[Movie] Transformers Movie (07-04-07)

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Oh wait, now it's going to be an hour and a half long commercial designed to sell new toys. Nothing more.

DID YOU ACTUALLY WATCH THE CARTOON?!?

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Originally Posted by Kurado

I also remember growing the fuck up and accepting the fact that Transformers was a cartoon that, as acid mentioned, had only one objective: SELL PLASTIC AND DIE-CAST METAL TOYS TO LITTLE KIDS. The plot was simple: Autobots blew up Decepticons and vice versa while trying to keep their war hidden from humans (Decepticons less so). It was a silly plot about alien robots and whatever but I didn't care. It was fucking awesome.

And by awesome, do you mean that they now have to change everything so that it is not awesome anymore? Because that is what they are doing.

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I grew up and it's still awesome, but I'm not going to lynch Bay or bash a film that hasn't even been released yet because of some creative character redesigns. As long as the characters RESEMBLE the originals I could care less about anything else. It's obvious the creative team behind the movie cares about TF, as they've gone so far as to try and get original voice actors casted for the movie rather than some shoddy big name actors.

Are the redesigns creative? Sure, I won't argue that. Do they resemble anything of the Transformers other than the fact that they change from one form to another? Nope. So in effect we have giant robots who happen to change to other forms that are in no true way resembling their namesakes. It's like they went and changed Superman into an electric blue version of himself...oh wait they tried that too, and it failed.

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And Acid, yes I did watch the cartoon. And it was good, if a bit simple. Truthfully, I enjoyed the original comics far more than the cartoon. More story in them, and far longer. But the characters in them grew beyond the "commercials" of the cartoon. If you ask a regular person who Optimus Prime was, they'd more than likely be able to tell you, and they'd describe him as a Red and Blue flatnose semi. If you showed them the movie picture, would they recognize that as Optimus? More than likely not.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I think what you've got going is just a personal vendetta against change. That's why you're probably typing all of this in the pants you wore in 5th grade and the underwear your mother bought for you in preschool. You're so uptight about evolution that you're probably still living in a cave, only now some people call it a INSERT BASEMENT JOKE.

Cool off, grow up, and accept the fact that what was cool in the '80s simply isn't all that rad today. Yes Optimus Prime will always be awesome, but a little redesign can't hurt. Rub your tits to sleep and relax; a chill pill is fine too.

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Originally Posted by Lord Jaroh

Do they resemble anything of the Transformers other than the fact that they change from one form to another? Nope. So in effect we have giant robots who happen to change to other forms that are in no true way resembling their namesakes.

Are you even reading my posts? There were Transformers after 1990. The only elements they shared were names, and that there were two groups of robots that change into other shit that fought each other. What makes this movie any different?

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Originally Posted by Kurado

I think what you've got going is just a personal vendetta against change. That's why you're probably typing all of this in the pants you wore in 5th grade and the underwear your mother bought for you in preschool. You're so uptight about evolution that you're probably still living in a cave, only now some people call it a INSERT BASEMENT JOKE.

Cool off, grow up, and accept the fact that what was cool in the '80s simply isn't all that rad today. Yes Optimus Prime will always be awesome, but a little redesign can't hurt. Rub your tits to sleep and relax; a chill pill is fine too.

Which is why you are the one throwing around insults like the "bad ass" in grade school? Maybe you should actually try and learn what growing up really means, beyond getting older.

I don't have a vendetta against change. I am against change when there is no reason for it. What was cool in the 80's is still cool today, which is why Hasbro rereleases the classic line or updates it with new, more posable versions. That version is still the best and they know it. It makes them the most money.

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Ha ha!

Here's why I don't like it: Bay isn't changing the designs just to shit on the fans, he's chaning the designs to fit with his new theme (which shits on the fans): that Transformers are these very alien things that have nothing in common with humanity and don't attempt to blend in with their technology very well. This is totally contrary to what Transformers (in all its incarnations) has been. Not to mention that in all of the new robot mode designs, you can't even tell what they're supposed to transform into until you see their vehicle mode, which is also contrary to the designs of Transformers. The vehicle modes should always heavily influence the design of the robots modes, not fail to have anything in common with them.

