[Tournament] 2007 MLB Discussion Thread

Plus the Beastie Boys have never referenced Barry Bonds. So fuck him.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I like how the guy who got away with the ball was just in SF on a layover. Heck of a trip it turned out to be for that guy.

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Maybe Infernal Monkey should try and steal the ball from him during his trip to Australia and use the money to fund GFF for YEARS.

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Bonds hit #757 tonight.

Everyone can chutup anyway, because Sadaharu Oh's 868 will probably never be broken (unless A-Rod puts on 50+ home run seasons for the rest of his career). Though, at his current pace (44 HR/yr), he could do it in about 8.5 seasons.

Well if we're going to get into "other" leages then Josh Gibson can be argued as the homerun king. Though there are some good Japanese players I don't think anyone is going to say that their league is superior to the Major Leagues. Some baseball historians, however, will argue that the Negro Leages were on par with, if not better than, the Major Leagues (note: Jackie Robinson was an instant All-Star, but wasn't even the best player on his TEAM). Furthermore Aaron spent 2 years in the Negro Leagues before being called "up" to the majors, so should we count those homers?

On the subject of Barry Bonds. I lean towards him being dirty, but because there isn't hard evidence showing that my personal code doesn't allow me to convict him. He bulked up like hell seemingly overnight, but it isn't necessarily true that he took steroids. Putting that aside let's not forget that hitting homers takes tremendous skill. While muscles help you have to know pitchers, have a good eye, damed good reaction time, and impeccable coordination. Steroids or not Bonds has the most perfect swing I've ever seen. I don't think a team of animators could sit down and put together a better one. It's quick its compact, and it's powerful allowing him good control and a bit more time to react to pitches. Power is part of the longball, but skill is still paramount.

Bonds*, Palmero, McGwire, and Canseco aren't the only guys who took steroids. They've been singled out because they're big name hitters. The guys whos bodies almost warrant suspicion, but if hitters can be dirty why can't pitchers? Hell the guy who gave up the 755HR to bonds WAS busted for steroids not too long ago. I don't mean this to say that two wrongs make a right, but it's reasonable to believe that there are and have been juiced pitchers that Bonds homered off of.

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I do think he took steriods when he hit 73. I mean Barry is well past his prime. If he was really that strong he would have done that very early in his career. Well Atlanta has nothing to be proud of anymore. Our last remaining piece of pride was snatched away.

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Originally Posted by Winter Storm

I do think he took steriods when he hit 73. I mean Barry is well past his prime. If he was really that strong he would have done that very early in his career. Well Atlanta has nothing to be proud of anymore. Our last remaining piece of pride was snatched away.

I feel compelled to point out that the most home runs Hank Aaron hit was 47. When did he hit that total? At the ripe old age of 37. When Barry Bonds was 37, he hit 73 long balls out of the park. Not that Bonds' 73 dingers were earned without the use of drugs (especially when you consider that his next highest was 49), but hitting them at 37 doesn't seem that unreasonable. I'd imagine that homerun hitting ability doesn't diminish that quickly with age as compared to things such as speed and throwing power.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Here's a feel-good home run story: Former Cards pitcher, now Cards outfielder Rick Ankiel, hits a 3-run home run in first appearance back in majors since his flameout a few years ago.

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Thirty runs. Never thought I'd see the day.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The Dopefish

Thirty runs. Never thought I'd see the day.

Ridiculous.

I still can't believe it. I mean, I had to double-take when I saw the score of 30-3 on ESPN's Bottom Line. That's a lopsided score in the NFL, but just trying to comprehend it in baseball is just outrageous.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Surprise, surprise.

Especially since it was against the Orioles.

The O's have been in a downward spiral for a decade now. They make it impossible to be a fan these days.

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Pfft, I go away for three days and no one cares that a no-hitter was thrown by Clay Buchholz of the Red Sox.

You guys suck.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

That pissed me off more than anything, to be honest. ESPN cut away from the Auburn - K State game to show it. And then they showed the damn celebration afterwards. I'm trying to watch a damn football game involving Auburn, and I am from the south. Statistically speaking, does ESPN think I give a shit about something related to the Red Sox?

