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[Movie] 24 Season 6 Discussion Thread
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Old Jan 17, 2007, 02:01 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 02:01 AM #26 of 410
1. I agree with Naz about all.

2. Yeah neck shot. And it looks like he is dead.

And three I am having problems getting into Wayne as President after Big Brown Bear did such a godly job. Maybe he will grow on me though. I dont know.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 02:23 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 12:23 AM #27 of 410
Manning confirmed dead. ;_;

Then again, they say Tony is deceased too, but we all know we're anticipating the return of Zombie Almeida and the quote of the season:

"TONY, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD!"
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Old Jan 17, 2007, 02:27 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 12:27 AM #28 of 410
Maybe Curtis will do something like President Keeler (way back when). You're pretty sure he's dead but out of respect for the character you'll never know either way.

I don't see him figuring back into things this season. Curtis was good, but not great, and while its sad to see him go, its nothing as sad as Edgar dying last season. ;_;

They're saying that Audrey might figure in to a couple episodes, depending on the schedule of Kim Raver. And frankly, we don't really need anymore Kim, unless its some sort of sweeps thing to draw in more viewers. Unnecessary, I know, but it can't hurt.

I'm waiting for new Palmer to make some real definite stands, as opposed to just picking between the two choices his main advisors seem to give him.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 02:41 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 12:41 AM #29 of 410
I must say that the 4th episode of Season 6 had some pretty insane moments.

Shit, I thought Jack would have shot Curtis's arm or something, but in the fucking throat?! Goddamn! I expected Curtis to have lived for a couple more episodes.

I didn't think they'd actually succeed in blowing up that nuke. The dad could have at least tried and tackled that guy instead of standing there yelling "NOOO!". Also, couldn't he have sabatoged the wirings or something with the device? I dunno, maybe snap a few wires or chips or even spitting on it or pour water on it to fry the circiuts?

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 04:31 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 01:31 AM #30 of 410
I'm a bit tired of the series unnecessarily killing good characters. I like the 'no one is safe except Jack' premise, but they've already more than proved their point. I don't know if the writers are doing this for shock value or they're too cheap to negotiate new contracts but DAMN! Did Jack actually have to kill Curtis? It could have easily been a non-fatal shot that put him out for a few episodes or even the entire season, but NOOO they have to kill him off. I'm not so much upset that Curtis was a good character that's no more, but that when you continue to be 'cutting edge' it gets a bit tiresome.
Yes, he did need to kill him. It was for the advancement of Jack's character. I agree will Rock about how the lead ups are leaking tension and surprise, but the one of the few things this season is shaping up to do spectacularly is push his character beyond the breaking point. Regarding themes covered and Jack's character, the first four hours have laid some very decent ground work for the rest of the season.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 05:01 AM #31 of 410
Wawow. Amazing. I couldn't watch when they aired it, I watched a few hours later. Explosive. 24 is not to be fucked with.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 05:41 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 10:41 AM #32 of 410
I've ignored all post above because I havent seen episode 4 yet, but my DVD came yesterday so I got to watch the first 3 hours.

Talk about current events, 2nd and 3rd hour have been pretty much keeping to the formula nothing really amazing, other than that I hope Jack has some flash backs.

Cool thing about the DVD is it comes with half of the fifth hour

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 06:50 AM #33 of 410
Curtis: I didn't see it coming. Sure, him having a problem with Assad was pretty apparent, but I just didn't see him actually going through with it until he almost did. Did Jack even have a clear shot to anything by his face or neck?

Bomb: In most shows, Curtis's death would've been enough. But not on 24. I knew the nuke would go off, that that strike team would fail, and I still couldn't believe it after it happened. I sat in shock. Perhaps this explosion helps explain why Jack will be more mobile in the movie.

Wayne: To be honest, I think he's dumber as President. Not to say he was wonderfully smart or level-headed in the past, but he seems less like himself now.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 08:51 AM #34 of 410
Honestly, I'm just not that sad to see Curtis go. He never had as much character development as someone like Tony (or even Edgar), so there wasn't that much for the audience to get attached to. The question is, will the producers bring in another black guy so there's continued diversity at CTU?

