[Tournament] 2007 MLB Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Considering he's rumored to have pitched in more strenuous situations, I'd only take that bet as an irony bet.

I remember reading that he pitched a 250 pitch game or something - which I still find hard to believe, but even so that would be horrid on an arm and shoulder.


And I like the new D-Backs uniform (as well as their color-swapped logo). The red from the pale blue makes it seem better in my mind...

And it even matches the Arizona Cardinals in terms of general color (though hopefully they won't do as bad once the season starts).

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Here's where I get really blown away by the whole Matsuzaka situation:

So, say the Sox sign him to a $60M/5yr deal, or $12M/yr, which is about what some analysts are suggesting they'll pay him (he is in his prime, anyway). Considering the Sox just chipped in $51M (we'll say it's $50M for math simplification), that means the Sox will really be paying $101M for a 5-year deal, or about $20M/yr for one guy. That's more than Manny gets paid (which I'm cool with; if Daisuke has any bit the work ethic of Ichiro that alone may pay for itself), and that's less than A-Rod gets and the same as Jeter and Giambi. Anyway, we'll see what happens.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Doesn't A-Rod only (only!) make around $13 million this year?

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If you break it down then probably, but over the span of the deal.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well Frank Thomas was picked up by the Blue Jays to be their DH - good pick up in my mind, they needed another big back to complement Vernon Wells.

Athletics might sign Barry Bonds as they're in need of a DH (since Thomas is now with the Jays) - I'm not so sure about this one.

Double Post:
Cubs signed Alfonso Soriano to an 8 year, 136 million dollar contract.

Article here.


Cubs are looking for a playoff berth this year as they resigned both Aramis Ramirez and Kerry Wood, while adding Mark DeRosa from the Rangers. Adding Soriano will help lots as he had an outstanding season last year.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Haha eat shit Jeter.

Also the 'stros got el Caballo for 100 mil. Who knows maybe the astros can be a good team for one whole season as opposed to having a good last two weeks and making the playoffs by the skin of their teeth.

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I've been busy recently, so I haven't been up to date with the latest trades, rumours and whatnot. I know about the Frank Thomas deal to the Jays, but has there been any word about Vernon Wells returning? Has he signed with another team? Or is a deal still in the making?

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Originally Posted by Fiddlegoof

I've been busy recently, so I haven't been up to date with the latest trades, rumours and whatnot. I know about the Frank Thomas deal to the Jays, but has there been any word about Vernon Wells returning? Has he signed with another team? Or is a deal still in the making?

Uh...Vernon Wells isn't a free agent according to Yahoo. However:

Originally Posted by Yahoo.com

Dec 4 The Chicago Tribune reports the Chicago White Sox have shown interest in trading for Toronto Blue Jays OF Vernon Wells, who will be a free agent following the 2007 season.

What I'm interested in is all the stuff surrounding Manny, and the possibility of a three team deal.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Some of the bigger deals have been Carlos Lee to the Astros for 6 years and 100 mil, The Cardinals resigned Carpenter for 50mil or somethin near that, and soriano went to the Cubs for like 136 mil.

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Apparently, the Pirates are now going after the highly coveted Trot Nixon. If we do manage to sign him, I can only see this turning out to be another "Jeremy Burnitz" kind of deal. Which, as you should know, is not what the Pirates need.

Fortunately, the Pirates also are going after Adam LaRoche, a young 1B who can hit for power. Hopefully we manage to get LaRoche, and maybe some more pitching talent, this off-season, while staying away from over-the-hill, overpriced players (like motherfucking Trot Nixon).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Hey, Trot's not over-the-hill.

The Sox got two of the guys they wanted (JD Drew and Julio Lugo from Red Sox West a.k.a. the Dodgers...hey Grady and Nomar!) and couldn't get rid of the one they don't. Ought to be another fun-filled first half of Manny being Manny!

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A lot of pitcher-related transactions recently:

Lilly to the Cubs, Schmidt to the Dodgers, Garcia traded to the Phillies, Maddux to the Padres, and Padilla resigned by the Rangers.

