[Movie] Heroes Season Two Discussion

I agree Crash Landon, although we did learn about the cop's dad at least, and you can't discount the Adam revelation as he was part of the "older crowd." (MUCH older lol!)

Still, I think that they haven't built up to the Shanti Virus enough to conclude it in 2 episodes. It's just a back-story, not really important, not like the "bomb" from season 1 was. This whole season feels slow at the start, and rushed at the end.

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I have a feeling that Angela is a Soothsayer kind of like Parkman, because of the sound effects that played while she was speaking with Nathan's wife while he was in the hospital (considering she easily convinced Petrelli's wife to accept some cock-and-bull schpiel).

But that's just a guess.

And yes, this season is going to feel rushed. There are 3 unfilmed episodes as a result of the WGA strike, so they're going to conclude it on a cliffhanger that may not answer all the questions that the season brought about. Kind of sad, really... but I guess you can't blame writers for wanting to make more than $200k/year when studio heads make TEN MILLLLLLLION DOLLARS.

(although I'd take $200k/year easy).

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This strike has caused me to lose any respect I might have previously had for screenwriters. It's like they couldn't be bothered to think the thing through. "I know, let's have a strike so that TV shows will end halfway through their normal seasons! That will get the public on our side, cutting them off like that!"

Jam it back in, in the dark.

knk, not every screenwriter wanted to strike. In fact, a considerable portion was against it because they were satisfied with their positions. However, being a screenwriter in this day requires you to become a member of the Screenwriters Guild. When the Guild chooses to strike, members either join in or become blacklisted. Union politics are brutal.

It's quite possible that the Heroes writers didn't want to strike, that they wanted to write this season through to a fully-crafted conclusion but couldn't due to pressures from the Guild.
(Personally, I doubt this, since there's been an enormous amount of online content for Heroes and increased royalties from new media sources is one of the Guild's pet issues. But you never know.)

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I know about union politics, Crash, I was just painting with broad strokes.

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The last two, three episodes were pretty good. At least you have to use your brain again in order to follow the plot.

Good thing

Spoiler:

Noah

didn't die

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HEROES Season 2

Episode 10 - Truth & Consequences

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I was speaking idiomatically.

So no one is going to talk about the random stupidity in this episode?

Peter:

What's with his loyalty to Adam? He sees Adam murder Victoria in cold blood after she warns him about Adam's true intentions, then Hiro shows up and Peter's ready to battle to the death.

Maya:

"Oh Gabriel, you killed your mother? That makes us kindred spirits. I don't need my brother now that I have your rugged good looks and sinister sneer to protect me!"

Claire and West:

How is going public with her ability any kind of plausible threat for Claire to make? Does she not watch TV or movies? The Pentagon/CIA/KGB/KAOS will lock her up and never throw away the key just to analyze her powers, and public opinion would turn against her once they find out she's immortal.

Also, what's with Claire and West whining like they'll never see each other again? She's only moving to Utah, and he can fly. Do Mormons have restricted airspace now?

Observation:

It was mentioned several times that blowing Adam (or Peter's) head off is the only way to kill them. How did the company establish this? Was there another immortal that they tested this on, or did they just go with Highlander rules?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Bwa-ha-ha, this was the worst episode. Literally everything everyone's doing is completely retarded. I dunno.

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^ Not untrue.

I like how Hiro and Peter need to fight to the death now.

"Bad guy!"

"Goooooood guy!"

"AhhhhHHHHHhhhhhHHHHH!!!!!"

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Kinda does suck having to squeeze in 10 more episodes into two or three...I'm sure if we would have had an entire season things would have been much better.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by nuttyturnip

Observation:

It was mentioned several times that blowing Adam (or Peter's) head off is the only way to kill them. How did the company establish this? Was there another immortal that they tested this on, or did they just go with Highlander rules?

Well with Chandra's old theory that "it's in the brain", destroying the brain before the regeneration could kick in would make that somewhat plausible.

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Originally Posted by Kaelin

Well with Chandra's old theory that "it's in the brain", destroying the brain before the regeneration could kick in would make that somewhat plausible.

I'm not arguing that at some point, there won't be enough of a body left to regenerate, but why specifically the head/brain? When Claire got a spike through her head last season, once she pulled it out she recovered. If you lopped off Adam's head, what's to say that the head itself wouldn't generate a new body?

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Lopped off his head? Yeah, it would probably grow a new body. But in this ep, Victoria was going to blow up the head with her shotgun.

In season one, Claire's power was stopped when that twig was stuck in her head. And Peter's power also stopped with that glass shard. Even Sylar goes after the brain for powers.

What I don't get is, why would Claire or Adam's blood be able to regenerate people if powers come from the brain?
Also, is there some Haitian blood in those Haitian pills Peter took to negate his powers? (eew) They never said where those came from.