Other than those reasons, Prime looks unbefitting of a Prime. He looks more like Mech Warrior meets anorexic girl. Here's what makes Prime:



Massive. Hulking. Armor. He should be large and in charge, simple blunt surfaces, parts unexposed. Not the Mr. skeleton dude that is the new design. Take the new look and put more armor around it and then maybe we've got a deal, but as it is I just don't like it as Prime. Sure, it's a cool mech, but it's not Prime. Maybe I'll grow to like it, maybe I'll grow to hate it more, but my first impression as a Transformers fan is "no dice".

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Mobius One

Ha ha!

Here's why I don't like it: Bay isn't changing the designs just to shit on the fans, he's chaning the designs to fit with his new theme (which shits on the fans): that Transformers are these very alien things that have nothing in common with humanity and don't attempt to blend in with their technology very well. This is totally contrary to what Transformers (in all its incarnations) has been. Not to mention that in all of the new robot mode designs, you can't even tell what they're supposed to transform into until you see their vehicle mode, which is also contrary to the designs of Transformers. The vehicle modes should always heavily influence the design of the robots modes, not fail to have anything in common with them.

Other than those reasons, Prime looks unbefitting of a Prime. He looks more like Mech Warrior meets anorexic girl. Here's what makes Prime:



Massive. Hulking. Armor. He should be large and in charge, simple blunt surfaces, parts unexposed. Not the Mr. skeleton dude that is the new design. Take the new look and put more armor around it and then maybe we've got a deal, but as it is I just don't like it as Prime. Sure, it's a cool mech, but it's not Prime. Maybe I'll grow to like it, maybe I'll grow to hate it more, but my first impression as a Transformers fan is "no dice".

They don't attempt to blend in with humanity? Is that why they transform into semi trucks, pickups, sports cars, tanks, fighter jets, police cars, and Hummers? Yeah, you don't see those around very often.

Oh, and since you brought that picture up (ahem);

That's not G1 Prime! Heathens! They changed something!

See, that was annoying wasn't it. It was stupid, carried no weight, and was generally foolish. I wonder where I picked that up from?

Originally Posted by Lord Jaroh

And Acid, yes I did watch the cartoon. And it was good, if a bit simple. Truthfully, I enjoyed the original comics far more than the cartoon. More story in them, and far longer. But the characters in them grew beyond the "commercials" of the cartoon. If you ask a regular person who Optimus Prime was, they'd more than likely be able to tell you, and they'd describe him as a Red and Blue flatnose semi. If you showed them the movie picture, would they recognize that as Optimus? More than likely not.

And your point is what? That people won't instantly recognize that as Optimus?

I don't know about you, but I'd have to be damn near retarded to not figure out who that is by this pic:



How many big red/blue semi's do they have kicking around?

And if they still couldn't figure it out, they probably have little connection to the source material at all, and thus could give a shit if prime was a bumper-car.

How ya doing, buddy?

It may not be G1 Prime, but it is the best Prime design outside of G1. The War Within Cybertronian version represents Prime perfectly.

When I said "little attempt to blend in with humanity" I was refering to the robot mode, not the vehicle mode. As I said earlier, the point is that the Transformers are supposed to look like they could be built by whatever civilization's technology they're emmulating, even in robot mode. It has always been this way. Bay changes it just to for shits and giggles in order to make the movie "his vision" and not just Transformers on the big screen. He puts too much emphases on trying to make it MICHAEL BAY TRANSFORMERS. Really it should be TRANSFORMERS (btw, directed by michael bay).

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Originally Posted by Lord Jaroh

Which is why you are the one throwing around insults like the "bad ass" in grade school? Maybe you should actually try and learn what growing up really means, beyond getting older.

