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View Poll Results: Guns Guns Guns | |||
Rifles? | 10 | 20.00% | |
Shotguns? | 2 | 4.00% | |
Pistols? | 12 | 24.00% | |
One or more of the above! | 26 | 52.00% | |
Voters: 50. You may not vote on this poll |
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A person who breaks into your home while you're there isn't after your stuff. If that's what he was after, he'd scope out your house and wait until you left, then break in.
I think that any rational person can safely assume that if a person invades your home while you're obviously at home, they're there to do harm to the people inside, not to steal your DVD player. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I was speaking idiomatically.
Tuco: God is on our side, he hates the Yankees.
Man With No Name: God is not on our side because he also hates idiots. |
Regressing Since 1988 |
What I meant to say is that he's right! And some people are just plain stupid. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Gumby, I'm an Orygun resident as well... I live in Beaverton...
Illegal wasn't the right way to word it... The problem is that if I get caught with my handgun on college grounds, I get exspelled(spelling?). It's not really a "legal" issue, but an issue with school policy... Reading this thread is alot of fun, because it's easy to tell who has real world gun experiance, and who learned everything they know from movies and counter-strike... Also, I forgot to mention what guns I want in my last post... I have a pretty long list: M1 Carbine in .30 M1 Carbine TT33 Tokarev in 7.62X25 Colt M1911 in .38 Super Remington 870 in 12ga Krag in .30-40 Krag Ruger M77 in .280 Remington Another Makarov, I'd convert it to .32 NAA Another Winchester Model 94, this time in .444 Marlin There are more, but these are the ones I'm most interested in at the moment... Edited to add: Almost forgot the pics! First one is a pic of my 2 carry pistols, Beretta .25 on the left, Makarov 9X18 on right: Second one is me with my beat-up Winchester, taken durring a hunting trip about 2 years ago: FELIPE NO
Last edited by David4516; Mar 23, 2006 at 02:07 AM.
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I live in Canada, a sane and sensible country where not just any idiot can arm himself for any old reason.
You forgot to add the options "Nothing" and "Firearms are illegal/uncommon in my country". Oops. So I won't vote for now. Oh, it'd be nice to add "Other weapon (specify)" as an option too. Myself, I have a longbow. It's a Martin "Stick" which draws 40# @ 28". If I'm not mistaken, that's just barely legal for deer hunting (37#, I think... ?). I'd love to collect bows, if only I had the money. I'd like to have at least one of each of the following styles:
And just for sh*ts and giggles, one of these days I'd like to make an atlatl with a friend of mine who does a lot of bowcrafting and fletching and has made one himself. From the Wikipedia article on the atlatl: Spoiler:
"Primitive" weapons are no joke. You know, firearms weren't created and used in the beginning because they were any better than longbows/crossbows in the first place. It's only because they require much less training to use. I'd dare say that in the right hands, an English longbow is more deadly than any firearm made up until the 19th century, keeping in mind that firearms were invented around the 15th century!!! What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
Last edited by ArrowHead; Mar 23, 2006 at 03:07 AM.
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Carob Nut |
Gumby, I just read that you'd take a Berretta over a Glock... are you insane? They are pieces of metal and plastic glued together with a wholesome helping of feces... No really... they blow ass.
Glocks are pertiful. Our police here use .40 Glocks, ever since their Berrettas were discovered to be... less than reliable when in need. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Glocks are even crappier than berettas. Not that I would ever buy a Beretta anyway. They're ladies' guns! Gimme something that takes a standard .223 round. Doesn't seem all that intimidating until you see what a good .223 pistol can do. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Oh shit. Busted. Yes, I'm a raging serial rapist.
Also...
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Carob Nut |
Yup arrow, you're right, I wouldn't.
I didn't spend 4 years of my life shooting guns for a living. I surrender my soul to you. I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
You said it yourself - "People with drug addictions will do pretty much anything to get money/drugs, rational or often time not."
How can you be sure that a person strung out on drugs is going to have the mental capacity to know when they've gone too far? I highly doubt that a person flying on PCP is going to bust in my door and then politely say, "Excuse me, ma'am. Would you be so kind as to direct me to your valuables? I'll just relieve you of a few and then I'll be out of your hair." Also, I have children to protect, and as I said before, I live out in the middle of the woods by myself (i.e. no husband at home). I'm not about to trust anything to chance. Ah, kids these days and their ideals. You're cracking me up, keener. Your arguments have been proven wrong time after time in this thread, yet you won't give up. Tell ya what...how about YOU forego having a gun in YOUR house and those of us who wish to take advantage of our consitutional rights can do so, hm? FELIPE NO
Last edited by Alice; Mar 23, 2006 at 12:20 PM.
