[Movie] LOST

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.....Wow. Dave almost had me going there for a minute.

Only for a minute of course. After all, what in the hell would Sun and Jin represent in Hurley's psyche?

I do wish the show didn't try to play up the obvious revelation about Dave with all the music and such. I mean, DUH. It would've been better if they kept you wondering if Dave really was real.

While I'm sure Henry was being truthful about not pushing the buttons, and about "him", I'm also certain he's acting more scared than he actually is.

Watching Hurley go E. Honda on Sawyer was the highlight, especially when he repeated all the names Sawyer gave him (on that note, Sawyer really needs to quit with the pet names for every single person. It got old a whole season ago).

Finally, Hurley should've just given all that food he stored to the people in the island. What a waste to just throw it all aside from that.

Finally, I think Eko might be the one to help bring Charlie back toward the path of redemption.

Also, the episode went on a little longer than usual, ending about five minutes later. I have to wait until South Park repeates later in order to catch it. Word of warning for those who might be taping this.

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Damn this shit was boring. I think I'm going to go take a nap. I could have just watched A Beautiful Mind/Fight Club/Identity.

The only significant development was what Henry said, yet a lot of people had already got the feeling that this was true anyway. The writers dismissed the "skinner box" theory that says the hatch is a big psychological experiment, so my logical guess is that not putting in the numbers does something but the consequences are not (yet) apparent.

Honestly I don't like this kind of anti-climactic development. It's sort of like the monster being ruthless killing machine and then being a big question mark, the tension is alleviated even if you are left with questions. If the hatch is and has been pointless this entire season, I feel pretty much duped, and not even in a good way.

So perhaps Mr. Friendly aka Zeke isn't even the boss of what's going on. Henry made it seem like there was a massive hierarchy of evil.

Oh and Libby was in the crazy house. Mediocre twist at best.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

OSNAP. Libby a crazy bitch.. like Ziyi Zhang in every movie.

Mista Eko (his rapper name) made a cameo today. What the fuck is he building?

Hurley gourding Sawyer was awesome. It was great to see everyone else watching and laughing. That was classic.

In any case, we're back to typical Seaosn 2 Mode. Nothing's happening.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I thought that being toward the end of the season would mean no filler at all, but I was totally wrong.

I guess what got me about Dave is that I wasn't buying it. After Henry, they're going to have to step up their game because it's going to be way harder to dupe audiences now that we know to what extent it can go. Dave had me going for a while he mentioned the numbers, but then I quickly slapped myself and said NOPE don't fall for it. Also he ruins his own premise with the idea that the whole show is Hurley's dream. Were the writers even trying to fool us or what.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I thought this episode was very well done. I guess it all depends how interested you are in Hurley's character. I knew the guy was a whale, but I didn't think his weight could actually kill someone. :doh:

And I'm going to take a guess and say that Eko is building a confessional. I notice he's not very talky when it comes to religious things.

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Also he ruins his own premise with the idea that the whole show is Hurley's dream. Were the writers even trying to fool us or what.

I think they were just trying to dispell a common theory.

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I don't see why they would want to do that.

If I wrote a show carried hugely by it's mystery, the last thing I'd want to do is kill off theories. I'd be like, let the dumbasses theorize as much as they want! The more bogus theories, the longer the show will be able to last.

I wonder at what point in the shoe will there be enough clues for people to accurately solve the mystery. Right now there are too few. But during season four or five, will people figure it out?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Actually, just because all the secrets of the island are revealed doesn't mean the show should end. They could always focus on the survival aspect of the show. Even if they know what's going on, they still need to find a way off the island.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

True, but I don't think they could do that for too many episodes (and actually have viewers) unless those eps are really good.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Actually, just because all the secrets of the island are revealed doesn't mean the show should end. They could always focus on the survival aspect of the show. Even if they know what's going on, they still need to find a way off the island.

That's just Gilligan's Island.

And from the beginning, J.J. Abrams was avoiding that.

In terms of figuring out the plot, I think we kinda all know what it's about.

Something with Alvar Hanso sponsoring the DeGroots, making this scientific compound on an island. Lots of electro-magnetic power, a security system monster of black cloud, bunch of "others" with a mission...

We know the framework of what's going to be revealed, we just don't know the purpose behind it. Could be preparation for a worldwide epidemic/war, could be random experiments, etc... Since all we're waiting for is this "purpose" to be revealed, a lot of the mystery and tension is gone from the series. It's grounded a lot more in reality and less with the "mysticism" that the island once had.

Ultimately, this Hurley episode was to poke fun at the lame cliche twist of "the entire show/movie is all in one character's dream." It's essentially the worst blunder you can pull as a writer, unless it's masterfully pulled off (see "Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" or "Jacob's Ladder". Bad examples are St. Elsewhere's ending and the season of Dallas that ended up being just a dream).

