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Old May 29, 2006, 04:08 AM #201 of 356
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I was kind of surprised with Xavier. Just the way he talked to Wolverine rather venomously at points shocked me since I never really knew an incarnation of Xavier that was ...well...mean. Not that it really bothered me, just something that stuck with me when I saw it because I didn't expect it.
In a sea of out of character moments in this movie, Professor X was probably the biggest asshole out of anyone. It was even worse when

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in response to her promotion to team leader (once again, in an attempt to appease Haley Barry's bitching), Storm asks about Cyclops, to which the professor pretty much answers "fuck him". No sympathy at all for the man who has been both a surrogate son and the most loyal student he will ever have.


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Old May 29, 2006, 05:07 AM #202 of 356
I really disagree with that. Professor X was not out of character at all. If anything he was frantic and knew of the danger jean would become. He was right for what he did. As you see in the movie, Wolverine's views of how things should go down was not the most pleasant.

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Old May 29, 2006, 01:33 PM #203 of 356
Movie was awesome. Infinitely better than lets say, Silent Hill.

Really loved the last scene when Wolverine walks up to Jean and of course the Juggernaut, bitch.

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Old May 29, 2006, 01:52 PM Local time: May 29, 2006, 11:52 AM #204 of 356
Originally Posted by Hantei
Lol and what was up the Prince look on Arclight? That was so wrong. Man, it was so hard to tell if she was a guy or a girl. I mean if they didn't show breasts I would have mistaken her for a guy, a really homosexual looking guy.
Yeah, I kept wondering who "That fruity guy with the dumb haircut was" until I actually saw her full view and thought "Holy crap! It's a man-woman!"

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Did anyone else notice how it went from sunset as Magneto was moving the bridge and dropping it down to it being about 10pm as his army rushes the troops? Did I lose time or was there some sort of continuity error going on?


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Old May 29, 2006, 06:37 PM Local time: May 29, 2006, 05:37 PM #205 of 356
Originally Posted by Koneko
Yeah, I kept wondering who "That fruity guy with the dumb haircut was" until I actually saw her full view and thought "Holy crap! It's a man-woman!"
That thing was very, very disturbing. I looked at preview pictures on the web and totally didn't realize that thing was a chick until I read that the character was a woman.

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Did anyone else notice how it went from sunset as Magneto was moving the bridge and dropping it down to it being about 10pm as his army rushes the troops? Did I lose time or was there some sort of continuity error going on?
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I think they made it like that because of the dark weather that Storm caused, but visually it did make it seem like 5 hours had suddenly passed...


Overall, I liked it, but I don't think you'd get as much out of it if you hadn't watched the first three movies. Knowledge of the comics also helps. I looked all the characters up on Wiki first, otherwise it would have been more confusing. I actually don't mind that they didn't develop all the characters - do they in any film? The only thing that I thought was cheesy about having hundreds of mutants is that during the battle at the end, they really didn't show any of their mutant powers, except for the very main ones. So, that scene didn't have impact, for me. Still, a great film.

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I thought it was weird how they just killed off Scott, without even showing it. I mean, what a throw-away character. Still, he was even kind of a throw-away in X-men 2 since he was captured for most of the time! They definitely did some things that can't be undone.


Also, if they really had a "cure" for mutants, this is how it would pan out in reality:

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It would have been put into the drinking water, into food, vaporized and put into the air... there would have been no way to escape it. Sure, they made it seem at first like there wasn't much of it, but then at the end suddenly there are like bazillions of gallons of it.


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Old May 29, 2006, 07:40 PM Local time: May 29, 2006, 07:40 PM #206 of 356
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He was right for what he did.
Professor X was destroyed by a monster of his own creation, which had already killed his surrogate son, and goes on to kill several mutants and many humans.

How does that make the Professor right?

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Old May 29, 2006, 08:12 PM #207 of 356
A fist fight broke out during the previews because some parent's kids were using a laser pointer on the screen. Some hillbilly fatass got agitated and went up into the top row where they were sitting and started having words. Then said parent shoves said hillbilly and fists begin flying. I can honestly say I've never seen anything like that at a movie theatre.

The movie was ok. Still, the charade before the movie was more of an event. They totally ruined the Magneto character, and killed off Cyclops needlessly. The action was certainly the best of the 3 films, though.

Too many mutants, not enough story.

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Old May 29, 2006, 08:22 PM #208 of 356
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Professor X was destroyed by a monster of his own creation, which had already killed his surrogate son, and goes on to kill several mutants and many humans.

How does that make the Professor right
How is that his fault? He tried stopping the Phoenix, not letting it make up its own mind. As stated in the film, Phoenix was a crazy, being controled by her unlimited power, not compassion or reason.

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Old May 29, 2006, 08:25 PM #209 of 356
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How is that his fault? He tried stopping the Phoenix, not letting it make up its own mind. As stated in the film, Phoenix was a crazy, being controled by her unlimited power, not compassion or reason.
However, Phoenix was created by the professor's blockades in Jean Grey's mind. There was no Phoenix when Xavier first encountered Jean Grey, he simply feared that her unconcious use of her power was dangerous and decided to try to block off that portion of her mind. In doing so he created the split personality Phoenix which dominates Dr. Grey in X3.

