[DS] Chrono Trigger DS - Retards complaining about a new optional ending. Fun inside!

Originally Posted by INDIGO-2

New IGN article reveals something very intriguing.



An extra ending could either retcon it into being properly connected with Chrono Cross, or set it up for a sequel...

I won't get my hopes up.

Sounds interesting. I'm hoping for a sequel obviously. But I'll be happy with another cool ending. Whatever.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I'm really surprised that none of these new dungeons seem to be similar to the scrapped dungeons found in the Chrono Trigger beta cart. I figured they would've been scrapped due to lack of time. I was looking forward to seeing if any of those unused ideas would be incorporated, but I'm not broken-hearted if it didn't pan out.

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Hmm I never read anything about that, interesting. Could you provide a link to picture regarding the scrapped dungeons? And is that beta cart available in rom format?

Thanks.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

A prerelease cart was given to a bunch of Japanese magazines for review. They had code blocks preventing the player from getting past certain points, but you can bypass those with certain codes. The game was significantly done at that point, with a lot of work done in certain dungeons that were either cut down or removed altogether in the final game.

Chrono Compendium

That discusses at length all the changes in the prerelease and the final product, including maps and screenshots. I think it also tells you how to get around the ROM into the unfinished dungeons. Unfortunately it's in Japanese so I don't know how much you'll get out of playing it since it's untranslated. I don't know where you can download it, I'm sure most SNES rom sites have it by now.

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3

By your opinion, son. Wah wah wah, it's different from this thing I liked. Great music, interesting tie-ins to the previous game (albeit handled in a poor manner) and great visuals.

Game was over-slagged. Get over it.

I have engaged in the debate far too many times to have you cop a "oh you just don't like it because it's a shitty sequel" crap. The game sucks. I'm sure GELB-1 will run in here to spirit some kind of defense, but the fact of the matter is that plot that sounds interesting on paper and battle systems/scenarios that either hold up at one point in the game or just don't fucking matter is more than enough to call this game a piece of crap.

Don't theory up a defense for Chrono Cross, because the game is fucking garbage and mediocre at best.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4

I have engaged in the debate far too many times to have you cop a "oh you just don't like it because it's a shitty sequel" crap. The game sucks. I'm sure GELB-1 will run in here to spirit some kind of defense, but the fact of the matter is that plot that sounds interesting on paper and battle systems/scenarios that either hold up at one point in the game or just don't fucking matter is more than enough to call this game a piece of crap.

Don't theory up a defense for Chrono Cross, because the game is fucking garbage and mediocre at best.

So basically you're proving my point that the game gets ripped on too much. I'm not saying it's brilliant. It's not. It's middling. It's a middling game I really enjoyed, but it's not nearly as bad as the fandom makes it out to be. They treat it like it's Paladin's Quest.

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The level of garbage spewing is kinda funny, because there's some decent or better elements to the thing, some of which deserve at least a little praise. It's hard to fault the game as complete crap even if you dislike the (admittedly poor) often hated on elements like the execution of the plot or over saturation of party members.

Middling is pretty much the proper response, there's no real way to claim it's complete garbage and not look like a total nut job. But wai-oh hi Rotor.

FELIPE NO

Feel free to point out those "great" things to me, because that's me being courteous and not saying "Shit was done better in other games already." The only thing I'd give note to Chrono Cross was the Dead Sea, the "THEORY" behind Field Elements, and the soundtrack.

The game is shit.

When I say it's crap and you guys want to go "BUT IT'S NOT DIARRHEA", it's worth a chuckle.

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Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4

Feel free to point out those "great" things to me, because that's me being courteous and not saying "Shit was done better in other games already." The only thing I'd give note to Chrono Cross was the Dead Sea, the "THEORY" behind Field Elements, and the soundtrack.

The game is shit.

When I say it's crap and you guys want to go "BUT IT'S NOT DIARRHEA", it's worth a chuckle.

Here you go again with your universalist bullshit. Sure things were done better in other games. But just because someone else does it well doesn't mean it sucks in everything else.

The world is not made up of extremes, Rotor. One day you'll figure this out and you'll be a lot less worked up.

The game was fun, had unbelievable music and played well. Get over the fact you don't like it and realise you're reacting like a child. We're not saying it's terrible or great, we're saying you're reactionary and kind of proving our point about how people treat the game like it killed the jews. It just didn't. I get you need to pound your chest in game discussions. I understand that. But lighten up, sport. The game just wasn't that bad.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4

Feel free to point out those "great" things to me, because that's me being courteous and not saying "Shit was done better in other games already." The only thing I'd give note to Chrono Cross was the Dead Sea, the "THEORY" behind Field Elements, and the soundtrack.

The game is shit.

When I say it's crap and you guys want to go "BUT IT'S NOT DIARRHEA", it's worth a chuckle.

Pretty sure we had this discussion at a very LONG LENGTH on the ol' xbawks chat just a couple weeks ago. Do you recall nothing of that conversation? I remember coming to a consensus that it wasn't complete gutter trash, and that the redeeming values were not drowned in the garbage.

