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Pool's Closed, Due To Aids!
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Old Jul 11, 2007, 05:06 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 03:06 AM #1 of 10
Pool's Closed, Due To Aids!

Toddler banned from swimming pool due to being HIV-positive.

Honestly, I'd prefere having the brat banned too. There is no P in my ool, and I like to keep it that way.

That said, it doesn't take too much of a stretch of the imagination for said little kid to bust his head open on the nice concrete sides of the pool in some fashion, and start bleeding all over. Though I expect a hell of a firestorm over this.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 05:38 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 04:38 AM #2 of 10
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"We weren't sure if somebody could get the virus if the child upchucked on them or from blood or what," said Ken Zadnichek, the park's owner. "We didn't know what the risk was. That's why we asked for something from their doctor or the county health department."
Pretty typical. I mean, it was Alabama. They're still passing around as gospel truth that you can catch AIDS from kissing someone down here.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 06:35 AM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 06:35 AM #3 of 10
I think that is retarded. Aids is only passed through sharing of inner bodily fluids. Its a proven fact you can't get it from sweat and saliva. What are these people that worried about? I hate paranoid discriminates.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 06:47 AM #4 of 10
They're worried that the kid is FOUR and therefore apt to PISS in the pool or injure himself in some way therefore causing blood to come up. I mean, honestly. The things that the guy who made the call are bodily fluids such as blood and vomit. I mean, yes. The guy at the end is right, that simply swimming in a pool with someone is not going to give you the hivver, but it's a little kid. Piss.

Show me a kid that's never pissed in a pool (and that's an inner bodily fluid) and I'll show you a kid that has never been to one.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 07:54 AM #5 of 10
I like how they keep mentioning the fact that transmission is impossible through casual contact. It's a plausible scenario like others have mentioned that the AIDS kid hurts himself. It's also entirely plausible that some other kid does too. So you've got AIDS blood floating around in the same place that another perfectly innocent kid might have an open wound.

I remember when we had to learn first aid in high school there was this huge emphasis on rubber gloves, and never touching a wounded person with your bare hands, because who knows what you could get? (AIDS). So I think the manager's reaction was pretty much spot on. Hell, I wouldn't have even asked for a doctor's note. The chance that it could happen is non-zero, and I also doubt that it's significantly small enough to be ignored. When you consider the financial liability, not to mention the negative publicity when other people find out that AIDS was swimming in their pool, then yeah, screw the business of one family. Drops in a bucket compared to potential loss.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 12:45 PM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 10:45 AM #6 of 10
Isn't there enough chlorine in pools to kill Godzilla, though?

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 04:06 PM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 11:06 PM #7 of 10
The guy asked for a doctor note, it isn't like he said GTFO. Besides it is a privately owned business, he can 86 anyone he wants.

Isn't there enough chlorine in pools to kill Godzilla, though?
I'm not so sure it is so simple like that. When I was a child, I knew a kid who did a flip on the diving board and smashed his face up pretty good and got blood in the pool. They made everyone get out of the pool while they treated the water with a bunch of chemicals. We then had to wait for the chemicals to get back with in their acceptible levels before we could get back into the pool.

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Old Jul 11, 2007, 04:25 PM Local time: Jul 11, 2007, 02:25 PM #8 of 10
It's true that chlorine can inactivate the HIV virus. It's also true that organic matter (like blood) can inactivate chlorine, thus removing any protective effect it might have.

This is why when there's an accident where blood (or for that matter, feces) is released into the pool, the staff has to remove the organic matter the best they can and raise the chlorine levels, just to be safe.

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Old Jul 14, 2007, 11:14 PM Local time: Jul 14, 2007, 09:14 PM 1 #9 of 10
It's true that chlorine can inactivate the HIV virus. It's also true that organic matter (like blood) can inactivate chlorine, thus removing any protective effect it might have.

This is why when there's an accident where blood (or for that matter, feces) is released into the pool, the staff has to remove the organic matter the best they can and raise the chlorine levels, just to be safe.

Found this info at a website:

These chemicals will kill the HIV virus after soaking for 30 minutes.
• Glutaraldehyde 2%
• Rubbing alcohol 70%
• Polyvidone iodine 2%
• Surgical spirit 70%
Chlorine solution 0.5%
• Hydrogen peroxide 6%

http://tilz.tearfund.org/Publication...IDS+update.htm


Note that it takes a solution of 0.5% Chlorine approximately 30 minutes to kill the HIV virus.

Next:

There are two kinds of chlorine found in pool/spa water: free (able to destroy microorganisms) and combined (unable to destroy microorganisms). Public pools and spas should have a free residual chlorine level of a minimum of 1.0 parts per million (ppm) if cyanuric acid is not used, and 1.5 ppm if a cyanuric acid is used. There should always be an operable automatic chlorinator when the pool and/or spa is open. The automatic chlorinator can be adjusted to maintain a safe level of chlorine. Chlorine should not exceed 5.0 ppm.

http://www.co.el-dorado.ca.us/EMD/en.../pool_faq.html


A 0.5% solution of chlorine is much, much higher than the swimming pool level of 5 ppm (0.0005% solution). If it takes the former 30 minutes to fully disinfect HIV virus, how long do you think it'll take pool water?

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Old Jul 16, 2007, 09:13 PM Local time: Jul 16, 2007, 08:13 PM #10 of 10
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"They don't know near enough, especially that children are totally innocent and represent no danger to the public," she said.

Medical experts said the HIV virus is unable to spread through casual contact.
This is true. However, it's also true that HIV can be spread through body fluids, such as blood, urine, vomit, etc. This kid is innocent, but he may not know how his actions might affect others, and I frankly wouldn't want to put the welfare of all the pool-goers in the hands of the adoptive parents. I feel for them, because of course it isn't the kid's fault, and he won't understand why he's not allowed at the pool. However, this was the right decision, no matter how many people disagree.

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