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AliceNWondrland: Don't worry about keener, he seems to think that we can all just let anyone do what they want once they break into our homes and that the big bad man is really a nice person and won't doing any harm to the people who are inside.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? "In a somewhat related statement. Hugging fat people is soft and comfy. <3" - Jan "Jesus, Gumby. You just...came up with that off the top of your head?" - Alice |
HAHAHA how many people have you ever seen out in the middle of the woods high on PCP? If that number is above 0 I'm going to be shocked. Also, why would someone break into your home if they were already high on a drug? I think it would be when they've come down and are in a more sober state is when they would realized they have no money and that they 'need' to steal. If some guy high on some drug did break down your door and makes you think he wouldn't just shoot you and your kids before you even had a chance to get your gun. Being the loving mom that I'm sure you are, it's doubtful that you walk around with your loaded gun with you 24/7. amirite? What arguments have I made that have been proven wrong in this thread? The fact that you people live in areas where you THINK you need a gun to protect yourself, is your choice, and I've even said having a gun is fine. Like I said before, I just don't think they are as necessary as you think. EDIT - Here's a question for all you people that seem to think guns are needed for the protection of you and your family. How many of you have used your gun in self defense on your own property? Jam it back in, in the dark.
Last edited by andkeener; Mar 23, 2006 at 02:38 PM.
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Double Post:
There's nowhere I can't reach.
Last edited by ArrowHead; Mar 23, 2006 at 03:03 PM.
Reason: Automerged double post.
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Moving on... .223 Handgun? They exist, but are pretty rare. The .223 is a rifle round after all...
#1: Velocity #2: Weight #3: Diameter #4: Shape/Design (FMJ vs JHP for example)
Also, .357 is actually a larger diameter than 9mm by 0.002 of an inch (0.357 vs 0.355)
Lastly, on the Glock vs Beretta issue, I prefer Berettas. But it's really a matter of individual preferance. I don't like "plastic" guns, and even if I did I wouldn't like glocks because they're too "fat". I like single-stack pistols because they're thinner... If I were to get a "plastic" gun, it would probably be a Khar... This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Here in the lovely state of Washington it is illegal to drive without car insurance, that's why I have it. Having a gun is fine, I personally never said it was a bad idea, but I don't want one. And until it's state law to get one I see no reason for me to have one. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Carob Nut |
Damn son, I just keep shootin ftw left and right. Shit son, I'm not like Mike, I AM Mike. How ya doing, buddy? |
Care to elaborate either of these two statements, because your link means nothing to me, and I'd like to here about this situation in which your dad use his gun in self defence by a guy who was trying to steal his belongings. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Guns are used by criminals for threat and insurance. If you cooperate when you're being robbed or whatever, you won't get shot. I'd rather be robbed of $100, than pay $200 for a handgun and risk getting shot.
But I have heard a story from a friend who was in the military and someone in his squad tried out a .223 submachinegun. Like you, she didn't expect much kickback, but her arm actually got windmilled around almost backwards by the kickback, and her squad leader nearly caught a bullet in the head - got a real nice scrape across the side of his helmet. He beat her unconscious and she was RTU'ed that same day.
My point is, I'd rather defend my house with a bat or kitchen knife than barehanded. A gun isn't a viable option in a sane country. FELIPE NO |
Shot pellets (birdshot anyway) is unlikely to go thru walls, therefore it's the ideal gun for home protection. I can't argue your point about the bat being cheaper, but you can find decent guns at prices that won't bankrupt you...
And what about old people for example? A 70 year old isn't going to be able to protect themself with a bat, a gun really is the only option they have. Same goes for people with disabilitys... What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Carob Nut |
God this is what I missed about this forum... All these people who think that everything can be solved peacefully or with as little force/violence as possible.
I invite all of yall that fall into this category to read Starship Troopers (nothing like the movie and it's only about 200 pages... I read it in about 4-5 hours). There's nowhere I can't reach. |
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Last edited by ArrowHead; Mar 24, 2006 at 12:12 AM.
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About self defense on your own proporty...
Well, lets put it this way when your mom has two children at home that are 2 and 1. Your mom having only one hand due to birth defect. She had to rush into the closest, grab the shotgun, load it and cock it with one hand without any problems and wait for the intruder to bust down the door and just try it. Cause if he would have(He gave up trying to bust in), he would have been more then likely missing a leg or two cause trust me, I've seen my mom fire handguns and other things in target practice. She does very well for having one hand. That is the only time I know of, but even then, even now, I do feel much safer in my house with a gun or two. Hell, even hunting rifles will do the trick, or even a crossbow. My uncle who lives in upnorth wisconsin has used a crossbow for hunting and as well some other weaponary. He uses it even in self defense cause of the drunkards who go hunting, get drunk wander off and threaten people with the guns. Oh and if you want to go very primal, use a crossbow, that'll really get them then. A nice big bolt into the chest or anther body part. To me, there is no peace way to deal with someone breaking into the house armed or not. I'd still rather have the edge on the robber with an ambush, warning them and if they do not disarm, take out a leg or arm and then disarm them and if I must go farther then I will, simple as that. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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