Also it is more like Vanilla pudding instead of chocolate. Not the best alternative, but it's not tapioca either.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3

The game was fun, had unbelievable music and played well. Get over the fact you don't like it and realise you're reacting like a child. We're not saying it's terrible or great, we're saying you're reactionary and kind of proving our point about how people treat the game like it killed the jews. It just didn't. I get you need to pound your chest in game discussions. I understand that. But lighten up, sport. The game just wasn't that bad.

I'm not, really. You'd love to paint it that way, but I'm not the one going "oh you", now am I? But this is where I point out 'you're not taking me seriously!', right? Do me a favor: Realize that, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I've been here before, so it's quite possibly just the tedium of arguing about what I feel and am willing to argue is such a shitty game... again. I could say the game isn't fun as much as you could say it is fun, because that aspect of video games, enjoyment, is a personal one. There are folks out there who like WakuWaku7 or King of Fighters 2000. That doesn't make the core game or even the "experience" good, well put together, and in the latter's case... well, enjoyable depending on if you actually find competition.

Maybe it's fun to you, but pulling that in this kind of discourse is what's childish, as much as I feel like I'm holding you at arm's length while your childish limbs try to pull the wool over my eyes with some personal shit you happen to know about me. That's all well and good, I can deal with that. If you want a personal account on a guy playing Chrono Cross, I actually fell asleep playing it. I don't know many games that bored me that badly, especially at 11:00am on a Saturday. I could gather in those who think the same as I do, and man, I sure bet that'd prove my point. Or I could ask loaded, cyclical questions like "Would you play it again?"

Again, you can call it whatever you want, Deni: But I'm asking you to prove what was great or redeemable in some fashion as a whole. The story is disjointed and poorly told, which is a strike against RPGs last I checked. Like I need to tell anyone who's played it that it gets plot dumped on you at the last 5 minutes of the game. The Dead Sea was an awesome event, so was the Miguel fight... but how many other moments in the game were like that? Wandering aimlessly, gathering worthless character after worthless character.

Combat was a snore, because for the most part, you could ignore the Element System outside of certain areas. I liked it when Xenogears did the point attack system, because it didn't come with the element/skill system so poorly added on. In theory, it's great... in practice, nope, not really anything special.

It was interesting, again, in theory, to have so many characters as if the game designers were trying to convey the feeling that each character was supposed to have a small piece of the scenario dedicated to them in some fashion to convey the world in an interesting manner... but frankly, that shit falls apart because the majority of them are ciphers and/or completely uninteresting save for a handful. Sprigg, Starky, El Greco, Grobyc... god, I can't even remember the majority of the 44 characters in the game because the bulk of them were so forgettable.

The dimension jumping probably would have been suited better if the game didn't take place in the same set of isles just outside of Zenan or what have you. The best part was learning that a piece of jerky is what caused Porre to conquer Guardia. That'll teach you to be altruistic.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

So we have no actual disagreement. The only problem is that you don't think the soundtrack and final story arc save the game and I do.

I still say you're pulling a reverse FF VII and spending too much time loathing a game that was pretty middling, but you're not going to change your perspective on it, and you're sure as fuck not going to change mine.

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If the story were better told, I'd more than accept that it'd save the game. Because it does, on paper. The thing is, I didn't need Chrono Trigger to grow up with me... I think the expectation that what happened makes it "okay" is pretty slapstick. You know, the fact we're seeing a Chrono Trigger DS and not a Chrono Cross PS3/360 is where it's evident shit is wrong.

Chrono Trigger is as close to perfection as some RPGs can get. Square wants money and I'd just as soon want Square to make up for 1999/2000 and the shit many of us saw. There is no middle ground, I agree. I agree there's some cool shit in Chrono Cross, but I will never say that game is "good" or "fun to play." It all just depends on your disposition in that regard, so I'm willing to say there's a bias in me. But I sure as fuck won't let someone waltz in and go "Those people are crazy for saying that, the game is great! I liked it!" I called out the "making the connection" shit, because frankly... the game connected to it, the "experience" is just so disappointing and meandering. It's the very definition of wasted potential.

I swear, the only thing keeping my hands from clasping the necks of post creators like that is the monitor and internet between us.

Chrono Trigger doesn't need a remake, and what bothers me is doing this first, when Chrono Cross deserves another chance.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4

If the story were better told, I'd more than accept that it'd save the game. Because it does, on paper. The thing is, I didn't need Chrono Trigger to grow up with me... I think the expectation that what happened makes it "okay" is pretty slapstick. You know, the fact we're seeing a Chrono Trigger DS and not a Chrono Cross PS3/360 is where it's evident shit is wrong.

