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While America was based upon the very foundation of immigration, the problem is that immigration today is not what it meant to be 100 years ago.
The fact that people repeatedly beat their chests that "the first illegal immigrants were the Pilgrims!" is fucking asinine. For the Pilgrims to be illegal immigrants, they would have to be landing in an established nation with laws. I suppose one could argue that the Native Americans had laws - but they weren't a nation so much as a large series of regionalized clans who's laws changed with their borders. Yes, the pilgrims landed in America - but so did the goddamned Vikings many, many years before them. The problem with this immigration situation is that Bush wants it done *his* way. He wants to police our borders - yet calls the civilians who were doing border patrol as "vigilantes". It will boil down to this - either the GOP gets its way and loses all of its power when its voted out or the GOP gives ground and we lose immigration reform. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Le hah There is even some people who Claim the chineese landed in America before the vikings - what does this prove - Some people may have come over here from Europe to escape tyranny and get freedoms - But in the End Greed is what the main cause became - The rulers of the countries pushed to explore and take over land for Money and Power nothing more, And in doing this they nearly wiped a Race of people off the planet, of which only Mutts like me Exist, that carry any of the blood. This is all in the past though while interesting I dont let that affect how i think. I agree with the guest worker program, and the ideas put forth about that.
Skexis Really DUDE. That is how i feel, I feel the obligation to educate all your fellow man is more important thatn whording wealth, Although this notion seems completely opposed to the every day AMericano Ideals. A better Educated society in whole would make class differences less important, and interactions with other educated people more worth while, than say Buying 10 cars - or throwing away money by having 15 TVs in a house that you cant possibly watch. FELIPE NO |
I don't see how this is a major problem though. Ancient people crossed the landbridge that spanned from Russia to Alaska in whats assumed to be hunting parties while tracking wild animals. It's in Man's nature to spread out; I don't think thats greed so much as instinct. We don't refer to an increasing amount of poor people as "greed", do we?
I don't decry the Spanish or the Danes for doing what they did because that was a long, long time ago and the people who did it are long dead. I'm not foolish enough to try and sued the countries for their sins against my forefathers. Your being a mutt doesn't mean shit to me because theres always someone that has it worse than you. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
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Come on man, you know better than that. Most of these people are hard working, and I haven't seen any data that shows that these people are any more than simple, low-wage workers. And how are they going to find out who is a legal and an illegal immigrant? Aproach wet-backs and chinks for their papers? Ever heard of anything that against the spirit of this nation anymore than that? There's nowhere I can't reach. |
We're a nation of laws and crimes need to be punished. If anything, our justice system is too gimp-wristed as is. Punishment should be severe and inflict pain against the criminal to dissuade him against further acts of criminality. Who are we to deny that perfect mechanisim - learning through pain - that evolution put into us all those ages ago? While I don't agree with the "they take away our jobs" mentality so many people have, illegal immigration has bled our health services and has repeatedly attempted to ratify their "right" to vote, which is just outlandish in its stupidity. The fact remains this - its called "Illegal Immigration" because its illegal. You cannot quantify any sort of arguement in favor of illegal immigration without saying you want to break Federal laws. You are in the wrong, you are the problem. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
So you want to DEPORT 12 million people?
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I fail to see how not punishing people who know they've commited a crime has any value whatsoever.
I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
What gets me is the fact that these illegal immigrants can get away with protesting/marching in a nation that they came to and live in illegally anyway. I suppose INS has their collective thumbs up their collective asses at the moment?
I even read something in today's newspaper about a local march. Apparently their was trouble with the immigrants getting permits to protest, so the police bent the rules to give them the proper authorization. OMGWTF. I could go on and on about how capitalism is to blame, and how a society with an economy maintained by illegal workers will eventually implode upon itself due to the rapid expansion and lack of a sufficently paid consumer base to support it all...but I'm a little too tired to even bother. FELIPE NO |
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I'm for illegal immigrants. They help us far more than they hurt us. Did you guys know that illegal immigrants pump 463 billion dollars into Social Security every year? They do this to elude authorities into making them think they are legal. Well, they can't get any money out of the system because they're NOT legal. Take that away from the economy and it will be another leg that will fall from SS. The way I see it, immigration laws have always been racist in this country. The proposed solutions are a lose-lose situation. These people should not be criminalized. How ya doing, buddy? |
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I read this on another board and thought it an interesting argument against the protesting:
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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
And the fact remains that *legal* immigrants would better than illegal ones. I fail to see how ignoring illegal immigration is a better solution than reforming legal immigration. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
Le Hah - Heres a sad fact for you, U are in No way more mutt than me YOUR WHITE, I am not, while i share European ancestry maybe half if that. Bottom line i dont agree with American laws regarding immigrants, and its people who foster these elite ideas who will make it so man will never achieve a state of peace or anything for that matter, Your like American Fundamentalists. I mean u seem very smart, i respect some of your ideas while i dont agree with most but i respect them. But please dont make assumptions that Irish are a Race because if u look it up Clearly Irish has never been considered anything but white(Excluding Early America, and this is until they where accepted)Race is way to deep to get into here it would take many pages but i can Guarantee Irish is not a race They are part of the White Population( by the way my last name is McDevitt) so i am indeed part Irish decent i even have a wierd Red beard when it grows out with black hair kinda odd but anyways. And also dont compare the Greed of European Kings and Queens with people that where hunters and gatherers that followed their food supply. Although Greed is not exclusive to Europeans as u can See the Aztecs and Incas where not the Nicest of people.