I don't remember any bad asses in grade school. I do remember the retards in college like you who couldn't let go of the past, still whining about the changes in remakes and adaptations that shouldn't be. It's called a creative license. Once somebody gets the rights to something, they have no obligation (unless noted by the original author on some special condition) to follow the original plot of the game, movie, TV show, whatever.

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What was cool in the 80's is still cool today

Really now.

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Originally Posted by Mobius One

that Transformers are these very alien things that have nothing in common with humanity and don't attempt to blend in with their technology very well. This is totally contrary to what Transformers (in all its incarnations) has been.

Christ, you stupid fuck. Beast Wars didn't have humans and didn't take on animal forms to blend in. Beast Machines was entirely on Cybertron and didn't blend in with anything. You even shoot yourself in the foot by having War Within Prime in your post, who didn't blend in with anything. Transformers is more than G1, you fucking retard.

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Hey, Alf is still cool. Really he is.

Is Terminator still cool?
Is Superman II still cool?
Is Indiana Jones still cool?
How about Aliens?
How about Full Metal Jacket?
There's also Airplane!, is that cool?

Sure not everything cool in the 80's is cool. But many things were, and still are.

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Cardboard boxes that you hide in are cool because Snake does it. Cardboard boxes that are supposed to be robots aren't as cool anymore. In the late '90s and the 21st century, we learned how to SHAPE metal. Apparently the denziens of Cybertron discovered the flexibility of metal as well.

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Originally Posted by Interrobang

Christ, you stupid fuck. Beast Wars didn't have humans and didn't take on animal forms to blend in. Beast Machines was entirely on Cybertron and didn't blend in with anything. You even shoot yourself in the foot by having War Within Prime in your post, who didn't blend in with anything. Transformers is more than G1, you fucking retard.

Sure it is. G1 is just the best of them all and the one that people relate the most to, that's all. If you can get past the schoolyard language you might even start to make some semi-coherent sense.

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And what sense is that? WOW. In THIS episode, Starscream's working against Megatron and sided with a human scientist with the delicious frame of a malnourished woman in a labcoat! There's not that much subplot and nothing particularly groundbreaking in the G1 Transformers TV plot (the movie was and still is god, however).

I think the best storylines I'd read involving Transformers were in yaoi fan-fiction between Optimus Prime and Megatron and the work Dreamwave produced before Pat Lee murderized his own company and fucked over his crew. War Within, the G1 series and even the GI Joe versus Transformers lines were all kinds of awesome. The characters were given more depth (though not too much, so they still felt cartoony, which ain't bad) and the plots were far better than anything the original G1 show produced.

On a side note, who's to say that these new Transformers don't use some kind of cloaking technology to better conceal themselves. Oh shit, did I open a whole new window of bitchery?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Mobius One

It may not be G1 Prime, but it is the best Prime design outside of G1. The War Within Cybertronian version represents Prime perfectly.

When I said "little attempt to blend in with humanity" I was refering to the robot mode, not the vehicle mode. As I said earlier, the point is that the Transformers are supposed to look like they could be built by whatever civilization's technology they're emmulating, even in robot mode. It has always been this way. Bay changes it just to for shits and giggles in order to make the movie "his vision" and not just Transformers on the big screen. He puts too much emphases on trying to make it MICHAEL BAY TRANSFORMERS. Really it should be TRANSFORMERS (btw, directed by michael bay).

So you take issue with the fact that they don't look like they could be made with earth technology. That the big robot with the gun from another planet populated by robots looking for energy for the planet populated by robots with guns doesn't look like he could realistically be made with earth technology. Alright. The idea that they have to look like current tech (which I do not recall EVER being an issue in the series) while in robot mode is moot anyways. It doesn't matter how much he looks like he was built on earth, if he's a 40 foot talking robot fighting with another, I'll fucking know he wasn't.

