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The most shocking thing about all this, we find that Vince McMahon has taken his head out of HHH's ass, and HHH has taken his head out of Vince McMahon's ass at the same time.
Nothing like a fresh cup of double irony. This "new ECW" is going to be pretty stale really, no matter how "hard" it's made to sound. Vince will never go back on his move limitation policy as to stop injuries, so you'll never see some of the insane and wacky shit that ECW used to do in the past. That's what made the wrestling good, and the matches even better. This looks more like a ploy to draw attention away from TNA, and I guess it appears to be working considering everyone and their dog are having orgasms over the news of ECW returning. All they're doing now is kicking a dead horse at this point, but we'll see if anything comes out of it. Most amazing jew boots |
Sabu only wrestled maybe 5-7 times a year for TNA while under contract with them, so it isn't a complete loss. Samoa Joe would be a complete loss, but luckily his allegiance lies soundly with TNA.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
That smells more like angle opening than it does a legit fight, to give Batista someone to feud with while everything finishes up with Rey Mysterio and the World Title. If they were to put Batista against Rey now, it's clear the mismatch would be absolutely horrible where you couldn't see Batista losing at ALL.
That's the feeling I get from it. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Looks like the WWE has confirmed a timeslot for ECW on TV. The place?
SCI-FI CHANNEL lololol It's like time travel back to 1996 or something. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
It's people like you that don't give WCW enough credit for being a fucking viable wrestling company that gave a lot back to the industry. Stand behind the entire goddamned industry for once, not a single fucking promotion. I was speaking idiomatically. |
What you fail to realize, is that what you're saying actually is true. Without Coca-Cola, Pepsi wouldn't be where it is. Without Pepsi, Coca-Cola wouldn't be where they are. Each of them have aggressively marketed against each other and have literally swamped out brands like RC Cola because of such competition. Remove one or the other from the equation, and a brand like RC Cola might be on top right now. That's how it works. Without WCW, the WWE would not be where they are right now. Without WCW, the WWE has been failing horribly in keeping interesting storylines going while building new stars. The entire attitude era was born solely on the premise to oust WCW, like in the example above with Coca-Cola and Pepsi. The AOL/Time Warner merger is what killed WCW, not industry competition. Only now that TNA has emerged, are they taking a stance on attempting to bring back what was once interesting. This is fact, as much as you'd like to consider it invalid.
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
They went back and forth, did a lot of good and a lot of shit. Again, that's how it works. FELIPE NO |
Those two examples are good with the exception of a few minor details. Jeff Jarrett in general is the one that basically helped create the TNA brand, and most of his heel gimmick such as him beating people over the head with guitars came about because of WCW. But your last part holds perfectly true, if WCW was still in business there may have been no TNA. Though comparing Jarrett and Austin's popularity is beyond impossible.
JBL like John Cena is one of those weird cases where no one particularly gave a damn about their title runs because they're horrible wrestlers, yet they remained with a job and the title for a good long time. Though JBL in general only became "JBL" because Ron Simmons retired due to internal depushing of the tag team division. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Also would like to point out the absolute truth. ROH > WCW > TNA > ECW > WWE > WWECW This is undeniable fact. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
WCW going downhill was only over a series of about 3 years, but it still leaves the NWA/WCW and WCW days as being great times. The way things are now though, everyone is making mistakes. All except ROH, that is.
They got Lance Storm out of retirement to face ROH Champion Bryan Danielson. It was likely the best Lance Storm match I have ever seen. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
You should check out Ring of Honor, sure it's no WCW but the shit they do there absolutely brutalizes any "wrestling" that WWE puts forth. Most of TNA's top talent came from ROH. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
So Vince feeds him steroids, proceeds to figure out that the big steroid guys AREN'T OVER ANYMORE, and then "suspends" him for using steroids.
I don't know who to put the shame on, Vince for the act or Masters for buying it. Pure WWE gold. Nothing to see here anymore, move along now. How ya doing, buddy? |
Angle and the WWE really don't mix now given that he needs a lighter schedule to work with. I'd honestly rather see him and his talents in ROH/TNA so we can see some dream matches before he has to retire. Since they can save those matches for high caliber PPVs and shows, that would be perfect.
Won't happen though, because of many people would consider Angle "crazy" for leaving the WWE scene. A shame, too. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
So there's something apparently crazy about loving the business and wanting to give it everything you've got until the end?
That's not a nut case man, that's a cause for fucking respect. FELIPE NO |
Having read the results for RAW upon returning from a night out on the town (what, I'd actually watch RAW?) I have only one thing to say.
Spoiler:
Edge v. Cena? DX v. Vince? A psuedo brand split? Chris Masters becomes Rob Conway? Spoiler:
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
I think "commiting suicide" as a term is much too strong to apply to this. You and I both know that he was well aware of his own limits, and rather than sit at home collecting a paycheck he came back time and time again to entertain you.
