[Wii] Super Smash Bros. Brawl Tournament Discussion

Saka's post was removed because I answered his question in a PM. It should be fairly obvious why this was reopened. No one here has flamed you directly (in this thread, journals are a different matter I have no control over.) Threads don't get closed because you don't want to end an argument with the last word. Just fucking ignore those people, Christ.

You're pissing a shit over stuff that's not flaming, but (at least in the case of me and Rotor), some honest criticism. It's not either of our faults that you can't take it and end up throwing a hissy fit here, son.

Personally, I was just trying to help. I saw that you WERE overcomplicating things, and all I wanted to do was help by suggesting you get this off the ground now, as opposed to drowning it in red tape and BS. I tried to assist you with an announcement. I tried (but failed due to permission sets) to add a poll for you. I'm not the bad guy here.

You have done nothing but interpret both mine and Rotor's comments incorrectly, and thrown a god damn shitfit in the process. I don't honestly give a fuck what rule set you've implemented. I'm not playing with you guys. So why would I? My point has obviously been completely missed.

While I speak for no one else, what I'm trying to do in this thread is help it along and to assist you. You clearly don't want any help, since you've had so much experience doing this before with thousands upon thousands of people, or something. So I retract what I said earlier. Go to fucking town.

FELIPE NO

I can't exactly get this off the ground since we don't really have enough people to run the whole tournament yet. It's been a little less than two weeks since Brawl has come out, and I wanted to wait until more people got it, so anyone who decides their interested in this could enter.

I never planned to start it immediately to begin with. I wanted to use this thread so we can plan out every aspect of the tournament/league so there would be no complaints and everyone would agree to everything that was set up. Instead, I get people complaining about how banning stages is unfair and getting constantly pressured to start this as soon as I can.

Sure, there was complication along they way, but that's pretty much the point of this thread. Sprout's idea of the rule card system was a discussion about how we could plan this out if we used it in the tournament. If we used it, this is how it would go. But since all I get are complaints that it's over complicating things, I'm forced to drop the idea even in the planning stages of this whole thing.

It's not like I never appreciated your help, Skills, but you were also one of the ones pressuring me to get this tournament somewhere. You kept saying the rules and stages debate was going nowhere, but it was basically the other non-participants who were making the participants discussion about the rules sound worse that they were. And as for Rotor, I finally call his "Pro Tip", and I still hear shit from him.

I'm really tired of people criticizing what this whole thread was about. Yes, we're debating about rules, but that's the fucking point of this thread. It's the Tournament Discussion thread so we could discuss EVERYTHING about the tournament at hand, not a "This isn't Smashboards and you sound like fags talking about banned stages" thread.

What I would appreciate is me being able to make a new thread where I won't hear anything about how stupid banning stages or leaving items on sounds stupid and I could strictly talk to the participants about what they want for the tournament. If I could get that, then maybe this tournament could actually get somewhere.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Clearly this calls for a new Tombstone Pizza Island.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

No stupid banning stages discussion. No stupid leaving items on discussion. FINAL DESTINATION.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I don't plan on participating but I'm going to butt in anyway.

The mindset behind organizing this seems to be to please all participants involved. Now, given that there are a significant amount of people interested, and perhaps more importantly that Smash Bros. is a game rooted in chance, chaos, and a boatload of different varieties of play styles, it seems fruitless to me to get people on the same page. How this thread has gone so far is proof enough of that. There is no one stage or item that every player wants to do away with.

I know that to say that everyone has an idea of what's fair also means that everyone has a preferred set of rules. So why don't you just assign a home and away team to each match up? Home team picks the rules. Whatever they want. No arguments. The end. Equal amount of home games for each participant. Who they end up against in them, random.

I think the only thing you'd need to set restrictions on would be ludicrously long battles, give the time and stock a ceiling.

edit: Just to clarify, by choosing the rules I don't mean anything outside of what can be set in game. No telling your competitors that everyone can only be Bowser or some stupid shit.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Is this the only tournament we'll be having? We could just have a test tournament for the hell of it and then work on the serious stuff in the next tournament. Learn what didn't work in the first one and then figure out what's good and what's not in the next tourney.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Alrighty, well Chaotic you're a cool dude and all and I respect what you're trying to accomplish here but just ignoring criticism because it's coming from people who aren't participating is retarded. It could be that the things they are criticizing are why they aren't participating. You should respect that too.

And in that case I think I may have to start a different kind of tournament myself since I'm not in agreement with all of your rules either.


My ideal tournament:

2 vs 2 if possible but as lag being as it is perhaps one on one matches are the only way.

4 stock 8 minutes is a good idea. It's a long enough battle and for the most part gives enough time for all lives to be expended.

