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I think this "any erosion of first amendment is dangerous" argument is just the slippery slope fallacy. Yes, ceding rights is a dangerous thing. But you judge each step on it's merits.
How is the government going to abuse this? Start charting war funeral processions through hippie concerts? Start delivering pro-Iraq "new-speak" speeches only at funerals to dead soldiers? ...by the by, there is legal precedent to the idea that "supporting freedom of speech requires that people feel safe enough to express themselves freely." This has been used to shut down overt and aggressive racism. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I don't see how protecting the rights we have in place would be a slippery slope. Most would argue that the slippery slope is to do the opposite.
The first time I said this whole lying thing was in response to you about a comment which I misunderstood, so I apologize for that. These repeated comments were to try to explain my reasoning behind it when I was asked "what kind of logic is that?"
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Last edited by Final Fantasy Phoneteen; Jun 7, 2006 at 11:17 PM.
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Why does their protest mean less than the ones you described? Why can't you write to your mayor or city councilmember about the Wal-Mart threat? You could make the argument that all of those should be taken to pen and paper.
And protests aren't always about going to the people who can actually change law, as taking it to the average Joe is acceptable, too. Like with abortion protests-- some take it to the capital, yeah, but others take it to Planned Parenthoods, and Planned Parenthood can't change law. Or what about labor strikes in retail? They protest outside the stores so that they can get the consumer's attention. They don't just picket at the corporate offices. How ya doing, buddy?
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There obviously has to be some purpose, and that purpose has to be about change. You protest to change something, and that's exactly what they're doing. Most amazing jew boots |
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Though it looks interesting, so I will read it. Thank you.
But I see I'm only making a negative impression, so I will concede. Thank you to everyone who argued/put up with me, as things like this are always learning experiences. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
Last edited by Final Fantasy Phoneteen; Jun 8, 2006 at 01:25 AM.
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2 actions speak louder than words 3 how many licks does it take to get to the center of my dick 4 you don't think his past behavior or the behavior of his church has anything to do with anything 5 he said specifically "We don't picket to win people over, idiot. It's to harden people's hearts. Make them hate.", I mean, i don't know what more evidence you want re: trolling and attention-grabbing 6 you can have a goal that you do not work towards, please see new years resolutions 7 keep licking boy, you ain't even close
You know, I find it very intolerant that you would suggest only retards want to make other people angry. Shouldn't you take them at face value, unless they do something wrong eg break the law? Don't they deserve the benefit of the doubt, something you're even willing to give the Westboro Baptist Church? Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Are the 4th Amendment rights of the family more threatened by the protesters being allowed full reign, or is the 1st Amendment rights of these ignorant dumbasses more threatened by the law? I think the law will stand, if only because the protesters are only being being given organization limits. They're still being allowed to say what they want, just not at the funeral to which they weren't invited. Funerals are more or less sacred and a time of mourning for families, so I think the courts will sympathize and rule in favor of the 4th Amendment in this case, especially this particular USSC.
As for roles getting reversed, if people like that ever got into power so that the roles could be reversed, I'd be moving to the UK or Canada. Those people are against everything that America is supposed to be about. They're basically un-American.
In an ideal world, we could ban that kind of crap without the fear of the government going too far. Too bad it's not realistic. There's nowhere I can't reach.
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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Holy shit . . . That Shirley Phelps-Roper is so fucking retarded she needs to be fired out of a cannon into the core of the sun! That Julie Banderas rocks the way she totally pwned that bitch! People like that really piss me off and almost push me to the point of wanting to lash out in a very violent way . . .
This is why I would ban hate speech, by the way. Too bad it would lead to abuses from the government . . . I guess that's why an ideal world is just a fantasy, eh? Unfortunately, we're forced to put up with raving lunatics like her. I would never worship a God that condemns people for things that are not usually a choice (i.e. homosexuality) . . . What kind of loving deity would that be, anyway? Julie Banderas: 1 Hannity & Colmes: 1 Retarded Bigots: 0 Hahaha! EDIT: Congratulations to Iowa for banning the funeral protests outright! I was speaking idiomatically.
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
Why are you arguing with WoW players? It's pronounced "Shut the fuck up and get a job. Raiding isn't a job." - Lukage
Last edited by PattyNBK; Jun 14, 2006 at 03:55 PM.
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An extremely touchy and sensitive issue. It is too tough to draw the line when it comes to freedom of speech. Did anyone catch this lady (the head of the church) on Hannity and Colmes? It was pretty funny, you could probably find the video on youtube.
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