Split:Was Czecholovakia part of the Soviet Union? Or: Semper is still an idiot.

Yeah, I know this is Croatia, just saying they're from the same region, lol. I think it'd be a mistake to underestimate these guys after seeing how the U.S. got demolished yesterday by Czech.

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Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Yeah, I know this is Croatia, just saying they're from the same region, lol. I think it'd be a mistake to underestimate these guys after seeing how the U.S. got demolished yesterday by Czech.

Except that the Czechs are ranked number 2 in the world, and everyone expected them to run roughshot over the US. Seriously, mate. You live in a fantasy world.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

US IS A MEXIAN SATELLITE NATION WHY LIE

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

See the difference there Devo is that Eastern Europe was once "united" by something called communism. This parallel doesn't work for the U.S. and Mexico or the rest of North America because there was no communist bloc around here unifying the nations. Get it?

Oh, and I don't watch much soccer, heh. I live in the U.S. damnit.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panamericanism

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

See the difference there Devo is that Eastern Europe was once "united" by something called communism. This parallel doesn't work for the U.S. and Mexico or the rest of North America because there was no communist bloc around here unifying the nations. Get it?

Oh, and I don't watch much soccer, heh. I live in the U.S. damnit.

Actually, England, France and Spain aren't too shabby at football either. Weren't some of them part of the NATO alliance? Mexico went pretty far in the confederations cup recently. Don't let your shitty reasoning hit you in the ass on the way out.

p.s. Brazil must be united by the South American Alliance.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I'm not talking about NATO.. I'm talking about the former Soviet Union. Way to go misconstruing what I said and getting cleats in your balls.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm not talking about NATO.. I'm talking about the former Soviet Union. Way to go misconstruing what I said and getting cleats in your balls.

Look, AmeriMarineEagle. You obviously don't know much about the sport. How about you quit while you're ahead and stop embarassing yourself? I used NATO because the Czech Republic (or Czechoslovakia) was in the Warsaw Pact, not the Soviet Union. It's called equivalents. How's that for cleats on your balls.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_union:
Established by four Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR grew and from 1956 to 1991 politically contained 15 constituent or union republics — Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR — joined in a strongly centralized federal union. After the USSR's collapse, all 15 SSRs became independent countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_pact
Members
* Soviet Union
* Albania (withdrew its support in 1962 over ideological differences, formally left in 1968)
* Bulgaria
* Czechoslovakia
* East Germany (joined in 1956; left in October 1990)
* Hungary
* Poland
* Romania

You can stop embarassing yourself now.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Wait, do you see the point I'm trying to make here? I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup. I don't know why you're bringing in all this extraneous shit.

Okay, now, read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslovakia
But since, you're amazing on going off on tangents, I'll pinpoint it for you.



Yeah, you're right about the Warsaw Pact, but it is incontrovertible that Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This is like the equivalent of a gorilla ripping off your genitals here, buddy. Quit it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

it is incontrovertible that Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This is like the equivalent of a gorilla ripping off your genitals here, buddy. Quit it.

Except it wasn't.

Originally Posted by wikipedia

Established by four Soviet Socialist Republics, the USSR grew and from 1956 to 1991 politically contained 15 constituent or union republics — Armenian SSR, Azerbaijan SSR, Byelorussian SSR, Estonian SSR, Georgian SSR, Kazakh SSR, Kirghiz SSR, Latvian SSR, Lithuanian SSR, Moldavian SSR, Russian SFSR, Tajik SSR, Turkmen SSR, Ukrainian SSR, and Uzbek SSR — joined in a strongly centralized federal union. After the USSR's collapse, all 15 SSRs became independent countries.

"Satellite nation" doesn't mean it was actually in the USSR.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Right. If I was a country and was a "satellite nation" of a bigger entity, I AM IN NO WAY TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED ENTITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I AM POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY DEPENDENT ON SAID ENTITY.
This is the crux of your argument, and it's absolutely unconvincing.



A Satellite nation is a country that is dominated politically and economically by another nation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satellite_nation

edit: And if you're under a country's influence, you're basically their bitch or a smaller reflection of them, thus, in practice, Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup. I don't know why you're bringing in all this extraneous shit.