As humans we should all be about breaking our own limits. Angle has lived being able to do that, so he has my respect in doing that. It takes real honor in this day and age to live up to your commitments and words, and I think we all gained something from watching his matches. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I can sympathize with him asking questions like that. Why?
RVD was on top of his game. He had both the WWE and ECW titles in his grasp, but STILL STILL STILL took the risk of running around with narcotics. He was caught, it's bad for business. Valid question. Big Show doesn't even belong on the ECW roster. ECW never needed big giant guys to get over in their promotion, they needed guys like the old roster had that were smaller but could go the distance in matches. Angle fits that bill perfectly, but Big Show is ECW Champion. Why? Valid question. Sabu has no business being employed by the WWE. 80% of his "hardcore" moveset is now limited because of the WWE and their limitations on what can be performed and their wellness policy. That was Sabu's gimmick you know, the "homicidal, genocidal Sabu" bit. Angle could carry matches while giving off that air of being hardcore without requiring to resort to a gimmick where most of your moves are hardcore moves. Valid question. Angle wanted what was good for business, and undoubtedly good for his career. He's been with the company now loyally since he signed with them, and deserves to be able to ask questions every now and then. Respect is earned, and he earned it during his tenure by busting his ass for the business not doing stupid shit like getting caught with narcotics or relying on a gimmick that is crippled from promotion to promotion. You have to think about the nature of things before putting politics ahead of the matter. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
It's hard to be a locker room leader when Vince McMahon calls all the shots. Even if the story is true, there would be feasible reasoning behind it. He could have pushed to remain on RAW and chase after Edge (which would have been 200% better) but instead did not care about going into what could have bombed in the end.
True or not, he wouldn't lose my respect. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I expect him to do shit that he would normally never do because he is in ECW now. He used to be able to do a moonsault back in his WCW glory days, among other things. If you want to change promotions, you adapt to the new promotion's style unless you want to concede that ECW is nothing more than WWE2 now. *also bigger wrestlers in the WWE have been known to kill unborn children refer to gene snitsky thx I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
The problem is that the WWE is seriously pushing ECW to be it's own brand and has for the most part, attempted to retain the look and feel of the older ECW. Where the issue begins is that they're using WWE stars who never really had anything to do with "ECW" as a whole to accomplish this. Not only that, they're using people who really don't fit the ECW style. Thus, I have a problem with the Big Show even being on the roster, much less the ECW champion.
It isn't about who can do it better, it's about who can do it to give the promotion an extra push that has had ECW ties before. Chris Benoit is an ECW alumni, fits the ECW style by definition, and could have great matches with some of ECW's finest. Big Show on the other hand, will use the same WWE big man style of boots and chokeslams with a weapon or two, but call it hardcore like it was ECW. All I'm saying is, they're seriously trying to push ECW as a separate brand instead of a third brand. To that effect, they need to make the ends justify the means. I was speaking idiomatically. |
I'll agree that as a last minute decision, that was understandable. He has held onto it however for far too long and has basically only had one real ECW opponent for the title in Sabu.
Again, the issue is the flood of WWE guys they're trying to put in there. CM Punk is in ECW right now and considering his skills he would also be a good candidate to put the belt on. There are a plethora of other guys in OVW and in developmental territories that could be brought up and used over time. Show simply isn't a believable ECW champion, and is better off as a transitional champion who should have dropped the title to someone like CM Punk or someone that can be given a chance to shine. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Yes I do.
The industry as a whole needs new names it can rely on. New names that have the talent potential to become and remain good champions. Brock Lesnar basically had the same "big man" syndrome that all of the more muscular guys have that got over, and being handed a title like that ultimately did get to his head. Lesnar had never worked for other real wrestling promotions before, and never really "paid his dues" so to speak, but was handed a title. This is the main difference between Brock Lesnar and CM Punk. CM Punk has been ROH Heavyweight Champion AND OVW Heavyweight Champion. He has already been in several territories and other promotions in his time. He's been around the corner and back several times over the course of his career, and ultimately knows what it's like to hold titles and lose titles. Lesnar on the other hand, was only built to be the WWE's "Goldberg" wannabe (much like Umaga is supposed to be their Samoa Joe wannabe) and didn't really have much of a gimmick aside from the "next big thing" routine. When that fell apart, so did Lesnar. I could bring up more facts and history, but you get the idea. FELIPE NO
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They would probably fit the mold of ECW better, and Mysterio might be someone good to feud with Big Show for the time being using the whole David and Goliath scenario except with Mysterio realizing that now in ECW he can neutralize Show with weapons.
Even with those three though, new talent and names are pretty much required for both the WWE and ECW at this point. If they don't start developing now, it'll only take one good wave of injuries to send them all into a panic. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Well obviously, anything that involves Great Khali is a gigantic bust. Back in WCW though, when Mysterio was set to face Kevin Nash and actually ended up getting a pin on him abruptly when Nash went for the jackknife and Mysterio countered it into a pin it was a pretty kickass moment.
Those feuds CAN be done right, under the right conditions. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
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