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 05:57 PM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 03:57 PM #35 of 410
I am not impressed at all with this season so far(and the last few seasons for that matter). 24 is starting to remind me of Pro Wrestling now. The same scenarios are rehashed in slightly different ways, with slightly different results. Episode 4 didn't impress me, because, for one, immediately you could tell Curtis would try to kill Assad, which I didn't really care about, but it haunted me the whole episode because it was so obvious. Also, The nuke going off at the end is a rehash of last season with the nuclear plant meltdown, only to realize there is going to be more of the exact same threat. I can go on and on with problems I see, but I won't bother them all or I will be here for hours. I really wish I could ignore it, but I just can't.

I hate all the characters except Jack, who I just don't care about any more, I hate the cliches and constant story rehashing. I hate the horrible fake accents. I hate that the writers almost ignore that the fact that the story is supposed to be in real time. I hate that Jack Bauer has to Shave and get a Haircut 5 minutes after he comes back from China only because in less then an hour later, he is a be tortured and executed by terrorists(sorry, I just had to throw that in). I think it would have been very interesting(and realistic) if he kept the beard and long hair for the entire season.

I really think that 24 needs to take a 1 or 2 year hiatus, so the writers can really come up with a really unique, compelling, and more realistic season(that doesn't involve any more nuclear weapons...BORING). I can imagine it is extremely hard to come out with 24 episodes of show every single year, so why not take a break and make it good, and them come back.

Season 1 was such a great season for many reasons, the main one being that creators were probably planning the show for years, so they actually had time to write 24 great unique, compelling, and realistic episodes. Season 2 was great too, because that was probably thought about for years too. Since then, downhill, like a rushed series of video games, where the developer has to put out a new one every year, with no time to polish the game and make it original.

A show on HBO called The Wire took a 2 year hiatus and this last season every minute of every show, my eyes were glued to screen, because it had such great writing, I was amazed. Not since Season 2 of 24 was I so engaged in a show.

Anyway, forgive my rant, 24 was, by far, my favorite show at one time, that's why it bothers me so much that the show just isn't very good any more. I will continue to watch though, because I have a lingering hope that maybe I will love it again.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 07:18 PM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 06:18 PM #36 of 410
Am I the only guy who wasn't upset when Edgar died? I thought he powertripped way too much when he got above Chloe >_<

Also, don't count on flashbacks. This acts in real-time, and I doubt they would allow Jack to stare at nothing whilst wide-eyed for about five minutes =p

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 08:18 PM Local time: Jan 18, 2007, 01:18 AM #37 of 410

I hate all the characters except Jack, who I just don't care about any more, I hate the cliches and constant story rehashing. I hate the horrible fake accents. I hate that the writers almost ignore that the fact that the story is supposed to be in real time. I hate that Jack Bauer has to Shave and get a Haircut 5 minutes after he comes back from China only because in less then an hour later, he is a be tortured and executed by terrorists(sorry, I just had to throw that in). I think it would have been very interesting(and realistic) if he kept the beard and long hair for the entire season.

I really think that 24 needs to take a 1 or 2 year hiatus, so the writers can really come up with a really unique, compelling, and more realistic season(that doesn't involve any more nuclear weapons...BORING).
A show on HBO called The Wire took a 2 year hiatus and this last season every minute of every show, my eyes were glued to screen, because it had such great writing, I was amazed. Not since Season 2 of 24 was I so engaged in a show.
Hasnt there already been a nuke go off back in season 3 or something, the one when mason flies the plane whilst he is dieing of radiation poisoning.

24 does rehash alot of things, like victims killing their captors, remember i think in season 2 or 3 one of the agents wife was brought into ctu only to then shoot the bad guy. Then the same happened in season 5 with the underaged girl. We will have to see what happens to CTU next episode will they have to lock themselves in the situation room again, only to realize someone left a window open.