This whole argument is boiling down to nothing more than it's not exactly as you remember it. You're right, it's not. And you're right, I do actually like the classic design more than this new one. But by no means does the way it looks detract from the movie. The way that he looks it not going to take away from the fact that he's STILL Optimus Prime. He's going to sound the same, act the same, and still be the same robot. Just redesigned. If you won't go see the movie because of how he looks, you're not as big of a fan as you are acting to be.

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Originally Posted by Lord Jaroh

Sure it is. G1 is just the best of them all and the one that people relate the most to, that's all.

Have you even watched the fucking cartoon recently? Autobots in lab coats to hide by Humans? "B.O.T."?

It's a fucking '80s cartoon. There's absolutely no character development. Beast Wars was pretty much the best Transformers ever got, if only for the fact that characters actually developed and Megatron wasn't a whiny dumbass.

This is all irrelevant to the fact that you both are pretending that nothing after 1990 happened.

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If you can get past the schoolyard language you might even start to make some semi-coherent sense.

Shut the fuck up and stop being a sissy.

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So basically this movie will suck for big time fans of the series? Looks like I'll enjoy the movie then.

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To be honest, I can live with Prime's robot mode. The flames still look ugly and unecessary IMO, but I can tolerate his bot mode as a whole. Bumblebee looks alright, although his chest area seems a little disorganised to me. Still, I can see potential for it when it gets into full motion.

Blackout looks pretty badass and I like what how they handled the rotor-blades. He does look a little junky and messy in places, but overall he looks evil and mean as hell. Also, as a non-transforming minion, Scorponok looks pretty cool.

However, I don't like Starscream's design. It looks clumsy and messy to me. I think his chest could be a lot better designed so that he didn't seem like a large diamond with legs and arms sticking out awkwardly. I think it would work better if they took some of the mass from his chest and put it towards beefing up his legs a little bit. I also don't see how splitting the cockpit on his chest is supposed to aid his transformation. It seems like a unecessary non-functional split to me just for the sake of trying to make it look more complex.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Larger image of Blackout, without a retarded watermark:


And, uh,

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I just barely caught Michael in between takes. Among the things he mentioned:

1- They will be releasing more teaser posters in the coming months.

2- Paramount made studies and concluded that the TF "ANNOUNCEMENT" was the 2nd highest rated "teaser" this summer.

3.- They just finished shooting a lot of Pentagon interiors on a soundstage in scenes that involved many Chiefs of staff in their huge war room.

4.- Shia just was recently suspended over the edge of a 20 story building in a very dynamic and intense scene.

5.- The average transformation time from normal mode to alt mode and vice versa is about 3 to 4 seconds.

6.- The leaked pictures are legit (although a somewhat early rendering).

7.- Filming of massive chase scenes will begin in the following weeks.

8.- The CGI transformations by ILM are looking wicked and nastier every single day.

9.- Part 1 will be about why the transformers came to earth.

10.- This movie will be a new start for the live action franchise that will not be based on any particular TF TV series and/or comic book.

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Megatron pictures leaked!






It's very. Different. It's even a farther departure from the Optimus model (Which, I've actually grown to like a little). Still though, it's hardly going to keep me from seeing the movie.

Let people overreacting over an 80s cartoon begin!

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Hmm. While it looks cool, it doesn't feel like Megatron (the head does a LITTLE bit). He's a jet, though? I was hoping he'd at least be a tank or something.

If he's actually frozen in the Arctic for half the movie or something, then that would explain why he lacks a vehicle/gun mode for now. This is the only design I have a bit of a problem with, but like Acid, I'll be one of the first nerds in line come opening.

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Okay, what.

How the hell is that Megatron in any way? How the hell is that even a robot, period? It looks like something out of Halo. Isn't Megatron supposed to turn into a tank in this one?

Or maybe this is how they want him to look before he lands on earth. I guess that sort of makes sense, but still.

I was speaking idiomatically.

He's a robot alien. Why would he look like anything WE'D create.

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Hm. I think the Megatron design is just too convoluted.

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All I can think about when looking at most of these pictures.

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