Except when the "extraneous shit" disproves your assertion completely.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Right. If I was a country and was a "satellite nation" of a bigger entity, I AM IN NO WAY TO BE AFFILIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED ENTITY DESPITE THE FACT THAT I AM POLITICALLY AND ECONOMICALLY DEPENDENT ON SAID ENTITY.

You're right.

You still lose.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm asserting that I'm surprised countries that nations in the former Soviet Union made it to the World Cup.

Why? Would it shock you to know the USSR was itself a power in football?

I was speaking idiomatically.

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You're really overestimating the Soviet Unions grip on Czechoslovakia and assuming that just because it's a Satellite Nation it must have been totally dominated by the USSR when that's not the case. Stop looking up definitions and automatically applying them to history without reading up on the country you're labeling.

Yes, Stalin and the communists had a nice grip on Czechoslovakia politically but they were hardly the USSR's bitch or economically pilaged by the USSR.

Am I? Is 600,000 troops storming the nation and indefinitely occupying it not good enough to be considered being under the thumb of the Soviet Union?

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The program was well received in Czechoslovakia and was praised by Romanian, Yugoslav, and Western European Communist Parties. However, the Soviet Union and other Warsaw Pact countries became angry learning that this kind of liberalization could spread. Czechoslovakian leaders stood firm in their reform policies and tried to appease the hard-line Soviet Communists by pledging to maintain the Communist Party as the leading force in Czechoslovakian politics and by promising to continue its alliance with the USSR and the Warsaw Pact nations.

The Soviet Union and its other Warsaw Pact allies were not satisfied with Czechoslovia's promise and decided to put an end to the "Czechoslovak Experiment." On the 20th August, 1968, 600,000 Soviet, East German, Polish, Hungarian, and Bulgarian troops invaded and occuped Czechoslovakia. Resistance was, for the most part, not violent, although twenty-five Czech and Slovaks were killed. Dubcek was abducted and taken to the Soviet Union.

Soviet troops were to remain in the country indefinitely. In April 1969, Dubcek was officially replaced as Party Secretary by another Slovak, Gustav Husak, who became president in 1975. Husak's government entirely reversed the reforms of the Prague Spring. Reformers were purged or punished and the country became a tightly controlled suuprter of the USSR.

http://library.thinkquest.org/10775/czecslov.htm

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Why? Would it shock you to know the USSR was itself a power in football?

Before the collapse of the Soviet Union, I didn't think that Eastern Europeans even had time to play soccer. Of course that's all changed now but it's relatively a quick recovery. It's good stuff, of course.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

edit: And if you're under a country's influence, you're basically their bitch or a smaller reflection of them, thus, in practice, Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

I thought you had incontovertible evidence? Red circle and all? So now it's in "practice"? Hard facts eh?

Edit: You know what, I would really question an academic source that can't even spell right. Also, where do it say, even when occupied, that the country becomes part of the Soviet Union? Well, it does say that it becomes a "suuprter". Whatever that is.

FELIPE NO

Actions and actual events are far stronger than some words retelling the facts with a different interpretation.

And if you're going to discredit Think Quest over a spelling error, I laugh at you.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Actions and actual events are far stronger than some words retelling the facts with a different interpretation.

And if you're going to discredit Think Quest over a spelling error, I laugh at you.

So basically, you're telling me not to discredit Think Quest, but basically say that due to the nature of the invasion, you're right and all the other fact-books are wrong? Woah. I guess you win, then.

p.s. Czechoslovakia wanted to leave the Warsaw pact and reform to a different form of government before the other countries in the Warsaw pact invaded it to make it stay as part of the alliance. Way to twist facts, cowboy.

Seriously, can you stop going any further. First you argue with "incontrovertible facts', now it's in "practice" and "Actions and actual events are far stronger than some words retelling the facts with a different interpretation. " What rubbish is that? Argue anywhere else and they would laugh your ass out the door.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I got a source that delves deeper than any factbook because factbooks just give the gist of a country's history in a summary. You can discredit the source all you want over a spelling mistake and the fact that it isn't a factbook, go ahead.

