[Manga] Civil War Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Cheer Bear

Rumor is that CW causes the Fantastic Four to split up. The new FF is Torch, Thing, Storm and her hubby, Black Panther.

That doesn't sound like they're split up at all, only that Black Panther is included in the roster now.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Man, and post-war there's also World War Hulk! (which some people say is the summer comics event of the year). I'm also waiting for Silent War, but I think Silent War isn't caused by the events that happened in CW.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

From comicbookresources.com:

"CIVIL WAR" VS. THE WEST COAST: DIAMOND EXPLAINS DELAY
by Andy Khouri, Staff Writer
Posted: January 3, 2007

Word reached comics fans and retailers on Sunday that Diamond Comics Distributors would be shipping this week surprisingly fewer issues of “Civil War” #6 to west coast stores than were originally ordered, some by as much as 90% less. CBR News contacted Diamond as well as Marvel Comics, and has learned that poor weather conditions shut down crucial highways, consequently preventing numerous books from multiple publishers from reaching the Diamond warehouses that service west coast retailers (as well as stores in Australia and other territories).
Diamond Comics indicated to CBR News that a small quantity of “Civil War” #6 was received in time to be distributed this week, but that the remaining issues will be shipped next week. Marvel Comics Vice President of Sales-Publishing, David Gabriel told CBR News, “Diamond has been doing everything possible to make that those retailers affected will receive a portion of the books they ordered.”

When news of the delay broke, west coast retailer Brian Hibbs of Comix Experience posted on the Millarworld forum a plea to fans to “…just be a little patient, and not run all over town to try and grab a copy. Most comics shops have extremely tight cash flow, and have you down for ‘your' copy of ‘Civil War.' If you buy it somewhere else, your store still has to pay for that copy!”

On behalf of affected fans, Hibbs implored readers in other regions to not post reviews or spoilers of “Civil War” #6 until everyone else had received their copies.

“The situation stinks,” remarked Marvel's David Gabriel, adding, “I'm looking into doing something to help out those retailers who were affected… If it had been any other title involved, it wouldn't be such a terrible problem. We are taking steps to make sure something similar does not affect the launch of ‘Dark Tower: Gunslinger Born.'”
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Is anyone surprised?

xman25

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I've read a somewhat similar article on Newsarama. Well, if the cause of the problem is the weather, then it's nobody's fault. But then, CW #6 is late to begin with, and add the delay brought by the weather/transpo problem, I wouldn't be surprised to see some angry fans complaining about the delay.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Hantei

That doesn't sound like they're split up at all, only that Black Panther is included in the roster now.

So 1/2 the team changing doesn't mean they split up?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Cheer Bear

So 1/2 the team changing doesn't mean they split up?

How do you mean? Cause that's definitely how you worded it in your post, perhaps a rephrase please?

Originally Posted by Cheer Bear

The new FF is Torch, Thing, Storm and her hubby, Black Panther.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It's probably another plot twist in the FF canon. Reed's probably in hiding after the CW fiesta. That, or he joined the French team Thing is currently with.

FELIPE NO

Ok, this is getting ridiculous.

Quote:

January 8, 2007 - You wouldn't know it since there was no press release, but Marvel Comics appears to have indicated through its website that Civil War #7 will be delayed by approximately one month. The final issue of Marvel's year-spanning event is now scheduled for release on February 21, 2007.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I'm not surprised, Marvel tends to do that a LOT. Damn.. Feb. 21 is so far away.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Here is the official release on the delay:
(from comicbookresources.com)

MARVEL ANNOUNCES NEW "CIVIL WAR" #7 PAGE COUNT & RELEASE DATE
by Arune Singh, Staff Writer
Posted: January 9, 2007

Official Press Release

The critically- and commercially-acclaimed universe-altering limited series is coming to a close, bursting with some of the most intense action and plot twists ever. Literally. While Marvel regrets the final late shipping of the issue, we are pleased to announce that there will be extra pages added at no additional cost. The final, in-store arrival date for Civil War #7 is February 21.

