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That's the problem, these people doing the stings aren't children. Yes, actual underage teens should be used, and the crime is committed when the suspect propositions the teen for sex, plain and simple. If there are no actual children involved, there is no crime.
Well, that's what the laws say, at least. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage |
They have to use actual minors, not just people who look like minors.
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Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage |
It's kinda like those sting cars they use against car thieves. Sure, the cops set the car up as a dummy for someone to try and take, but as far as the thief knows, it's a random car that's primed for the taking. Why should they be let off the hook because their plan backfired?
I was speaking idiomatically. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
The only reason it isn't entrapment is because the police aren't the ones doing the trapping. They go online, pretending to be underage, and actually go about luring these people into traps. While I'm sure some of these creeps deserve to go to prison, I can't say for sure that all of them do, especially given my own experience in the matter with my friend I spoke of earlier. Better to let a hundred guilty go free than to put away even one innocent . . . Who's to say that they would have ever propositioned a child if they weren't tempted to do so? The fact that it would have been entrapment if the police had done it themselves should be reason enough for concern. Besides, whether you agree with me or not (and I htink while most of America would agree with you, most of the world would probably agree with me), that's no excuse for a lurker spouting off his bigotry at me and his insults and such.
Still no excuse for a lurker to hurl flames at me. FELIPE NO
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
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The solution is that you love child porn. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Last time I watched one of those Dateline/60 Minutes/whatever shows regarding their sting operation to catch predators, like three out of four of the guys who showed up at the "meeting" were convicted sex offenders. Maybe anyone who is against these stings should THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND.
Jam it back in, in the dark. I didn't say I wouldn't go fishin' with the man.
All I'm sayin' is, if he comes near me, I'll put him in the wall. |
I'm gonna answer your points in reverse here.
So why not use actual children? As soon as the suspect propositions for sex, it's time for the bust.
Making blanket laws to "protect" groups of people that don't always need protecting just doesn't sit well with me.
There's nowhere I can't reach.
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
Last edited by PattyNBK; May 8, 2006 at 05:45 PM.
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Do you understand ethics? Double Post:
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The point I made earlier, if you bothered to even read the posts, was that I disagreed with arresting people based on what they thought they were doing, when based upon lies in and of themselves. That and, even though you were right about "asking the cop", you still haven't managed to dispute what I said about the action having to actually be a crime. I don't see how propositioning an adault pretending to be a minor could be a crime, and if it is, it's a "thought-based" crime. Oh, and your offensive language is really starting to piss me off, you arrogant piece of shit. How ya doing, buddy?
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage |
HELLO, it isn't like these stings are catching fine, upstanding good Americans. They're catching people who are INTERESTED IN SLEEPING WITH MINORS. If they go to a meeting setup by law enforcement, then that tells me with 100% certainty that given the opportunity, they would meet with an actual minor. I'm sorry but could you please go back to ffshrine.
I was speaking idiomatically. I didn't say I wouldn't go fishin' with the man.
All I'm sayin' is, if he comes near me, I'll put him in the wall. |
You haven't thought this out very far past your friend.
Double Post: oh christ
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Well when those convicted sex offenders could be 26-year-olds who got caught with 16-year-olds, then yeah, I'll defend them. I don't think it's right to make that a crime. Now a 40-year-old with a 10-year-old, that is a crime.
As for encouraging or discouraging sex, it's not that I think teens should be encouraged to have lots of sex, I just don't see any reason to discourage it, and I'm certainly against criminalizing it when we're talking about the 15-17 range. As for your stats, here you go: http://www.kff.org/youthhivstds/uplo...Fact-Sheet.pdf So it turns out that the number is actually 47% (just short of a majority) as of 2003, but when I entered high school in 1995, it was a majority. 47% is still pretty damn close to a majority, though, don't you think? This at least proves my point that there are plenty of sexually active teenagers. I don't see any reason to discourage sexual activity. Instead, I think a bigger effort should be made to encourage safe sex.
So you may see people interested in sleeping with minors, but there's a big difference between wanting to sleep with a 16-year-old minor versus wanting to sleep with a 10-year-old minor.
Honestly, I'd like to know the exact ages that are being portrayed. If we're talking 10-13, then fine, I would just drop it, but the thing is, the law in many states consider even 16 (and sometimes 17) to be too young, and I have a big problem with that.
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Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
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As for smoking, I don't like that at any age, and second-hand smoke is a killer, so I love seeing cities that ban smoking in public. That's a much better use of resources.
Jam it back in, in the dark.
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
Last edited by PattyNBK; May 8, 2006 at 06:28 PM.
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There's nowhere I can't reach. |
I'm not saying we should let 30-year-olds mess around with 13-year-olds, I'm saying we need to be more practical and logical in lawmaking. It all boils down to the ridiculous statutory rape laws, which vary from state to state even (which in and of itself is wrong in my opinion, as someone used to one age of consent could be arrested for not knowing the age of consent upon moving, and most normal people wouldn't). My problem is with blanket laws that will hit the 30/13 difference as hard as it will hit the 21/17 difference. How do we know the subjects of these stings are in the former group and not the latter? This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
Last edited by PattyNBK; May 8, 2006 at 06:37 PM.
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You are the dumbest nigger in South Africa. I tried but you kept being so dumb. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
I was speaking idiomatically. I didn't say I wouldn't go fishin' with the man.
All I'm sayin' is, if he comes near me, I'll put him in the wall. |
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
EDIT: Why is it I'm being attacked and flamed for having the opinion that, basically, our society needs to be more open about sexuality? FELIPE NO
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
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You have never grown out of being sixteen years old. Double Post:
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Jam it back in, in the dark. I didn't say I wouldn't go fishin' with the man.
All I'm sayin' is, if he comes near me, I'll put him in the wall. |
Also, you seem to think that you can argue whether a person comitted a crime or not, not based on any real law, but because you like the action and/or the person.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
What you claim I've been doing and what I've been doing are two very different things. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage |