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Gang raped by 7 men? That's 200 lashes
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Old Nov 21, 2007, 09:45 AM #1 of 121
Gang raped by 7 men? That's 200 lashes

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(CNN) -- The Saudi Justice Ministry Tuesday issued a "clarification" of a court's handling of a rape case and the increased punishment -- including 200 lashes --meted out to the victim.

The case, which has sparked media scrutiny of the Saudi legal system, centers on a married woman. The 19-year-old and an unrelated man were abducted, and she was raped by a group of seven men more than a year ago, according to Abdulrahman al-Lahim, the attorney who represented her in court.

The woman was originally sentenced in October 2006 to 90 lashes. But that sentence was more than doubled to 200 lashes and six months in prison by the Qatif General Court, because she spoke to the media about the case, a court source told Middle Eastern daily newspaper Arab News.

Al-Lahim told CNN his law license was revoked last week by a judge because he spoke to the Saudi-controlled media about the case.

In a statement issued to CNN, Saudi Ambassador to the United States, Adel al-Jubeir said, "This case is working its way through the legal process. I have no doubt that justice will prevail."

The Justice Ministry acknowledged in its statement Tuesday that the attorney is no longer on the case, saying he was punished by a disciplinary committee for lawyers because he "exhibited disrespectful behavior toward the court, objected to the rule of law and showed ignorance concerning court instructions and regulations."

It added that the permanent committee of the Supreme Judicial Council recommended an increased sentence for the woman after further evidence against her came to light when she appealed her original sentence.

The judges of that committee also increased the sentences for the perpetrators based on the level of their involvement in the crime. Their sentences -- which had been two to three years in prison -- were increased to two to nine years, according to al-Lahim.

The ministry also said it welcomes constructive criticism and insisted that the parties' rights were preserved in the judicial process.

"We would like to state that the system has ensured them the right to object to the ruling and to request an appeal," the statement continued, "without resorting to sensationalism through the media that may not be fair or may not grant anyone any rights, and instead may negatively affect all the other parties involved in the case."

The statement also described the progress of the woman's case and explained that it was heard by a panel of three judges, not one judge "as mentioned in some media reports."

It said the case was treated normally through regular court procedures, and that the woman, her male companion and the perpetrators of the crime all agreed in court to the sentences handed down.

In Washington, State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said U.S. officials had "expressed our astonishment" at the sentence, though not directly to Saudi officials. "It is within the power of the Saudi government to take a look at the verdict and change it," he added.

White House homeland security adviser Frances Townsend, who announced her resignation Monday, called the case "absolutely reprehensible" but told CNN's "American Morning" the Saudis deserve credit for their assistance in battling terrorism. "This case is separate and apart from that, and I just don't think there's any explaining it or justifying it," she added.

The case has sparked outrage among human rights groups.

"This is not just about the Qatif girl, it's about every woman in Saudi Arabia," said Fawzeyah al-Oyouni, founding member of the newly formed Saudi Association for the Defense of Women's Rights.

"We're fearing for our lives and the lives of our sisters and our daughters and every Saudi woman out there. We're afraid of going out in the streets.

"Barring the lawyer from representing the victim in court is almost equivalent to the rape crime itself," she added.

Human Rights Watch said it has called on Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah "to immediately void the verdict and drop all charges against the rape victim and to order the court to end its harassment of her lawyer."

The man and woman were attacked after they met in Qatif on the kingdom's Persian Gulf coast, so she could retrieve an old photograph of herself from him, according to al-Lahim. Citing phone records from the police investigation, al-Lahim said the man was trying to blackmail his client. He noted the photo she was trying to retrieve was harmless and did not show his client in any compromising position.

Al-Lahim said the man tried to blame his client for insisting on meeting him that day. It is illegal for a woman to meet with an unrelated male under Saudi's Islamic law.

Al-Lahim has been ordered to attend a disciplinary hearing at the Ministry of Justice next month, where he faces a possible three-year suspension and disbarment, according to Human Rights Watch.

He told CNN he has appealed to the Ministry of Justice to reinstate his law license and plans to meet with Justice Minister Abdullah bin Muhammad bin Ibrahim Al Al-Sheikh.

"Currently she doesn't have a lawyer, and I feel they're doing this to isolate her and deprive her from her basic rights," he said. "We will not accept this judgment and I'll do my best to continue representing her because justice needs to take place."

He said the handling of the case is a direct contradiction of judicial reforms announced by the Saudi king earlier this month.

"The Ministry of Justice needs to have a very clear standing regarding this case because I consider this decision to be judiciary mutiny against the reform that King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz started and against Saudi women who are being victimized because of such decisions," he said.

Under law in Saudi Arabia, women are subject to numerous restrictions, including a strict dress code, a prohibition against driving and a requirement that they get a man's permission to travel or have surgery. Women are also not allowed to testify in court unless it is about a private matter that was not observed by a man, and they are not allowed to vote.

The Saudi government recently has taken some steps toward bettering the situation of women in the kingdom, including the establishment earlier this year of special courts to handle domestic abuse cases, adoption of a new labor law that addresses working women's rights and creation of a human rights commission
tl:dr version - A 19-year old married woman and and an unrelated man were kidnapped, and the woman was gangraped by 7 guys. She went to the Saudi Arabia media about it, and was originally sentenced to 90 lashes, but it was recently INCREASED to 200 lashes with an additional 6 months in prison!

I don't care what people say, those people are a bunch of sick, primitive fucks. That is just abhorrent.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 10:09 AM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 11:09 PM #2 of 121
Hahah. That's what happens to people who get too tied up with their religion or what they believe in.*

*Statement applies to any person or group of people committing irrational acts that may cause harm to others or themselves while justifying said act to be morally correct.