Says series editor Tom Brevoort, “CIVIL WAR #7 has topped out at 28 pages of story content—six more than a normal comic. As such, we need to block in a little bit more time to make sure that Steve can get it done—especially since these are some of the most difficult pages in the entire series to draw from a number-of-characters-on-the-page perspective.”

Now, to help tide you over until the final issue comes out, here is a look at the unseen cover to Civil War #7, by series artist Steve McNiven.

In addition to extra pages, Civil War is getting a shocking epilogue issue, CIVIL WAR: THE CONFESSION, brought to you by the Eisner-winning team of Brian Michael Bendis & Alex Maleev- the team that brought you the Civil War prequel New Avengers: The Illuminati. RETAILERS NOTE: this item is not in the Marvel Order Form. Please use the item code NOV068200.

The Final checklist with final shipping dates are below. To help fans and retailers, Marvel will provide retailers with an adslick that they can download showing the new cover and the updated checklist. Check the Marvel retailer pages for this by visiting https://retailer.diamondcomics.com/main/marvel/

FANTASTIC FOUR 542 17-Jan-07
CIVIL WAR: THE RETURN 24-Jan-07
MOON KNIGHT 7 24-Jan-07
PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL 3 24-Jan-07
BLACK PANTHER 24 31-Jan-07
CIVIL WAR: BLACK PANTHER WAR CRIMES (21-23) 07-Feb-07
CIVIL WAR: CASUALTIES OF WAR One-Shots (IRON MAN/CAPTAIN AMERICA, WAR CRIMES, WINTER SOLDIER) 14-Feb-07
AMAZING SPIDER-MAN 538 21-Feb-07
CIVIL WAR 7 21-Feb-07
CIVIL WAR POSTER BOOK 21-Feb-07
FANTASTIC FOUR 543 21-Feb-07
MOON KNIGHT 8 21-Feb-07
BLACK PANTHER 25 28-Feb-07
CIVIL WAR: FRONT LINE 11 28-Feb-07
CIVIL WAR: THE INITIATIVE 28-Feb-07
CAPTAIN AMERICA 25 07-Mar-07
CIVIL WAR: BATTLE DAMAGE REPORT 07-Mar-07
MARVEL SPOTLIGHT: CIVIL WAR AFTERMATH 07-Mar-07
CIVIL WAR: THE CONFESSION 14-Mar-07
MOON KNIGHT 9 21-Mar-07

CIVIL WAR: THE CONFESSION (NOV068200)

Written by BRAIN MICHAEL
Pencils & Cover by ALEX MALEEV

From the Eisner Award winning team that brought you the start of CIVIL WAR with the NEW AVENGERS ILLUMINATI SPECIAL comes this heart-wrenching finale that cannot be missed. Two of the Marvel heroes most affected by the shocking conclusion of the war get together one last time. What is said between them will set the course of the Marvel Universe for years to come. This is the confession. Alex Maleev unveils another new fantastic art style especially for this very emotional and shocking issue.
Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC 2/22/07, On-Sale 3/14/07

CIVIL WAR #7 (OF 7) (SEP062101)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
It all ends here! The startling battle that will determine the future of the Marvel Universe!
Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC 2/1/07 , On-Sale 2/21/07

CIVIL WAR #7 (OF 7) TURNER VARIANT (SEP062102)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC 2/1/07 , On-Sale 2/21/07

CIVIL WAR #7 (OF 7) TURNER SKETCH VARIANT (SEP062103)
Written by MARK MILLAR
Pencils & Cover by STEVE MCNIVEN
Rated T+ ...$2.99
FOC 2/1/07 , On-Sale 2/21/07

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Aw man that cover looks sweet! Pretty much boils down to just Cap and Iron Man. The delay news sucks, but the additional pages news is great! Means it's gonna be done right, and won't get cut short.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

At least they're making up for the delay.

(can't wait for new Maleev art!)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Civil War 7 was finally released and....

