[Movie] Heroes Season Two Discussion

I keep thinking that Nathan was obviously scarred in the explosion with Peter. However, he's also been healed, or at least had his visage reformed. I doubt that it's an illusion, since the damage has been hidden in various situations and around various people. This leaves me only one theory:

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Angela Petrelli's ability is fleshcraft: the ability to permanently alter the physical appearances of others.

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I have a random question. What is the relationship between Sylar and cockroaches? There's a cockroach when he breaks out of the prison HRG held him in; when he vanishes into the sewer at the end of season 1; and when he kills the American traveling with him and the illegals. Any thoughts?

I think it may be an allusion to the first episode when Mohinder talks about cockroaches being the pinnacle of evolution. Given the way Sylar obsesses about constantly acquiring new powers--"evolving"--the comparison between Sylar and cockroaches makes sense.

Edit: Also see this Wiki entry for further info: Cockroach - Heroes Wiki

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HEROES Season 2

Episode 08 - Four Months Ago

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Oh man that episode was awesome. Reminds me of the same kind of win that composed the first season.

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I found that part where that douche shot DL to be extremely gut-wrenching; just the sheer out-of-the-blue and extremity of it.

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Kristen Bell is hawt!
I can't believe there's only going to be 3 eps until the end.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Agreed the boobs was there for extra <3

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Why am i thinking that Adam Monroe/takezo is one of the best characters ever, He seems to be a villain but now playing a role of a hero, basically the main enemy here is either bob and his lackeys or Sylar

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Originally Posted by Free.User

Oh man that episode was awesome. Reminds me of the same kind of win that composed the first season.

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I found that part where that douche shot DL to be extremely gut-wrenching; just the sheer out-of-the-blue and extremity of it.

Are you kidding?

That episode was one of the worst I've ever seen!

The time-spans of 4/3/2/1 months ago were completely unrealistic, they should have just done "4 months ago" and left it at that. It took Peter a full month, 30 days, to just talk to Adam?? And then another month before Adam says "you'd better watch out for her, you're in a prison"???

D.L. getting shot was the most incredibly stupid way for him to go. He gets killed by a no-name character introduced in the last 30 seconds and doesn't have the brains to "dissolve" in dangerous areas like that? Really stupid. Really lazy writing.

This episode took away any of the cool build-up of the previous episode. Did we even learn anything new of any importance, like we did in "6 Months Ago" from last season? Not really, this was just an attempt to recycle that idea, and it had no point. Boo, Heroes. BOOOOOOOOO.

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But wait! Regarding Adam,

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Bob also said that he was Linderman's mentor, meaning he's the type of person that would think the ends justify the means, even if it costs alot of lives. Not to mention Adam wants Hiro to suffer. I say he's still a villian. As for the company, its still morally ambigious. So is Noah Bennett.

Seems like so far only some of the characters try to stay pure and true. The ones involve or were involved with the company one way or another, is still morally ambigious.

This episode had its moments, but I missed alot of other story arcs that could have really benefitted a flashback.

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How was Claire and her family coping? What about Matt's divorce and eventual adoption of Molly? What the hell caused the Haitian to leave the company? When and how did Mohinder and Noah set things up? What was Ando doing for the past monthes?

And do we need yet another split personality from Niki, which by the way was kind of a anti-climatic to Niki's problem? I was hoping that maybe Jessica was some sort of possession from her dead sis or something even deeper rooted, and maybe explore that. Making a new personality was just random. There has to be a reason why Jess had the Helix symbol and Niki did not.

And poor D.L. Just when he starts to becomea hero, a no-name dude offs him abruptly like the Sopranos Series finale. He didn't derserve that, man.

Overall aside from some parts of Peter's arc, the episode was...okay at best. I don't care too much for the siblings for some reason. Probably cause they don't connect with the main cast at all except for Sylar who just happens to meet them. I woulnd't mind if he decides to off them.

The last few episodes before the sudden finale better be damn good. But at least from my last post, Tim Kring regonised all the problems we mentioned before, he prob will see these ones too.

And yes, Elle was awesome.

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Sadist electrical byotch for the win.

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Heroes creator Tim Kring has revealed that the show will cap volume two on December 3 with an "out of the blue cliffhanger".

Confirming that volume two will end on December 3, Kring told USA Today that fans can expect a complete turnaround in the pace of the show over the next month. "[The episodes] are among the absolute best we have ever done."

Cast member Milo Ventimiglia added that "we'd gotten away a little from what the show is" and that "we're getting back on track".

Kring, who is refusing to cross WGA picket lines to work on the show, said that the series' segmented approach permitted an early end to volume two. "In an oddly kismet kind of way, we have a real finale that could act, God forbid, as the end of season two," he explained.

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I liked this episode, though like Jazzflight said, the time jumps for Peter were very poorly done.

Originally Posted by Jazzflight

Did we even learn anything new of any importance, like we did in "6 Months Ago" from last season?

Well, we did finally receive confirmation that Niki's power is general spirit channeling and not just her sister. It's nice to know that eventually her character might not be quite so lame and useless. That may have already been shown in the comics, but I haven't read any of those.

While the Mohinder/Noah showdown will be interesting (hopefully resulting in one less Mohinder), I'm looking forward to seeing how Hiro travelling back to save his father will pan out. If he actually does manage to stop Kensei on the rooftop it would change a lot of what's happened so far this season. Maybe enough to actually wrap this up well in only 3 episodes.

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Uh where in the episode was it implied that Niki was spirit channeling? Seems like old fashioned Split personality to me.

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The fact that she channeled some other old friend with no actual powers rather than Jessica this time?