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I almost wanted to read Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge since it's supposed to be one of the "books" that enhance your understanding of Lost. Have you read it? The ending was spoiled for me a while ago and I was wondering if there's any mythos within the book that could make it worth reading.

The list of "books" goes on much longer. Supposedly Third Policeman is the one to read. Too bad there's a long queue for it at my local library (LOST fans or just interested people; other associated books remain on the shelves). If I had a few spare bucks I'd buy a copy.

Other books I'm trying to get a hold of include The Brothers Karamazov, Watership Down, Heart of Darkness, and Turn of the Screw. Also some book about a bridge of which I forgot the title. I'm especially interested in The Brothers Karamazov because supposedly many great minds (Einstein for ex) said it's an excellent book.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Eleo

I don't see why they would want to do that.

If I wrote a show carried hugely by it's mystery, the last thing I'd want to do is kill off theories. I'd be like, let the dumbasses theorize as much as they want! The more bogus theories, the longer the show will be able to last.

I wonder at what point in the shoe will there be enough clues for people to accurately solve the mystery. Right now there are too few. But during season four or five, will people figure it out?

Yeah but some theories are dumb. Like the idea of it being someones dream, which has been done before...so Im sure the writers wanted to just expel that completely. I dont get why people are complaining about the show. Just about every episode reveals something new...although it might not be what you want to know...its still new. Id rather them continue it on and on revealing a little at a time...even if its irrelevent. If they put out something that explains whats going on...it will lose viewers because a) certain people wouldnt like that they guessed wrong and b) some will lose interest.

I like the character development...even on characters I dont even like that much...like Sawyer. It lets you see them, and see what kind of person they are. Granted that some people bitch and moan because nothing major was revealed in certain flashbacks...they will just have to deal with it...or not watch it at all.

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True, but I don't think they could do that for too many episodes (and actually have viewers) unless those eps are really good.

Actually, it depends if the plot twists itself have any extra layers to it that would warrant continued viewing. For example, let's say in some other show, the major plot twist was discovering a bomb. The next episode would be just as interesting as you see how the main character disarms that bomb.

Same idea for Lost. They could reveal the twists, and then we could see how the characters handle the newfound revelation, or the repurcutions it could bring.

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Ultimately, this Hurley episode was to poke fun at the lame cliche twist of "the entire show/movie is all in one character's dream." It's essentially the worst blunder you can pull as a writer, unless it's masterfully pulled off (see "Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" or "Jacob's Ladder". Bad examples are St. Elsewhere's ending and the season of Dallas that ended up being just a dream).

Don't forget the movie "Identity". I find the whole "everyone is in the main character's head" angle very lame for a thriller. You completely lose interest in any of the characters living or not since none of them are real to begin with.

Then there's High Tension, which simply made no sense when you use logic (if she was the killer, how did she manage to smuggle in that huge van when she was in someone else's car?).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I liked Identity. People judge it with "this occurence is not real, so why should I care?" I find this to be dumb. The movie is not real, yet under normal circumstances we can still associate with totally fictional characters. But it dare not be a movie within a movie or it's suddenly invalid? I still don't get why people feel duped by this unless it's some kind of cop-out. In Identity, it wasn't a copout it was more of an unexpected twist. Furthermore I had an easier time dealing with it because these characters were the creation of the insane guy (forget his name; unimportant) and his imagination, so in a sense it was almost like watching several different aspects of himself in action.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

So you're saying you wouldn't mind the "everyone is a figment of one character's psyche" twist for Lost?

The thing about Identity is that it's primarily a thriller first. And it's the job of a thriller to create tension for the audience; we watch in amazement because we care about the characters' survival, since it is a genre where no one, not even children, are safe from being killed off.

But once the movie reveals that none of the characters are real to begin with, then any tension or sympathy is completely gone. We're no longer watching characters struggle to live, we're watching a fat guy struggle with his inner demons. In a drama like A Beautiful Mind, it works, but for a thriller, it completely cheapens the fear and tension that the movie was supposed to deliver in the first place.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I didn't say that I wanted to see it happen on LOST, mostly because it's cliche, at least in such a simple form.

What's real and what isn't is in your head, everything in life is perception - even if you don't share it with other people, reality is what you make of it.

When I found out that the characters in Identity were just figments of another character's imagination, I wasn't upset with it because I quickly realized that even though my view of them changed slightly, they were just as real as they ever were. In fact I was almost extra-afraid for them, fearing that they were in extra danger of being destroyed within someone's mind. I think the writers of Identity had the same thing in mind and were toying with this kind of philosophical concept that not everyone could tolerate. I believe this because they could have just as easily removed the insane dude from the script entirely. They did not choose to do this.

I can understand if people don't like Identity for the reasons you stated. I enjoyed it, however.

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For the record, I didn't think the movie was bad, even with the revelation. I just feel that the twist completely destroys any chances of a second viewing, unlike something like The Sixth Sense or Fight Club, where you can still have fun watching it again with the knowledge you gained from the ending. Identity fails to do this because the characters and the setting are all in "closed space", as it were.