Spoiler:

what a letdown it was. I can't believe it just ended like that. It was quite anticlimactic. Sure, McNiven's art was great, and there were a few golden moments - Spidey owning 5 people at once and Hercules wrecking Clor come to mind - the ending was just so... boring. I consider the ending worse than Inifinite Crisis (which I hated) because I was expecting so much more.

At least we have a ridiculous amount of good stories that can be followed up on. We just have to hope that they don't pull a House of M and write nothing but terrible follow ups. The potential for epic stories in the 616 is at an all time high.

Finally, with Cap now in prison, who the heck is taking over the Ronin mantle in the (new) New Avengers (see the latest issue, 27 I think)? Echo is part of the team as herself, and we've got Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Spidey, Dr. Strange, Spiderwoman and Wolverine on the team. I don't think it's going to be Daredevil. Maybe it's that asian dude that is a friend of Iron Fist (I forget his name) or Dr. Strange's sidekick?

I was speaking idiomatically.

CW7 is such a disappointment. Fucking Millar. Like 'nuggle said, the ending was total crap. I mean, what the hell? I think they rushed this fucking thing just so they can end it and get on with continuity. Millar's a good writer, he could have done better than a boring ending like that. But yeah, at least there's good follow-up stories. The Spider-Man tie-in is a lot better than Civil War, at least it made sense.

Also new Ronin is actually

Spoiler:

Punisher

How ya doing, buddy?

I don't know why I didn't think of that. It could work, but then again the rest of the heroes seem to dislike that man. Is this a guess of yours?

RE Amazing Spider-Man 538 - it was lame how they plugged CW7. The issue was way too long. Nothing happened until the last two pages. Actually, I'll admit, the stuff with Fisk in prison was interesting, but I really could have gone without the 2-3 pages showing the sniper fall asleep. LAME.

FELIPE NO

The guess came from the most (un)reliable source, 4chan. But I thought it's interesting, and that it might work.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Based on what I've heard about the direction of the new team, I think he could fit. They're billing Ronin as a character that is trying to change his or her ways, so maybe the events of CW7 have made that man turn over a new leaf?

How ya doing, buddy?

Perhaps, but then that means Punisher will be more of a "superhero", and less of a "vigilante". And I think majority of the readers like him to be more of a vigilante rather than to be tagged as one of the "non killing" heroes.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Ya, which is why I believe that he might not be Ronin. Also, the little bit of speech that Ronin had in the latest issue of New Avengers definitely didn't sound like it was coming from the mouth of the Punisher.

Props on the new av/sig. That new series is dope.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

At first, I thought the world had gone completely mad when I read that people actually enjoyed CW7's ending. Thank goodness this place has some sanity left. But anyway, I thought Hercules had the best scene.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

At least we still have the Spidey-led underground resistance movement (i.e. New Avengers) to look forward to.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Oh man, I agree with you guys completely, the ending was a complete let down. It was like they just cut it off, definitely felt like a piece was missing somewhere. Though, at the same time the ending of the war was inevitable and predictable. The issue had some good moments (eg. Hercules' scene and assist from an unlikely hero), but the abrupt end was meh.

Also, anyone else find that NcNiven's work for this issue was somewhat inconsistent? If anything the coloring definitely took a hit. Panels, not pages (though, there were some of that too), that were just inconsistent. Hell, the last few pages looked like crap compared to the previous issues.

Clearly a rushed issue. Oh well, looking forward to these post-war follow up tie-ins. As that's probably where a chunk of the closure is destined to be.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Does anybody know what the big secret that Ben Ulhric discovered in Civil War Frontline was? I never ended up finishing that series and I'd like to know.

FELIPE NO

I missed issues 8-10 of Front Line, but from the synopses I read, Ben Urich's fed. friend, Dan, suspected someone was manipulating Norman Osborn's nanobots and that Tony Stark was using the "war" to generate money. (This scene takes place at the Atlantean hideout that the Green Goblin bombed.)

These aren't really secrets, if you ask me, considering they've been addressed in other tie-in issues.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Civil War Frontline #11 comes out this week. That will be the conclusion to this whole sordid mess, I guess.

Jam it back in, in the dark.