Not too many left, I don't think - Yankees and Red Soxs have their Japanese pitchers they need to get deals done with, Zito is still hanging around, and Pettite is looking to come back for the 2007 season.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Bonds is a Giant again.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

10 years ago, people were in an uproar at Albert Belle getting $55 million over 5 years. Today, when one of the most below-average starting pitchers on the market gets that same exact deal...It's just sad. I know KC has trouble attracting any talent worth a damn, but come on: Gil Meche isn't worth a damn. Or at least he's not an $11 million per year player.

I don't want to see what Zito goes for now...

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Originally Posted by GoldfishX

10 years ago, people were in an uproar at Albert Belle getting $55 million over 5 years. Today, when one of the most below-average starting pitchers on the market gets that same exact deal...It's just sad. I know KC has trouble attracting any talent worth a damn, but come on: Gil Meche isn't worth a damn. Or at least he's not an $11 million per year player.

I don't want to see what Zito goes for now...

Meche's 11 Million per year is ridiculous.


This is actually really bad for the Red Sox. They're trying to get a deal done with Matsuzaka, with Matsuzaka's agent looking around 15 million per year and the Red Soxs hoping for around 7-8 million per year (this was news from a while ago).

With Meche, who isn't worth 55 million over 5 years, getting as much money as he is, Matsuzaka's agent (Scott Boras, I believe) will be looking to reap in the dough. Matsuzaka WAS the MVP of the WBC, while also being 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA and 200 SOs. Meche was what, 11-8 with an ERA over 4.

Yes, it is the Majors Leagues versus the Japanese league, but nevertheless 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA is outstanding.

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They'll (Red Sox and Matsu) get it done.

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Yeah, that is rediculous that Gil Meche can get that kind of money, but with really only one big pitcher (Zito) left in the market, mediocre pitchers are going to get more money. Especially from a team like the Royals, who probably don't have a pitcher better than Meche. And haven't had one for the past 5 years.

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Looks like the Sox are going to strike out on Daisuke.

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Looks like the Sox are going to strike out on Daisuke.

That reallly sucks for the Sox in more than one way.

On the other side, Yankees signed Andy Pettite, which should excite Yankees fans (like me).

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Another aging past his prime pitcher getting paid too much money for the Yankees. Keep up the good work you jackasses.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Bah. I like Pettite...


Anyway, Red Sox are doing a final push toward Matsuzaka. Though I finally found out how much more the Red Sox spent than the Yankees. $51 million to the Yankees $36 million. Jesus.

Either way though, I think Matsuzaka will sign. He wants to play in the leagues, Boras just wants more commission, that's all.



Oh, and Gagne was signed by the Rangers. If I remember right, the Rangers had reliever issues. Though Gagne has had shoulder/arm issues, so we'll see where this goes.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

How much longer do you think Bonds will play? He's what? Forty something? He can hardly jump or run anymore, let alone hit home runs. Is he just going to stay in until he gets the home run record?

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Originally Posted by Fiddlegoof

How much longer do you think Bonds will play? He's what? Forty something? He can hardly jump or run anymore, let alone hit home runs. Is he just going to stay in until he gets the home run record?

I think that Bonds will play until he beats the record. I hope he'll choose to step down before that happens, but I know he won't.

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Originally Posted by Fiddlegoof

How much longer do you think Bonds will play? He's what? Forty something? He can hardly jump or run anymore, let alone hit home runs. Is he just going to stay in until he gets the home run record?

Probably. Unless he gets injured or his body shuts down (he weakens and can't hit homeruns). Supposedly this should be the last season he plays. He's suppose to get the home run record this year, barring injury. Either of which would probably end his career, since the satisfaction of getting the record would be enough or getting injured once again would stop him from getting on the field again.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I'm wondering what Barry's motivation is here. As Fiddlegoof mentioned, the man barely has any defensive capability left, and he probably has to condition himself near to death to keep himself in good enough condition to run the bases. He should've gone to the American League to DH (I can't imagine him having a personal vendetta against the DH, like it's an impure baseball thing...they have him do it in interleague games), playing for Oakland and just get his 22 homeruns that way.

In other news, Interleague turns 10 this year. Success or failure? For me it's a success, but what I'd like is for some teams in different leagues to play each other each year no matter what (Boston v. Mets or Braves or Marlins thanks Theo) instead of the rotating divisional schedule they have now and since 2001 (AL East vs. NL West this year? FAGS).

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