Skexis - Your right in our society it will be unlikely to be done. That doesnt mean it shouldnt be done. Problem is people would never part with thier wealth - People honestly believe they are entitled to more than others - Granted a Doctor should not make the same wage as a Janitor, But shouldnt there be a line where one says i Have way too much maybe it would be better spent on others. Maybe a better educated soceity would have less crime and spend less time fighting over things like, religions, BORDERS, Race, and a bunch of other things. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Fact remains - I'm black Irish. I have spanish blood in me somewhere because some sailor raped some fair-haired woman back in the year 700. I'm more of a mutt than you will ever be because I'm white. See - when you're black, you're not black - you're from Nigeria. But when you're white, you're only white - you're not English or Lithueanian or Norweigan. You're seen as white. Validation of a white man's heritage is looked down upon just because of the suffering of Africans over 100 years ago. Racism is backwards compatible.
Answer me this: Why is it so hard to come to America legally? Why do you have to go out of your way to do it illegally, knowing you're doing it illegally and then think you reserve the right to bitch? I'm sorry but the fact that you run a fruit stand does not reserve you the right to throw rotten produce at people who refuse to buy it.
Your sentiments echo Richard Wagner - whos antisemetic statements are well known. "A person without a country cannot write music" was what he said about Jews with instruments. And now you're telling me I'm "only white"? You are the lowest of the low - a contradiction who says he wants equal rights when all you want is special treatment. I'll spit in your fucking face if we ever meet. You're not even worth punching. Your prattle about "only white" only succeeds in showing that you don't know shit about the subject. You're flapping your arms, screaming over an issue that you fail to research. FELIPE NO
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As for your race argument... what are they listed where you are from? Caucasian... Latin... Asian... Polynesian... etc. I don't see a breakdown of all the Asian races... nor of the Latino races... nor any other races. In another statement made yesterday I think you made mention of the excesses of Americans that are "Buying 10 cars - or throwing away money by having 15 TVs in a house that you can’t possibly watch"... exactly where in the hell are you seeing this taking place? I live in the Southern California and I sure as hell don't see people with ten cars... or fifteen televisions... hell, those of us living out here are just trying to make it from week to week. So step off your pedestal of grandeur and open your eyes to the reality and not some fabrication of yours. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
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Meanwhile they're also putting a strain on the health care system, their presence on the road drives up insurance premiums, their put additional strain on the public school systems, and so on. It's hardly a simple matter of money into Social Security = immigrants paying their way - even if we broadly assume a significant percentage of those 12 million illegals even ARE paying into SS. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
God u take being white personal dont you - i didnt decide this look it up. I agree Irish had diffirent culture, values and such this does not make them a different race. Look up the Difference in Ethnicity, Race, Nationality, and you will cee what i mean. I am no Racist but your statement about me being a nigger sure makes u seem like a straight up Rainbow coalition Rep. But according to Early American Laws about the one Drop Rule anyone with one drop of african Ancestry was black, So Therefore according to DNA results i think it was about 30% of Americans who claim to be white had about 5% african blood, So therefore there is a large amount of us So called mutt mongrel niggers out there. Anyways man Honestly Race and Ethnicity and Ancestry and all that was a big issue i had when i was young and i did lots of research into it and am still fond of reading new developments about it, and new scientists ideas, and theories. I really dont want enemies and i didnt suspect u to get so violent - but in all honestly While Irish people do exhibit differences in culture, they are lumped into the White Race this no way diminishes the differences they have ( im fond of the music from Ireland actually), Maybe i said that in a wrong way before, so for that im sorry.