I wonder how many lashes will be given to someone who's gangraped by eight men! Or more! OH U SILLY ARABS!

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 10:48 AM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 05:48 PM 2 #3 of 121
The sad thing is I'm not even surprised anymore by that kind of shit.



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Old Nov 21, 2007, 10:52 AM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 04:52 PM #4 of 121
Idiots wouln't know proper sprital lifestyle if it bit them on the nose.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 11:01 AM 3 #5 of 121
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It said the case was treated normally through regular court procedures, and that the woman, her male companion and the perpetrators of the crime all agreed in court to the sentences handed down.
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and that the woman, her male companion and the perpetrators of the crime all agreed in court to the sentences handed down.
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that the woman...agreed in court to the sentences handed down
Ok.

Alright. Please tell me that I'm mis-reading this part. Am I correct in thinking that she was fine with this sentence? That she was alright with the jail-time and the lashes?

Jesus FUCKING Christ.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 11:35 AM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 11:35 AM #6 of 121
I support Saudi Arabia because the United States supports them!


(land of the hypocrites)

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 11:39 AM #7 of 121
She was alright with only a 6-month prison sentence? Shit.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 02:15 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 12:15 PM #8 of 121
I was gang-raped by seven men but all I got was an STD. =(

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 02:28 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 12:28 PM 1 #9 of 121
That should teach her to be more reserved in the future.

Raped? Pssh. She liked it.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 02:46 PM 1 #10 of 121

Jesus FUCKING Christ.
You meant to say Allah FUCKING Mohammed, right?

I'm just glad that the legal system was able to straighten this whole mess out. Imaging how traumatic it must of been for those seven men to have to sit in court with that filthy woman.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 03:31 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 01:31 PM #11 of 121
Serious -- Okay well thats kinda strange. You get raped and the rapee gets the sentence instead of the rapers.

Not Serious -- maybe she'll ask for the lashes on her ass or some kinky shit like that.


But seriously...this is straight up bizzare...not any more than in utah with a guy forcing a girl and her cousin to marry then have sex or a 12 year old stabbing his 13 year old brother cause they wanted to watch different shows. But this is STILL bizzare!

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 03:35 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 01:35 PM #12 of 121
Jesus FUCKING Christ.
Wrong culture and religion, nigga. Try again.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 03:42 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 12:42 PM #13 of 121
Islam had a late start.

Give them a few centuries and they'll be all caught up with Christianity.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Nov 21, 2007, 03:46 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 03:46 PM 1 1 #14 of 121
Yes and then give Christianity a few million years and then it will be caught up with Atheism.

Like Niki, this really isn't surprising to hear for me. This kind of stuff happens all the time in the Saudi region. It's sickening but expected. I really hope things get a bit better there for women.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 03:49 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 12:49 PM 1 #15 of 121
Can we not make this another atheism debate, thanks.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 03:58 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 10:58 PM #16 of 121
Can we not make this another atheism debate, thanks.
You're the one throwing (dumb) controversy in there. =/

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 04:08 PM #17 of 121
Niki said it all. It's not even a surprise to me anymore. I read the title was my first thought was that this is probably a middle eastern related issue. I know it's seems horrible that that's my first thought but I haven't been wrong yet. Such a shame, as if the rape wasn't punishment enough.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 04:14 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 01:14 PM #18 of 121
You're the one throwing (dumb) controversy in there. =/
You say that like there was no controversy to begin with.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 04:25 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 11:25 PM 5 #19 of 121
You say that like there was no controversy to begin with.
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Old Nov 21, 2007, 05:43 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 05:43 PM 1 #20 of 121
Before Muhammad the Arabs were just a bunch of misogynistic, tribalist, and myopic sand farmers. After Muhammad they are pretty much the same, only they tried to force the rest of the world to accept their myopic world view.

The arab peninsula hasn't changed ideologically in over a thousand years, and they wouldn't have anything resembling a modern economy without oil.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 07:24 PM Local time: Nov 22, 2007, 01:24 AM 1 1 #21 of 121
Seems the OP forgot to mention that the rapists also got lashes and prison time.

No, that doesn't mean the court order isn't fucked up, as what happened almost goes to define what "fucked" up is, simply wanted to add that info for a more "ballanced discussion" ;p

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 08:08 PM #22 of 121
Alright. Please tell me that I'm mis-reading this part. Am I correct in thinking that she was fine with this sentence? That she was alright with the jail-time and the lashes?
I think it is akin to how, in trials in the US, the defendant uses legal means to protest his sentence but is "okay" with whatever the judge finally hands down.

Put more simply, if the punishment for speaking to the biased towards Saudi media about the case had her punishment increased two-fold, then can you imagine what sort of punishment she would receive for telling the judges that she wasn't fine with her sentence?

Anyway Devo's right. It's not Islam doing this any more than it's Christianity that perpetuates fucked up Russian laws or rulings. It's a fucked-up society and a government that's corrupt to the core.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 08:14 PM Local time: Nov 21, 2007, 08:14 PM #23 of 121
Seems the OP forgot to mention that the rapists also got lashes and prison time.
Shut up.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 08:38 PM #24 of 121
The article mentioned their jail time was increased but didn't say anything about lashes.

Lashes are tough, they usually have to dole them out at most 40 a day, because you run the risk of killing your prisoner if you do more.

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Old Nov 21, 2007, 09:18 PM 1 #25 of 121
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It's a fucked-up society and a government that's corrupt to the core.
The sentence passed is according to the Islamic law, Shari'a. This law stems from interpretations of the Qur'an itself and the sayings of Mohammad.
Society may be fucked but the law enforced indicates the source of that is Islam.

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