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Old May 29, 2006, 10:48 PM #210 of 356
Thats not true. Perhaps you should watch the movie over again. he states how when jean was young she had a split personality that called itself the Phoenix that let her powers control her. His blocks put the phoenix to sleep.

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Old May 29, 2006, 10:49 PM #211 of 356
I'll leave it at this

I did not pay to see X-Men 3 - but I would like my money back

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Old May 30, 2006, 01:15 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 01:15 AM #212 of 356
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Thats not true. Perhaps you should watch the movie over again. he states how when jean was young she had a split personality that called itself the Phoenix that let her powers control her. His blocks put the phoenix to sleep.
Horseshit. Xavier states that he calls it the Phoenix, and that her unused subconcious powers developed its own personality behind his mental blocks.

Xavier sealed Jean's powers because he was afraid that her inability to control them would harm people, but he did so without her consent, and in doing so creates the Phoenix, and fucks over the X-men.

Yet for this sin, Charles faces no punishment, no atonement. The sacrifice he makes is rendered meaningless by the end credits.

Fuck that shit.

Also, an adendum. I was wrong about Spike. I thought I might have been, but Porcupine is actually Kid Omega, and he has the powers of the fucking Quill. So not only did the movie have too many mutants, it couldn't even get their powers right. They might as well have replaced him with the fucking Toad.

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Old May 30, 2006, 01:46 AM #213 of 356
A friend of mine described this movie very poignantly as "the best piece of crap [he'd] ever seen."

As someone who never read the comics, I can't really point out the (seemingly many) inaccuracies, but what I can say is that while it wasn't overtly bad, it wasn't very good either. I hated Storm.
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And Cyclops kicking the bucket so early on really sucked.

As for the miscellaneous mutants . . . Kid Omega was really fucking lame. At one point, my boyfriend had to lean over and ask me if Arclight was a man or a woman. Vinnie Jones (Bullet-Tooth Tony, bitches!) was awesome as Juggernaut. And Kitty Pryde was adorable!

What the hell was up with Angel's actor? I mean, really. Isn't Angel supposed to be one of the founding members of the X-Men? So what was up with making him look like some kind of dickless soap star?

Also, I really missed Nightcrawler.

Overall, though. Meh. The extra scene at the end kind of fucked up the whole movie for me even more.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old May 30, 2006, 02:57 AM #214 of 356
Bradylama, seriously, see the movie again. In no such way did Xavier create Phoenix.

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:11 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 03:11 AM #215 of 356
Originally Posted by VitaPup
Bradylama, seriously, see the movie again. In no such way did Xavier create Phoenix.
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Old May 30, 2006, 03:13 AM #216 of 356
Like Logan put it... He caged the beast without there really being reasoning behind it. Thus creating resentment in Jean and making that side of her into the ragin beast.

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:22 AM #217 of 356
But at the time that he caged her, she wasn't as violent as she was in the end...

There could've been ways to tame the beast...

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:23 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 03:23 AM #218 of 356
The end result being a bunch of dead X-Men and other lesser peoples.

Thus bringing up yet another untouched upon idea, in that sometimes the evil thing to do is the right thing.

Magneto should've been the vehicle for this concept, but that sort of ruins the whole basis of the Suprehero/Supervillain dichotomy.

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:26 AM #219 of 356
I thought the ending was kind of weak.. I saw the meaning behind it
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dropping the king, meaning he is finished fighting


But still...come on..

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:34 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 03:34 AM #220 of 356
Has anybody considered the idea that Jean's "Destructive Side" was childhood immaturity? There's no suggestion that her lifting everything in the neighborhood is anything more than childhood mischief. There's no suggestion that it's being performed by anybody other than Jean.

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:42 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 03:42 AM #221 of 356
Nonono, silly girl. It hasn't failed to provide key plot points, it's up to the viewers to decide!

Nightcrawler who?

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:44 AM #222 of 356
I know the game was supposed to reveal why Nightcrawler isn't in X-men 3, but what was the real reason? Internal conflicts, or was Ratner simply incompetent to realize he was the most well received X-man from the previous movie?

Also, could someone tell me what reason the game gives for Nightcrawler's no-show in X3 (so I don't have to play it)?

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:50 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 03:50 AM #223 of 356
Apparently leaked versions of the script had two cameos from Gambit. Really, though, who gives a fuck? There's nothing else to suggest his absence other than a lame commercialization tie-in.

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Old May 30, 2006, 03:52 AM #224 of 356
Originally Posted by Devo
I think the problem with that argument is we really don't know when Xavier started performing his mind block procedures. We aren't given a peak into Jean growing up. Phoenix could have manifested afterwards but we just don't know. Again this movie seriously lacks follow through on its storylines.

The movie did lack quite a bit when it comes to filling in the plot holes.

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Old May 30, 2006, 04:07 AM Local time: May 30, 2006, 09:07 AM #225 of 356
Had they cut the ridiculous lines like "She was enclosed in a sphere of psychokinetic energy" and "We're X-men", and use the time to explain the plot better. They also did an extremely bad job animating the atomization which (as powerful as she is) is the only thing phoenix can do. It just looks like they made millions of triangles of random colours at random places and rendered them.

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