[Movie] The Dark Knight (Batman Begins Sequel)

I'd rather the Batfamily never be involved if they aren't willing to work the idea of Robin into these films.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Drakken

it seems perfectly reasonable that guys in that situation would talk about The Joker by name (and use his name multiple times). I don't think that's necessarily Nolan doing that for the sake of the presumably slow audience.

The Joker was apparently making moves well after the incident in Batman Begins, he's a known presence to the Gotham PD, anyone who watched Batman Begins would be able to associate "Joker Playing Card" with "Joker." It's not "perfectly reasonable" to have a whole bunch of guys basically tip off who their boss is when they're wearing clown masks and blowing each other away. The scene would have had much more impact had they not been going off at the mouth about "SO HE HIRED YOU TOO?"

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Which is why he totally let Harvey put a loaded gun up to his head and left it entirely to chance.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Skexis

Well, he doesn't really do it for chance. If Harvey had killed him, the end result would have been the same as if he had corrupted Batman. Joker would have brought down the white knight. Joker was fully ready to die earlier if it would mean Batman breaks his One Rule. So it comes back to the word choice and the fact that it's not really chaos but enough direct subversion that it might as well be chaos.

See how you just outlined the plan of a psychopath who apparently doesn't like plans but talks about an immovable object and an unstoppable force?

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Crazy is a great motivation for a villain and should always have concrete explanations made to explain the depths of its waters

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

YOUR IDEAS VIOLATE ALL LAWS OF PHYSICK

MAYBE THAT WAS THE PLAN ALL ALONG

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by LeHah

I'm not sure I agree. We never know the story behind Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet - but not only is he completely fucking insane and scary as hell - but his performance isn't some crappy insanity pastiche usually reserved for the worst episodes of Law And Order: Special Victims Unit. You know, like the one where that kid played that Dungeons And Dragons videogame and tried to save his dead stepsister?

I was being sarcastic there, in all seriousness. I hate "crazy" as a discussion point in most villains, especially in the Joker's case. Because it's rarely going to hit a note beyond "Psuedo-Intellectual." And if that's usually the case, there's always someone who wants to fucking discuss the motivations of a guy who has no background and is just. Fucking. Crazy.

With pang, this is all ending up like that time where it was somehow made out that I'm arguing about a the continuity of a guy in a blue suit of underwear fighting for everlasting peace instead of just saying a guy is full of shit and giving the reason for it

these things happen, though

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Is there a third answer where I say that's a dumb line of discussion in trying to get me to admit I'd rather him be a different character rather than have the same character with less "explain someone's psychosis with no foundation or background?"

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I agree with you there, more or less, LeHah. It's just, again, when I saw "That's a great theory" or something on the last page, I just rolled my eyes. Yes, that is SUCH a great point about nothing.

Originally Posted by Rotorblade

Because it's rarely going to hit a note beyond "Psuedo-Intellectual."

Jam it back in, in the dark.

In "The Dark Knight" Joker's case, I think the vagueness of his insanity in this film blankets him under a variety of mental disorders. Part of me wants to say "It goes without saying that he's anti-social" and another doesn't want to know what your point is behind it. I mean, if that comes off as aggressively "butthurt" and whatever, sorry for being backhanded. Nothing else to call it.

Several Batman villains have sociopathic/psychotic tendancies. It's also worth noting that they happen to have actual backgrounds which makes discussing them in context to their source material (the comic they're in, the movie they're in, the television show they're in) a lot more gratifying. Do I feel it's worth trying to pinpoint this Joker's motivations in this movie? No. He plays his role of "Crazy" fine, even if I'm annoyed with a few of his lines. Fun to watch, not exactly meaningful or enjoyable to discuss.

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Originally Posted by Interrobang

I'm not sure how you jumped from my interpretation of one piece of dialogue to pseudo-intellectualism, but okay.

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As was the whole Joker is an agent of chaos and hates plans-but-uses-plans-all-the-time bullshit

Considering we were talking about motivations and dialogue, your comment was a decent springboard.

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You son of a bitch, Deni. What did Iron Man ever do to you!? You try to sell some goddamned cars and look what you have to go off at the mouth about. We all know what this is about. This is what happens when an advertisable force hits a guy who's father never bought him a goddamned Whopper.

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