Niekon - Where do i cee this Southern California is one of the places. I live in the DC Metro Area I can name numerous places i CEE it, How about langley highschool where children drive Bentleys to school. Or the houses ive worked on Where u can cee TV's in every room. One other place to cee it is Look at American Diets. About your statement on RACE. U should know there is no such thing as Latino Races ( latino is a subgroup often defined as a race, but it has many mixed ancestry ) In the Latino community it is better broken down into Nationalities, but even here u get problems because someone From Lebanon born in Mexico is now a Mexican - but is he Latino? - Is he hispanic ? Or his he Shakiras Brother? i dont know nobody has clearly defined these lines yet. Obviously Nationality wise he is mexican, Buth Ethnically he may not be, His ancestry sure isnt Night Phoenix - U know what i was thinking the same thing Maybe Bush should start another Agency that would manage peoples Wealth Great Idea. Actually though,Your right thats where the problem arises people would have to know themselves when too much is too much. Ok to finish Lehah Sorry , U know i Agree with u about the WHite thing - White peopel are just lumped into one group, which is sad, Because alot of the diversity is unkown and there is alot. I dont really think this is the place to discuss Race though so ill leave it alone, maybe in another thread. And as far a immigration YES Its against the law - Should peopel be made Felons for Trying to Work In my opinion NO, Should the people already here be punished in My opinion NO - the government Shoudl make it easier for people to come here and work, and that is not easy - While it might be easy for some Rich person to come over and immigrate, some poor person without proper education would have a hard time trying to get into the country, thats why they risk their lives and pay thousands to come. How ya doing, buddy? |
You're really a lost cause. At first I wondered if you were one of those people who makes points but doesn't make use of any sort of grammar, but this just proves that you have no points and have no sort of grammar let alone spelling or punctuation. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously? "The internet told me so!" is about as lame as you can possibly get. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Igod82: What gives you the right to take something away from someone who worked hard for it and giving to some bottom scum piece of shit that just needs to kill themselves because they are good for nothing? You know what that is called? Communism... Guess what that makes you, a fucking commie.
So have you ever actually read what the definition of racist is? Webster's Unabridged Dictionary defines racism as the following: - The doctrine that certain races of mankind are naturally superior to others; program of racial discrimination based on this doctrine, as in the Nazi Germany. So Igod82 are you saying these people need special help because they are inferior? Because if they were equal to everyone else they wouldn't need extra help right? Remember those retarded kids in school, how they got special teachers and special classes? So are you saying that the minorities are like that retarded kid and that they need special help to do well? So what, does that make white people superior because we don’t get special rights to break the law and get away with no punishment? BTW it is "see" not "cee". Ever hear of spell check? LeHah: I think he was one of the short bus kids. I was speaking idiomatically. "In a somewhat related statement. Hugging fat people is soft and comfy. <3" - Jan "Jesus, Gumby. You just...came up with that off the top of your head?" - Alice |
Ok yea and you know everything Im sorry. I have read books and done lots of research on Race when i was younger im just now starting to read new theories on it. Also just because something is read on the internet doesnt make it wrong u can read books on websites - Show me how Irish people are a race and ill look into it, Which point did i make and said the internet told me so? Your just trying to discredit me because i said Irish are white, now i admit i said this in maybe a harsh way, but your gonna hate someone for that. Anyways Whatever If u want when i get a chance i can qoute u some stuff from books and from scientists that have researched it more than you or me that would clearly show IRISH people are not a Specific Race.
But u know maybe im wrong Irish people could have been dropped here by the hand of god and are destined to rule the universe - I know there was a white supermacist group i read about when i was in highschool that believed this, That had a pretty wierd interpretation of the bible also if i remember correctly.And yea my grammar sucks, I have never worked on it. And About immigration I have stated only Opinions Not Points, They are opinions u either Agree with them or u dont. A opinion is not a point nor a Fact nor does it have to be based on Fact. U can take it for what it is. And by the way alot of People with High IQ's Have poor Grammar and that - Just to let u know in 3rd Grade i was tested with a Reading level of someone with a 4 year degree from college, so i dont think my spelling has much to do with me proving anything - Fact is im not trying to i was stating opinions, and thats my point. Double Post: Gumby I can Spell Cee however i want its a old habit from a group i ran with when i was younger. I am a socialist your right - Yes i know what racist is i have lived it - No they dont need special help, but someone who is educated at a 3rd grade level will have a harder time getting into the country then a immagrant from a wealthy family and a college degree, y should the uneducated person not be able to come and work and let his children get what he never had? Y? Oh i forgot they are bottom scum sucking pieces of Shit. Y dont u join the military and beat up some Arabs, seems like that is what u want to do - Even better maybe u can get a job on the border and shoot some of my kin while they try to come work to support their families. 10 PTs for Children. I have a cousin i hate alot when u cee Aim for the Head his name is Yea u guessed it PEDRO How ya doing, buddy?
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