Now if the characters actuallly "existed" in a real world inhabited with real people, it would've been more interesting.

Now to get back on topic, what Jack is going to attempt (or what it appears he's going to attempt) is going to be without a doubt the most boneheaded plan yet. You think it would be obvious to him that The Others aren't going to give in to a single demand of his, even if he has one of their own (and we still aren't sure of that) hostage. If anything The Others will try to kill Henry as soon as possible so to avoid letting any secrets slip.

FELIPE NO

Jack is a bonehead.

"Lets form an army."
"Let's go out into the jungle and shout."

I like how there still isn't even an army; nothing even CLOSE to it. If they intended to save it for the last few episodes of the season fine. If that's the case then they shouldn't have brought it up way earlier in the season only for all the characters to get sidetracked and completely ignore it. It's not even like they don't have time for it, it's almost like they're too lazy. Also, who's even in the army besides Jack and Ana.

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Man, you say this show was meant to dispel this common imagination of everyone in a dream, but I where did they end up making this theory false? It could have just been that I was bored, or that the recording stopped right in the middle of libbys and hurley conversation on the cliff.

By the way this show is =(

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Season 2 is =(. It kind of picked up with this whole Henry Gale plot and I was beginning to forgive it, but this past episode made me get pretty angry at it again.

If Season 3 is going to be like this, I can easily imagine ratings dropping pretty drastically. Right now I imagine lots of people sticking it out because the stakes are getting higher and we're toward the climax of the season.

(I heard the ratings already dropped quite a bit.)

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I think it's a shame that people aren't liking Season 2. I've found much more interesting things have happened this season than in Season 1 (bar the finale). I've found everything to do with the Hatch to be brilliant and the most interesting parts of the show (bar the character developement).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Apparently, everyone is flipping out because Libby was in the hospital, not at a DOCTOR, but as a patient.

Am I the only one who saw this coming from a fucking MILE away? I have MONEY on this with my friend. It was so obvious she wasn't actually a psychiatrist or whatever. I fucking hate Libby.

I also hate Jack a lot. "I have it under control." YEA, BUDDY. REAL controlled. Sayid just almost SHOT Henry. We'd have another repeat of "Fuck, I shot the only guy who held the potential of giving us info!"

I wasn't impressed at all. How many of you were convinced Henry was NOT an other? I mean, come on.

Additionally, I see why ratings are dropping. I loved this show when I saw it on DVD, and maybe thats why I am not loving it now. But GOD its getting worse. And I REALLY can't seem to make myself care about fucking HENRY at all.

In fact, I can't really bring myself to care much about the Others at ALL. Is anyone suffering this too?

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The Libby revelation is not as bad as the "revelation" that Locke was the one who hit Sayid over the head in the beginning of the first season.

It took them over 10 episodes to reveal that plot point, and everyone knew it was Locke from the beginning.

So, yeah. Her being a crazy bitch wasn't surprising, but not the first time that the show has been predictable.

Also, the Others were more awesome when they were killing people. That really needs to come back.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I want this whole army thing to come into fruition. But I still want Sawyer to be an asshole and not hand over the guns. I love Sawyer...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Eleo

Season 2 is =(. It kind of picked up with this whole Henry Gale plot and I was beginning to forgive it, but this past episode made me get pretty angry at it again.

Yeah, I feel the same way. After last episode's (ep 17) very very good and promising ending, you could have expected them to focus on the Henry Gale story (I'd like to see a flashback of him), but instead, this Hurley crap. I think it was a very very weak episode and the ending didn't surprise me that much, either.

FELIPE NO

Last week's was so god damn good, it's so disappointing to see this cookie-cutter "omg imaginary person lol" episode. Atleast they didn't totally fuck it up like High Tension. It was still pretty obvious all the way through that Dave was imaginary.

I was hoping for more hatch-related developments. One thing I don't like about this show is that there is NO COMMUNICATION between people on the island. If I was Locke, I would have been like "OMG YOU GUYS A FUCKING MAP" and tried to figure it out with everybody. I was hoping for that to get some discussion, but meh, no avail.

I don't think Henry is lying about the numbers either. I had a feeling all along that it was some sort of electromagnetic thing, and I'm just one step closer to being correct. I'd like to know where the ration drop fell from, but I'm sure it will be a long time before that's answered.

Personally, I was hoping for a more dramatic reveal as to what happens when the button isn't pressed. If Henry is in fact, not lying about it, it feels almost like a cop-out. I would have loved to have seen the numbers expire due to some retarded meddling between Jack and Locke, and then one of them runs to the computer, but it's too late. Lockdown! Then, they each are locked out from one another and we see what happens on both sides.

All I want at the end of this season is a good explanation on the monster. Come on Lost, only a few more to go, don't let me down!

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