Gang raped by 7 men? That's 200 lashes

There's a law in Sharia that says that thou shalt not talk to the media, for if thou does, thou shalt have twice as much punishment rained down on thee from the heavens and thou's bloodline will be impure for three generations hence?

Islam is thorough, nigga.

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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it made it sound as though she was being punished because she talked to the media about the case. Isn't there some similar law in the US... what happens in the court room stays in the court room until the trial's end?

Its also 3 in the morning and I didn't absorb the end, but that's what it sounds like to me. Dont get me wrong... either way... thats fucked up.

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Originally Posted by neus

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Shut up.

For pointing out a fact that made the article look more fucked than it was?

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Oh right, the rapists were brought to justice, that makes the victim being whipped by her government not so bad.

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Seeing you guys froth is almost as laughable as this farce of a case.

Maybe we'll get some worthwhile discussion if we imagine how Phoenix Wright would have handled it.

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Oh right, the rapists were brought to justice, that makes the victim being whipped by her government not so bad.

Did I say that it's fair? No

I said that the CNN article makes it look like the rapists got away free from any punishment what so ever, making us view their "justice" system to be so fucked up that it's pretty much advertising itself to the worlds rapists to come and live there, and it just more propaganda against the Islam state. Don't get me wrong, I think such religions where such irrational things are spouted as the way to God's salvation are fucking stupid (pretty much all religions out there), but it doesn't mean such blatant and stupid propaganda should be allowed to pass around without being questioned.

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Whether or not the rapists have actually been punished is immaterial to the case at hand. Don't be a retard. The issue involves a woman who was raped being beaten by her government for it.

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I would argue "Woman raped, sentenced to 200 lashes for her trouble" is pretty much doing the work of an actual propaganda machine.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Fun facts about the Saudi legal system!

• Saudi Arabia has a truly independent judiciary, and highly trained lawyers. Yay!
• In theory, the Koran is the "Saudi Constitution" and Islamic sharia the law
• In practice, ~700 Wahhabi clerics/scholars, who are chosen by the other clerics, define what sharia is and how to apply it. (Wahhabism's stricter than Shia/Sunnism, I think). Plus, there are a few patchwork royal-decreed laws
• You get a lenient sentence for rape or wife-beating, but beheaded for witchcraft
• Years ago some laws were added, like "you must keep court records" and "defendants need lawyers." But change is slow. And if you've got a lawyer, the cleric can just throw them out for contempt of court if they like
• A change that's on the books will add a new 10-man supreme court of royal appointees (perhaps not all clerics?). Also, courts will specialize in criminal, commercial, or labour/family issues, instead of doing it all
• The laws will not be codified (written down, so you know what to expect) under the new change. Not happening.
• Attempts are being made to grant women citizen's cards, and people are pushing for the right to drive, but in court many women are only identified by their "male guardian" and their testimony's half the weigh of a man's

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Whether or not the rapists have actually been punished is immaterial to the case at hand. Don't be a retard. The issue involves a woman who was raped being beaten by her government for it.

No it doesn't, because that's not why she was punished. The original sentence was for being in the company of a male she was unrelated to. Such a fact isn't really made clear in that article. Chiribo is right; the facts are taking a back seat to CNNs Islam bashing.

How ya doing, buddy?

How does being punished for being in the company of a male make it better?

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You're saying a law against woman being in the company of an unrelated male is as reprehensible as a law prescribing punishments for victims of rape?

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Absolutely. Are you telling me that either should be remotely acceptable?

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Where did I say that? You're honestly telling me you couldn't rank one of those scenarios as being worse than the other?

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They simply have some fucked up laws about not being alone in the company of a man that is not related by blood / matrimony.

Is it stupid (one could say that's putting it lightly) by western standards? Yes.
Will us sneering at them make a difference? Well, are the twin towers still standing?

How ya doing, buddy?

And blind acceptance will fix the problem?

Female circumcision! See? I can make rash emotional references too!

I'm getting off this little circle jerk now, because I refuse to make this a political discussion when it should be a legal one. But Chiri, I'm a working anthropologist, I understand ethnocentrism, but I also understand the concept of human rights and basic decency.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

She was kidnapped though, so basically she's being punished for what?

Before she was kidnapped, she met with a man in his car. That's the crime. The man was kidnapped too.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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What does Islam have to do with Saudi Arabia have backward ass punishment.

Because Islamic law, Shari'a, is specified in the Koran, the book of Islam? Read How Unfortunate's post again.

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Originally Posted by Devoxycontin

How is that any less backwards? Male companionship? You're a whore!

Someone points out you had the facts wrong, but you steadfastly stick to your guns and proclaim 'We don't care for your facts! The facts change nothing!'. You know how annoying that is, when my main reason for posting was just to make sure everyone had the correct story?

Anyway

"How is that any less backward". Well let me have a go at this. The woman knows the law and she can play by the rules. She doesn't. She knows she's breaking the law, she does it anyway. She's punished for it. Yeah, they're backward rules but 'sup Islam. Scenario 2. The woman is kidnapped and raped, she has no power or self-determination over what happens to her. She's punished for it.

Neither you nor Denicalis can see one is quite clearly worse than the other?

And you can't understand that an article written to make it seem like B happened, when it was actually A that happened, is many times more incendiary and provactive to people like you who need any excuse to get up and posture on a soapbox? It is irresponsible journalism, and the second reason I posted.

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Deni, I am not at all saying we should blindly accept it, as apathetic to such things as I am, I do recognise how vile a treatment it is towards a woman. My initial statement was simply to point out the lack of all the facts in the OP's quoted article.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You must admit, there are examples of woman lacking rights in Islamic countries, that are graver and more shocking than some other examples.

Would the original poster have angered just as many people into viewing/posting if the title of this thread had been 'Woman not allowed driving licenses in Saudi Arabia'? I personally think the reaction would have been somewhat more muted.

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