Anyway, you can see why they went for the nuke, whats more dangerous than a nuke?!? i mean they've had the killer virus, nerve gas, next they could have anti-matter lol

I agree with you, Jack could of done with a whole new look. I sad Curtis died (wait a sec, Cloe said Jack killed curtis, but no one actually said Curtis is dead, i mean they would of announced that field officer Curtis was killed in action or something), simply because he never had any decent roles, just keeps getting shot.

You know what I think it would be pretty interesting if all the nukes go off, Jack actually fails to save the day. But then day 7 can be all about american being taken over by terrorist with them all in the white house etc. Better stop ranting now lol

Ah no flash back would be good, I thought they were about to do one in the first hour when he was riding in the car staring out of the window.


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Old Jan 17, 2007, 08:56 PM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 06:56 PM #38 of 410
Anyway, you can see why they went for the nuke, whats more dangerous than a nuke?!? i mean they've had the killer virus, nerve gas, next they could have anti-matter lol"
The best season was the 1st season, there was no nuke and no real high scale terrorist threat for that matter. The plot was Jack Bauer's wife and daughter are kidnapped by a terrorist group plotting to kill presidential candidate David Palmer. That's it... the threat was really only against 3 people, yet it was the most compelling season. Season 2 had a nuke, but it was the first time, and but the season was really mainly about stopping a war from happening and it was a great season because it had good writing and characters I cared about. Since then, seasons 4, 5, and now 6, all have nuclear threats. WHO CARES ABOUT NUKES? It's not a numbers game, a great season isn't determined about how many people can potentially die. I cared much much more about if someone was going to successfully kill David Palmer in Season 1 than I cared about a million people dieing in a Nuclear meltdown in Season 5.

When Jack Bauer was captured by the Chinese at the end of last season, I was really hoping this season would just be about Jack having to escape from the Chinese. Instead, Jack Bauer has to save millions of Americans... again.

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You know what I think it would be pretty interesting if all the nukes go off, Jack actually fails to save the day. But then day 7 can be all about american being taken over by terrorist with them all in the white house etc. Better stop ranting now lol
That would be far more interesting than Jack saving America from Nukes... again.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 09:03 PM #39 of 410
Since then, seasons 4, 5, and now 6, all have nuclear threats.
OBJECTION.

There are no nukes in Season 5. Period.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 09:06 PM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 07:06 PM #40 of 410
Nevermind, still, 3 is too many.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 11:06 PM #41 of 410
I've actually thought a death threat/attack on the President or, moreso, on Washington would make for an interesting season.

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Old Jan 17, 2007, 11:31 PM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 11:31 PM #42 of 410
The reason they keep using nukes is because obviously, that's the most devastating blow you can strike. Realistically, chemical and biological weapons are too specialist of a weapon and require far too much care not to kill yourself with the shit.

Whereas when nukes go off everybody on the globe collectively deficates themselves.

This season is more about Jack stopping nukes - it's the ability of terrorists to strike with impunity with small-scale attacks that short of completely suspending civil liberties and locking everyone down, you can't stop. It paints a picture of America under seige by its enemies and what it's government is willing and able to do to make it stop.

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 12:18 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 11:18 PM #43 of 410
Cool thing about the DVD is it comes with half of the fifth hour
Actually, it's only the first 12 minutes. I thought the best part was that it came with a $10 off coupon for any other season (especially since I only paid $9 for the DVD).

The question is, will the producers bring in another black guy so there's continued diversity at CTU?
Is the Muslim and the Irishman not diverse enough for you?

Season 1 was such a great season for many reasons, the main one being that creators were probably planning the show for years, so they actually had time to write 24 great unique, compelling, and realistic episodes. Season 2 was great too, because that was probably thought about for years too. Since then, downhill, like a rushed series of video games, where the developer has to put out a new one every year, with no time to polish the game and make it original.
Actually, they weren't planning the show for years. Maybe about a year, at the most. Before 24, they were still working on La Femme Nikita, which ran until 2001 (the same year 24 started). And just in general (listen to the DVD commentaries, and interviews and stuff), they've always said that they don't plan things out that far in advance, and mainly write as they go.