All items normal/medium and all stages (random select) on. Yes, everyone hates the DK Climbing stage and New Pork City is huuuuuge but if you get them then tough shit, deal with it, use to your advantage, try to survive if you are at a disadvantage, it's not like your opponent(s) cheated they just got lucky, everyone can use items equally for the most part, use your skill to use them or avoid them or whatever; it is a part of the game please get over yourself, smash balls are awesome and while super powerful can be avoided once activated for a good deal of characters and you also have the opportunity to knock it out of your opponent plus it's great how one item can change how people start fighting all of a sudden, if you're good enough you should be able to factor all these things into your game and if you come out on top its all that much better than being in a sterile environment, comma, comma, comma, comma.

Choose your character. And yeah that's it. Oh I suppose teams of four people randomly put together will be best so you don't get overpowered gradeschool-esque favoritism bullshit.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I'll be honest again.

I already called the rule set on Anything Goes with Items on Low and 4/8. What more do you expect from me on this one?

I'm just waiting for people to sign up at this point so then we could finally get this thing started. <_<

I kinda sense the lack of sign-ups because I feel there's some sort of grudge against me and you feel I have an inability to actually run a decent tournament. I don't like fighting with Anything Goes rules on, I don't think it's fair to everyone, and there's basically no way to turn me around from it. But because most of the people participating and not participating want it that way, fine, I'll live with it for the sake for this tournament if you thing it would get the ball rolling with this.

So saying that, we haven't had a sign-up since 10:58 AM EST. I called the rule set at 3:40 PM EST.

Even after the whole debate, I sense that people still aren't happy with this rule set and therefore not signing up. Any other problems so I can get some sign-ups on this thing? You know, because the whole point of this thread is to talk about that kind of thing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Acer hit it on the spot for me. I was hesitant to sign up because of the ban discussion. I like a bit of luck in my games, because it'd be awfully boring without it.

FELIPE NO

Well, I dropped that idea since everyone wanted an Anything Goes thing. I settled for that, and I'm over the whole banning thing since people don't want it.

If you do wanna sign up, go for it. Repeating again, it is:

4 stock, 8 minutes
All Stages
Items On - Low

I honestly don't know what else I could change to make people sign up. This is as fair as I could get it to satisfy everyone. So at this point, it's either you do or you don't. Just don't think I'm still trying to get stages banned. I'm over it now, and I just want to get this thing started once we hit the 20 participants mark.

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask about it.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Rotorblade, since you think you're so much god damn better than everyone else, tell us all how the "pros" do it and the "right way to do it." Seriously dude, its a discussion thread, so stop trying to assume you're some high and mighty tourney faggot who knows all about the games and "competitive play."

Jam it back in, in the dark.

u maaaaad, Lukage? Don't be , be glad!

Seriously, man, what's with the outburst? I'm not the master of "competitive play", but I'm certainly well-read in comparison to the shit you spout off at the mouth about. From what I know, I can't say if it's actual gospel or not, the "pros" tend to play a game without banning anything for a good period of time, usually doing what SuperSonic suggested and just giving it time to see how the game plays out. Usually this pans out which strategies are viable for characters, clearing up strengths and weaknesses, and in the case of "banning"... which ones destroy variety.

Rarely is anything ever completely banned in a fighting game that's played "For serious reals competitively" unless it brings the game down to a 1 Dimensional shit fest. Again, Smash Bros. is an anomaly, because by its design it's meant to be random chaos. So it rubs people the wrong way when things are taken away, because much of that stuff that's taken away is what makes the game so appealing in the first place.

The "right" way, again from what I've read, is just to let things play out naturally and learn more about the game as you get better. I see you want to call me a tourney faggot, good for you. People, such as yourself, get so fucking pissed off because those of us willing to invest in the game and not actually be faggots about it get just a "little" bit more out of the experience. Take a trip to Sirlin.net — Your source of shocking insights on game design and read his "Playing to Win" series. Hell, just read his thoughts on game design.

I'm not gonna force any of that on anyone here, I'm just trying to help out the attempts. But to be honest, it's already been made clear that my input isn't personally helping Chaotic. So I'm gonna stay in the background until I get a Wii, and then I'll concern myself with whatever pick up games GFF is having with Brawl. Still, I see a lot of misconceptions regarding play and it all seems to stem from Smash Bros. Which is why I enjoy playing games with just a bit more structure to them and clearer house rules. But Brawl is what it is, a fun game that means many things to many different players.

Anyway, I'll see myself out, thank you. Carry on, folks.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I'll just repeat what I said in the Smash thread:

Quote:

If people wanna just do a normal tournament, that's perfectly fine with me. I understand that everyone is in a state of confusion after the whole tourneyfag debate back in the discussion thread. I'll close up the discussion thread, and ask Slash to close up the sign-up thread, create a new one for just so we could have March Smashness before March ends and there will be no tournament/league talk involved. Just a normal, "let's duke it out" tournament where everyone could have fun.

The rules will be:

4 stock, 8 minutes
All Items On - Low
All Stages

No debates saying that this is unfair either. I just want to have a Smash tournament where people could have fun, since that was my original intention of this whole thing anyway. Either you sign up, or you don't. I'll think of some sort of cut-off date so we can get it started.

So closed this thread goes again. I'll post the new thread sometime later.
Please don't kill me, Skills ;_;

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.