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I think the arguement is that if you destroy the brain then you can't regenerate. The part that gives people their powers is located in the brain (which kinda confused me as in Five Years Later Mohinder said it was built into their DNA. If it's built into their DNA, how can it be located in the brain?) Anyway, no brain = power gone. Claire's brain wasn't destroyed, just damaged so she could regenerate once the catalyst was removed (the branch).

I was speaking idiomatically.

You know what I thought was stupid in the latest episode?

You know how Monica was trying to get Micah's backpack back from those thugs in the middle of the night by sneaking into the thugs' house? When the thugs arrived, why the hell didn't she just climb out of the window and hide on the roof or something instead of being all fancy and shit and hiding by clinging onto the ceiling? That was just retarded.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Because there wouldn't be any ::omg drama:: if she didn't get grabbed by the thugs. Yo.

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The tags for next week's finale keep stressing that two heroes will be killed. Now, their definition of "hero" has always been pretty loose, as there was a bit of similar fanfare before the episode in which Sylar killed Candace Willmer. Candace worked for The Company, so I'd hardly call her a hero, but whatever. NBC must define it as simply possessing a power, not by actual alignment.

Anyhow, who do you suppose is going to bite the dust next week?

My first guess is Niki Sanders. As someone said, she wants off the show. She's infected with the Shanti virus, so it's very possible they've scripted some lame resolution in which killing Niki prevents the virus from spreading.

My second guess is harder to nail down, but I'm thinking it's Maya. They already killed Alejandro off, and Maya has demonstrated that her power can be controlled without Alejandro, and that makes it useful to Sylar. It's logical that Sylar had been fed the same power-suppressing meds that Peter was taking, since Candace was with The Company. Their effects wore off approximately five days after Peter stopped the doses, so Sylar is probably reaching the same point. He'll find he has his powers again - perhaps with Candace's illusion ability to boot - then kill Maya.

It's just as well. I found Maya and Alejandro to be quite dull.

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ALEJANDRO!

I'm gonna miss those screams.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

You know what I thought was stupid in the latest episode?

You know how Monica was trying to get Micah's backpack back from those thugs in the middle of the night by sneaking into the thugs' house? When the thugs arrived, why the hell didn't she just climb out of the window and hide on the roof or something instead of being all fancy and shit and hiding by clinging onto the ceiling? That was just retarded.

Or why didn't she use her amazing karate-whatever moves she used in the restaurant. I thought that was the whole point of her power.

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Originally Posted by Thalin

Or why didn't she use her amazing karate-whatever moves she used in the restaurant. I thought that was the whole point of her power.

You know I thought about this as well, but, if her power has something to do with watching something, and then being able to do it, mimicry, then perhaps her body can only do what she has most recently seen. Meaning she woudln't be able to cut tomatoes like that after she watched how to jump up shit.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I thought she showed Micah her "amazing tomato cutting power" to him a few episodes after she first did it. She might be able to store powers for later use? Maybe we'll see her kick their asses on the finale.

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Originally Posted by TCK

ALEJANDRO!

I'm gonna miss those screams.

Don't worry he's not dead, he will regenerate

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I hope next weeks episode will be better, this weeks episode was total shit

I was speaking idiomatically.

I can't believe how abysmall the most recent episode was (note: this posted before the season finale). It's a stark contrast with the one before it - a triumphant return to form somehow leading into a complete failure of an effort. I don't like to throw the term 'abortion' around when it comes to creative media (and since this episode was technically finished, I suppose it would be incorrect), but if I could find a term that vehement, I would use it. The flaws in this episode were all too abundant, and very evident as the episode progressed - this being one of the only times I could watch the show and rip apart its construction and failings, rather than enjoying it. Hayden's (Claire's) acting is TERRIBLE as of late - whether she's getting worse, or she's always been this bad and I just haven't noticed, I have no idea. If Alejandro really did die, and isn't brought back by some cheesy 'resurrection' BS (which would be just as bad), his death felt entirely random and pointless. I'm all for Sylar and such like, but still, the entire thing was stupid - that, along with the advent of Maya controlling her power, made Alejandro useless anyay. The Heroes writers are really screwing themselves over as far as world logic goes when it comes to powers and how they work.

Oh, and the end scene between Hiro and Peter? Completely nonsensical, they are both acting completely out of their traditional personality archetypes... and if Hiro dies because of some horrible character writing, I shall be very put out.

Praying for redemption in some fashion come the season finale. I guess I'll find out tonight.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I'll admit the episodes haven't been great as of late, but seriously, I don't understand why there is so much hate for them.

Because of the writer's strike, they have had to cram an entire series worth of shows, 120 hours of story, into 3 final episodes. Does anyone not realize this? Or am I completely wrong in thinking that because of the writer's strike, the writer's of the show were completely pressured into getting as much of the season in as they could before it went on?

I'm willing to bank the entire season would have panned out to be quite awesome IF they had the time to better perfect the writing.

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