So to say that they even had Season 2 thought about for years was definitely way off. They didn't even know if Season 1 would get picked up for the whole season, so why start planning Season 2? And when you look at it, they had more time between the later seasons since they actually had breaks between them, unlike when 24 was scheduled like a regular show (starting in September, instead of in January like it is now).

I agree with you that Season 1 is the best season, so I'm not against you or anything, but to give you my honest opinion, I just think maybe you're disillusioned with the show or something. I mean, admittedly, some of the plots are starting to wear a little thin, but what long-running show hasn't experienced that? The way you talk about it though, you make it seem like the show has had some massive decline in quality, which it really hasn't. That's just my opinion, though.

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 01:05 AM Local time: Jan 18, 2007, 12:05 AM #44 of 410
RockgamerXIII pretty summed up my impressions on episode 4. The Manning thing was kinda expected with the way they were leading towards it, but happend a little earlier than I was expecting. The detonating the nuke thing would have been great if I didn't read into the hype built up by everyone else, ahh my own fault. Actually to be honest, if no one had said it was a shocker, I would have thought that the detonation would be prevented or the father doing something courageous to stop it. Still a pretty good surprise, yet another blow to Jack's unstable mental state. Haha, and Wayne just pretty much lays down on all fours after that. Can't wait till next episode!

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 01:18 AM Local time: Jan 17, 2007, 11:18 PM #45 of 410
Actually, they weren't planning the show for years. Maybe about a year, at the most. Before 24, they were still working on La Femme Nikita, which ran until 2001 (the same year 24 started). And just in general (listen to the DVD commentaries, and interviews and stuff), they've always said that they don't plan things out that far in advance, and mainly write as they go.

So to say that they even had Season 2 thought about for years was definitely way off. They didn't even know if Season 1 would get picked up for the whole season, so why start planning Season 2? And when you look at it, they had more time between the later seasons since they actually had breaks between them, unlike when 24 was scheduled like a regular show (starting in September, instead of in January like it is now).

I agree with you that Season 1 is the best season, so I'm not against you or anything, but to give you my honest opinion, I just think maybe you're disillusioned with the show or something. I mean, admittedly, some of the plots are starting to wear a little thin, but what long-running show hasn't experienced that? The way you talk about it though, you make it seem like the show has had some massive decline in quality, which it really hasn't. That's just my opinion, though.
Look, I'm not certain about it, but what I mean when I said they were thinking about the show for years, was that maybe the creators, even while making La Femme Nikita, or even long before that, had an idea in their mind, "Won't it be great if we made a show about a government agent who had his family kidnapped?..." and over several years, thought about different ideas, scenarios, etc., long before they even decided to make the show maybe having enough ideas for a couple seasons over the years. And when it came time to actually write the show, they already had these great unique ideas, and didn't have to quickly come up with something. It seems obvious to me, that they used all of their good ideas first, and now they are just quickly coming up with ideas. Some new ideas are good, but a ton are bad.

Yes, to me, I do see a massive decline in quality. The writing is very bad compared to the first couple of seasons in my opinion. The ideas are hashed way too much, most of the surprises don't really shock me anymore, cliche after cliche, 95% of the characters are lame and don't care about any of them at all, etc. I haven't watched the first 2 seasons in a couple years, so maybe the show has always been like this, and just didn't see it(I doubt that). Maybe I will have to get back and watch them again. But I definitely see many problems now, as with the last couple seasons too.

I started watching 24 at the very end of Season 1, I didn't really know what was going on, so it didn't know how great it was. When Season 2 started, I watched from the beginning, and I remember being blown away. So I bought Season 1 on DVD and was even more blown away by Season 1. I can tell you now, if I had started watching at season 3(which was okay), 4, 5, or 6, I would not have been blown away. So I do definitely see a decline in quality.

I don't watch a whole lot of different shows, but one show I watch that have been around as long as 24 is The Shield. That show has always been consistently great, although not perfect. But the difference is, there are only 12-13 episode per season of The Shield, and there are 24 episodes per season of 24, so I can definitely see it has to be much harder to write double the amount of episodes in the same or probably shorter amount of time. That's why I say they should take a year off, and take the time to write a great season instead of having to rush everything.