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Czechoslovakian leaders stood firm in their reform policies and tried to appease the hard-line Soviet Communists by pledging to maintain the Communist Party

Yeah and appealing and appeasing the communist government to maintain the communist party is twisting the facts right?

So what if I lowered my standard of proof, you are the funny guy that totally disowned the Soviet Union from Czech's history. I'm still sticking to my guns because it's hard to deny that the Soviet Union had some design over Czechoslovia.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I got a source that delves deeper than any factbook because factbooks just give the gist of a country's history in a summary. You can discredit the source all you want over a spelling mistake and the fact that it isn't a factbook, go ahead.

Oh yeah, except that ThinkQuest listed down the facts and you gave your own interpretation of it. Not once did ThinkQuest say that it became part of the Soviet Union.

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Czechoslovakian leaders stood firm in their reform policies and tried to appease the hard-line Soviet Communists by pledging to maintain the Communist Party

Yeah, that means that they had to stay in the Warsaw pact, right?

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

So what if I lowered my standard of proof, you are the funny guy that totally disowned the Soviet Union from Czech's history. I'm still sticking to my guns because it's hard to deny that the Soviet Union had some design over Czechoslovia.

Which is not what you said in the first place. You said it was part of the Soviet Union, which is not the same as saying that "the Soviet Union had some design over Czechoslovakia. Yes, yes, we all know that the Soviet Union was the driving force behind the Warsaw pact. Yes, yes, we all know that it had major influence over it's allies, but that has nothing to do with what you said. So in the same vein, we can say that the Phillipines are part of the United States of America, since the military was stationed there for a period of time along with the fact that America had some influence over their political decisions.

For posterity's sake, so you can't change your argument now.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I'm not talking about NATO.. I'm talking about the former Soviet Union. Way to go misconstruing what I said and getting cleats in your balls.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

Yeah, you're right about the Warsaw Pact, but it is incontrovertible that Czechoslovakia was part of the Soviet Union.

This is like the equivalent of a gorilla ripping off your genitals here, buddy. Quit it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I don't understand the crux of this argument.

Czechloslovakia certainly was a puppet of the USSR, but Croatia (as part of Yugoslavia) was not. They may all have been buddies in Communism, but Yugoslavia was not behind the iron curtain, and had more contacts with the West.

It's completely silly to claim that the US soccer team has to watch out for Croatia because somehow it was part of the Soviet Union's communist machine.

The US does have to watch out for Croatia because Soccer is a distant fourth in the US in drawing athletic talent, whereas in most countries, it's the top sport.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

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Posted by Secret Squirrel
I don't understand the crux of this argument.

The crux of the argument is that SemperFi is a mouth-breathing idiot, and everyone is having fun dragging the argument out and throwing him enough rope to hang himself with.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SemperFidelis

I got a source that delves deeper than any factbook

But it's the CIA factbook.

The CIA KNOWS EVERYTHING.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So by this logic the Czechs and Poles, and the french for that matter were all Nazis too, since they were occupied at one time by Germany. Tell any Czech or Pole that they were part of the Soviet Union and they might hit you. Czech culture is far removed from Russian culture, more in line with southern German culture, while Slovaks are more slavic. Czechoslovokia was an unfomfortable mix from its start. Trying to say that they are somehow linked to other countries in the Soviet orbit just because they were both behind the iron Curtain is wrong. Try and find similarities between Czechs and Estonians, or Kazhachs for that matter. Not many there.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Secret Squirrel

The US does have to watch out for Croatia because Soccer is a distant fourth in the US in drawing athletic talent, whereas in most countries, it's the top sport.

I'd say fifth or six since we've got the "big four" sports of baseball, football, basketball, and hockey that are considerably more popular and I'd wager there's probably more people that wish they were professional NASCAR drivers than pro soccer players.

How ya doing, buddy?

SemperFidelis, I hope you can get that min 32 AFQT score of the ASVAB for Marine Infantry... You might want to pay more attention in history class =\

Jam it back in, in the dark.