Chrono Trigger is as close to perfection as some RPGs can get. Square wants money and I'd just as soon want Square to make up for 1999/2000 and the shit many of us saw. There is no middle ground, I agree. I agree there's some cool shit in Chrono Cross, but I will never say that game is "good" or "fun to play." It all just depends on your disposition in that regard, so I'm willing to say there's a bias in me. But I sure as fuck won't let someone waltz in and go "Those people are crazy for saying that, the game is great! I liked it!" I called out the "making the connection" shit, because frankly... the game connected to it, the "experience" is just so disappointing and meandering. It's the very definition of wasted potential.

I swear, the only thing keeping my hands from clasping the necks of post creators like that is the monitor and internet between us.

Chrono Trigger doesn't need a remake, and what bothers me is doing this first, when Chrono Cross deserves another chance.

Hey, I agree. I'd rather see a CC remake that fixed a lot of the broken stuff. But we both know CT will sell much better. So that's what they do.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4

You know, the fact we're seeing a Chrono Trigger DS and not a Chrono Cross PS3/360 is where it's evident shit is wrong.

That has more to do with SNES ports being quick, dirty, easy money that we nostalgia faggots eat up in droves than anything else. I mean, shit. Worked well on the GBA, why not, right? I wouldn't take it as Square saying "shitsux" by any stretch.

FELIPE NO

It's like breaking the rules at school, man. Principle.

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Hmmmm, I didn't really plan on getting this originally since I have the PS1 port. I understand that this would probably not have the abyssmal load times, but the new content is the only thing that really makes it worth it to me.

I guess it's only fitting I buy another copy of the game I used to come up with my internet alias.

As for the talk about Chrono Cross. I'll leave that alone, I personally hated it but enough people rip on it as it is.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Chrono Trigger orchestral music samples

Square Enix Music Online :: Video Game Music News

Quote:

Square Enix have released samples of the two full orchestra pieces arranged and recorded for the DS remake of Chrono Trigger. They can be heard in the 'Trailer & Music' section of the official site. The TGS 2008 PV features the Chrono Trigger main theme and the Chrono Trigger Orchestra Extra Soundtracks features parts of the Chrono Trigger medley. It also features Japanese interview with composer and sound director Yasunori Mitsuda.

The Chrono Trigger Orchestra Extra Soundtracks will be released with pre-orders of the game in both Japan and the USA. The disc will feature the orchestral main theme and the medley. The medley consists of "Premonition", "Guardia Millenial Fair", "Wind Scene", "Kaeru's Theme" (Frog's Theme), "Battle with Magus", "Epilogue ~To Good Friends~" and "To Far Away Times".

http://www.chronotrigger.jp/

My laptop is having trouble running the videos from the site due to summer heat here in Aus. Can anyone do some audio rips from the interview and the TGS 2008 PV?

If not, then I like to request that someone who manages to get the CD on the 20th, please make some WAV rips of them.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

the game rom is out already everyone, I'm currently playing it, the music has been refined with new synthesizer and it's excellent.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I'd recommend that nobody clicks this spoiler unless they want a piece of new content completely and utterly fucking ruined for them (as it was for me).

Spoiler:

No, really.

Spoiler:

Time Devourer?

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Looks like it, Krel. Actually, could someone just confirm how Frog talks in this game?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by KrelEN

I'd recommend that nobody clicks this spoiler unless they want a piece of new content completely and utterly fucking ruined for them (as it was for me).

Spoiler:

No, really.

Spoiler:

Time Devourer?

So Square wants to pull another George Lucas like they did with the extra scene in the PS1 port of Chrono Trigger, eh?

Despite its overindulgent convolution and largely forgettable cast, I actually liked Chrono Cross. It's not at Chrono Trigger's level but I enjoyed the colorful locales and some of the story elements. Yet Chrono Cross was hardly a direct sequel except for the late game twist that came out of left field. I guess all that's left to do is add some new dialog to Chrono Trigger so as to better lead up to its story.

"Oh wow, I can't believe I didn't pick up on that detail before! It all makes sense now as one incredibly deep story!"

*sigh*

How ya doing, buddy?

I have a theory regarding this new ending and the players shown to be involved. Hopefully this is enough text to block the preview aaaaaand:

Spoiler:

Crono, Marle, and Frog have been shown in the preview pictures along with Magus in front of a Time Portal. I'd easily wager that they fight that new final boss, end up losing even though they drop its HP. Crono and Marle disappear, Frog possibly gets corrupted or something and starts murdering people with the Masamune... bam, instant link to Chrono Cross.

THAT, or Crono and Marle and Frog succeed and save Schala and Chrono Cross never happens. Either way, I see the former happening rather than the latter. Which I'll just feel free to call stupid because Chrono Cross is garbage.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by MuppeTFuckeR

Chrono Trigger DS: The Arena of the Ages Chrono Trigger DS: The Lost Sanctum Chrono Trigger DS: The Dimensional Vortex

I have to ask this - are those from the actual game or some horrible DS emulator? The graphics look like they've gone through some extremely ugly unfiltered scaling.

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It's YouTube, chief.

Jam it back in, in the dark.