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 08:44 AM Local time: Jan 18, 2007, 01:44 PM #46 of 410
I thought the premiere was great, especially the bomb detonation, which was a real shock to me. I had heard it was the best episode of 24 ever, but couldn't think of what could happen to make people say that, well, now I know. Although I knew Curtis was going to die, I thought the way he died was sad, especially his expression, although I didn't really like his character, and he felt a bit pointless to me. As other people have mentioned I didn't like the way Curtis has been pretty lifeless for the last couple of seasons, but the episode he's going to die in he's suddenly got character, I was a bit disappointed with this.
I do however think back to Season 1, and think about how different it is to this season. Although the bomb detonation was a major shock, I just couldn't help thinking that it was a bad idea, it just seemed a bit ... Stupid. Anyway, it still remains my favourite ever show, and I will continue to watch (unless it ends up like Lost).
My list of favourite seasons, from favourite to least favourite is :

Season 1 (fantastic plot, and it was overall just ... great!)
Season 5
Season 6 (maybe)
Season 3
Season 2
Season 4 (bored the hell out of me, but Mandy made the end worthwhile)

What about everyone else?

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Oh, and commenting on the music (this is Gamingforce after all). I have always been a fan of the 24 music, and I thought the end music after Curtis was killed was amazing, but when I did a bit of research I found that it was actually taken from the Crash score. I was very disappointed with this, because as far as I know Callery has always composed his own music, and has never used music from somewhere else, and although it was a great piece, I felt almost betrayed by him!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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Oh, and commenting on the music (this is Gamingforce after all). I have always been a fan of the 24 music, and I thought the end music after Curtis was killed was amazing, but when I did a bit of research I found that it was actually taken from the Crash score. I was very disappointed with this, because as far as I know Callery has always composed his own music, and has never used music from somewhere else, and although it was a great piece, I felt almost betrayed by him!
Ah thought it sounded familar lol, didnt like the music in season 5 so I was hoping season 6 would be better, I don't mind if he uses or remakes movie scores as long as it fitting and not over the top violins and trumpets.

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 03:05 PM #48 of 410
I agree with Enter User Name.

I see some real problems with 24 now. Season 6 has started off on the wrong foot.

The writers had a TON of possibilities after Season 5 and they flushed them all down the toilet to just go back to the same old cliched plots.

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-Just basically erased the whole China storyline. This could have made for an entire season of saving Jack from prison! Jack doesn't even have a scar on his face (would have been badass), instead he has some lame fake-looking acid hand and some scars on his back that you'll never see again.

-Wayne Palmer is president and is a spineless wimp. What. The. Fuck. How the fuck did he become president!? He certainly doesn't even seem like he wants the position or is qualified in the least! He doubts Jack, too! Fucking Logan was better than this guy! AND WAYNE USED TO BE A (moderately) GOOD CHARACTER!

-Again, why does the president only deal with 1 or 2 personal advisers? Where is his staff? I'd hate to think that all these decisions are being made without input from more people.

-Bad taste in my mouth from CTU and Wayne selling Jack out SEVERAL times during the first few hours and having the fucking audacity to NOT LISTEN TO HIM when he asked to call off the air strike.

-24 cliche to have an unsuspecting civilian family get involved and fuck shit up.

-Out of character for Curtis to act the way he did.

-I HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE, HATE Morris and Milo.

-Chloe isn't hot, stop trying to make her the new "24 CTU hottie." She's nerdy and funny, but she has the face of a frustrated bulldog.

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 03:23 PM Local time: Jan 18, 2007, 09:23 PM #49 of 410
I think Chloe's kinda hot...


And I like Morris but that might be the English thing.

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Old Jan 18, 2007, 04:03 PM Local time: Jan 18, 2007, 03:03 PM #50 of 410
No worries, Jazz. Half the characters you don't like will probably be dead by mid-season =p However, it'll take 'till Season 7 before the timely CTU personnel wipe via terrorist attack. Or so one would THINK!

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