Besides, Bob gave her the same pills as Peter to stop her powers. Why would he give those for split personality disorder? Even if he wasn't lying, eliminating the original cause wouldn't even begin to fix the disorder.

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Ok wait, I must have missed something from the episode, where was it indicated that Gina was some old friend she had?

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Gina said she was just the alias Niki used when she hung out in Las Vegas sometime in her past.

Seems more like split personality than spirit channeling.

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Niki's power is just super human strenght. The split personnality is just a result of her not being able to accept that power, so she hided it in herself until her mind broke in another personnality that just borrowed the name of her sister. Bob all said that in this episode. even if she can control Jessica, it was just a matter of time before another personnality was created. Like Jazz just said, gina is the alias she use in L.A. that's why Gina wanted to return there...

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

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Gina said she was just the alias Niki used when she hung out in Las Vegas sometime in her past.

Seems more like split personality than spirit channeling.

Oh, gotcha. In that case, Niki's place as the second worst person with abilities is cemented (first place going to Claire's boyfriend). Still, Bob's medication solution made zero sense for treating split personalities.

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Sure it makes sense. The pills turn her powers off. With her power off her brain doesn't have to struggle with having that power. So there's no need for a split personality. Get it?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Despite time flaws, the episode was awesome (or maybe it was just Veronica Mars). <3 Too bad there was nothing on Sylar though. We're still left hanging after the most badass line of the season: "You don't understand me, but once I get my powers back and I figure out what the fuck it is your sister exactly does I am going to kill you kthx."

So I guess we're very close to Sylar getting his powers back (assuming he was on these pills too) since it took Niki a few days to gain hers back. Then Alejandro will be totally dead.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

D.L. getting shot was the most incredibly stupid way for him to go. He gets killed by a no-name character introduced in the last 30 seconds and doesn't have the brains to "dissolve" in dangerous areas like that? Really stupid. Really lazy writing.

I felt this way too. D.L. reflexively phased out when the anonymous guy threw a punch. Why wouldn't he do the same when a gun is pressed against his frontside? You could argue that he wouldn't want a stray bullet to hit anyone else behind him but that's still rather flimsy rationalization. Leonard Roberts obviously didn't leave the show for ulterior reasons, as he was willing to reprise D.L. for the past two episodes (Unlike Missy Peregrym, who played Candice Wilmer and left to star in "Reaper".)

If this is how they're handling pivotal arcs like the deaths of main characters, I can't imagine how sloppily Season Two will conclude.

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"Mr. Bennet. Why?"

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

If this is how they're handling pivotal arcs like the deaths of main characters, I can't imagine how sloppily Season Two will conclude.

Just don't kill anyone? *wink*

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HEROES Season 2

Episode 09 - Cautionary Tales

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(Mohinder is such a dumbass..)

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Hail Mr Bennet.

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That was a fun episode, i was actually kind of pissed off at mohinder on what happened but that cell regeneration thing was just amazing, I don't know if everyone agrees, but at least they found a way to make the main stars literally invincible, now if only elle would actually join their side (she's going through the omg, my dad hasn't done that for me when i was 18 phase)

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I felt this way too. D.L. reflexively phased out when the anonymous guy threw a punch. Why wouldn't he do the same when a gun is pressed against his frontside? You could argue that he wouldn't want a stray bullet to hit anyone else behind him but that's still rather flimsy rationalization. Leonard Roberts obviously didn't leave the show for ulterior reasons, as he was willing to reprise D.L. for the past two episodes (Unlike Missy Peregrym, who played Candice Wilmer and left to star in "Reaper".)

If this is how they're handling pivotal arcs like the deaths of main characters, I can't imagine how sloppily Season Two will conclude.

I heard there was a rumor that Ali Larter couldn't stand Leonard Roberts and so they decided to ax D.L. Because there is no other logical reason to kill of his character.

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I heard now Ali Larter wants off the show...so D.Ls death was in vain...

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Ali Larter must want to return to her lucrative movie career making Final Destination 4.

Originally Posted by Shonos

Sure it makes sense. The pills turn her powers off. With her power off her brain doesn't have to struggle with having that power. So there's no need for a split personality. Get it?

I missed this post earlier, but yeah, that solution still makes no sense. Multiple personalities don't vanish just because a simple cause like her power goes away. Not immediately like they seemed to think, at least. Plus, based on what Jessica said about "their" father, her power was only one of several causes anyway.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Captain Desu

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now if only elle would actually join their side (she's going through the omg, my dad hasn't done that for me when i was 18 phase)

Actually, I think that's what the writers were slowly working toward, bringing Elle over toward working for less selfish reasons, if only as an act of rebellion against her father. It's a way of making her more sympathetic to viewers.

Noah Bennet was/is one of my favorite characters, as he seems to be one of the most genuine. However, I was fully prepared to see and accept his death. Keeping Noah alive via this method almost feels like a cop-out, as it grants immunity to nearly any beloved character. It now feels very hypocritical that D.L. was allowed to die in such a flimsily written manner.

I've begun to suspect that the whole plotline involving Maya, Alejandro and Sylar will not be wrapped up this season, as last night's episode didn't touch upon them at all and there's still the whole "Shanti Virus" matter to resolve within two episodes. Personally, I doubt anything will be fully brought to closure in that time. It seems more likely that the writers, knowing there was an impending strike, will end the shortened Season 2 on a powerful cliffhanger, giving themselves some leeway to resolve the unfinished plotlines at a future date.

Lastly, Kaito Nakamura is officially deceased and even Hiro won't prevent it. Is it too much to ask that we finally learn what Kaito's power was? And Angela Petrelli, also? C'mon, this season was supposed to focus upon the elder generation. Throw us a bone.

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