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Originally Posted by rockthepartay

The O's have been in a downward spiral for a decade now. They make it impossible to be a fan these days.

Sad thing is, I have my choice of Nationals or Orioles and I'd much rather watch the Orioles. I think we have potential (we have some fine home-grown talents we didn't have even 2 years ago), but...That bullpen...Tsk, tsk. We need to figure that mess out (WHY the fuck is Buress in there, when he proved himself as a starter? He's been a disaster as a longman) and then lock Teixeira up for 10 years as our cornerstone (he's from the Baltimore area). With Bedard and Guthrie anchoring the staff, Cabrera gradually learning not to walk guys and Loewen coming back next year, I'm cautiously optimistic.

I didn't even realize the guy had a no-hitter going because I had the sound down and everytime I flipped by, Boston was scoring runs on us. Then I saw on ESPN the notice and rolled my eyes.

It's all about the Yankees losing at this point. I need SOMETHING to root for and that more than fits the bill (so I wasn't terribly upset over us losing to Boston. )

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Originally Posted by russ

That pissed me off more than anything, to be honest. ESPN cut away from the Auburn - K State game to show it. And then they showed the damn celebration afterwards. I'm trying to watch a damn football game involving Auburn, and I am from the south. Statistically speaking, does ESPN think I give a shit about something related to the Red Sox?

In Canada, there is a different sports network for every region of the country and if you have a cable hookup you can get them all for 50 cents each. It's a pretty sweet deal.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I'm a bit down about the Braves. 4 years ago me and NYRSkate talked about the braves and the yankees. He said that even though the braves flop in the playoffs, they still have 14 straight division titles and that's something to be proud of as no other teams can do that.

However. it still SUCKS. Because it was a downward spiral that started for them ever since they traded Steve Avery in...late 90s. And the trading trend started from there. Key people going bye bye ever 2-3 years. Now they are no longer on top and can't even make it to the playoffs -.-.

Just once, JUST ONCE can ONE of our MAJOR Georgia teams be great and stay great. Then you have Vick and his bullshit...

Our collage teams are doing so much better...

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You do realize that Steve Avery basically never did anything productive after the Braves traded him right?

So the Braves have two season in a row that they haven't been a dominant force, get over it. When was the last time Pittsburg even won more games than they lost? When was the last time Toronto made the playoffs? The fact is that the Braves are in a bit of a transitional period right now. Ten years ago, they had one of the highest payrolls in the game, while now they are somewhere closer to the middle of the pack, so that means that they have to make tough personnel choices every year, like most other teams in the game.

Part of the problem has been that they haven't really produced any top tier young pitchers in a while. The closest thing to that has been Wainwright, but they of course traded him to St. Louis in the JD Drew trade, which by the way, helped Atlanta win their division that year. I think that Braves are going in the right direction, and they have some young players in their farm system who will be able to help them over the next couple of years, so while I doubt they will ever run off another streak of even four or five consecutive division titles, much less 14, it isn't like this is the end of the franchise as a competitive team for ever and ever. You won't see them go 15 years without making the postseason like Pittsburg.

I was speaking idiomatically.

So hey the Sox are gonna win the AL East. GTFO spankees

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Originally Posted by russ

You do realize that Steve Avery basically never did anything productive after the Braves traded him right?

So the Braves have two season in a row that they haven't been a dominant force, get over it.

Yes but it started the trend and no I wont get over it.

I overreacted anyway. They still have a chance.

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The66thDopefish (9:30:28 PM): ahahah you know you're going to win when your opponent has walked you with the base loaded and no one out on TWO SEPERATE OCCASIONS

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Is this the place to say that the Indians are now ahead 3 to 1 against the Sox?

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Originally Posted by Slash

Is this the place to say that the Indians are now ahead 3 to 1 against the Sox?

It's the place you can let the Sox be happy for making it so far. At this point, with the way the Sox have been blowing it in the series, Cleveland deserves to win.

No matter who makes it to the World Series, the Rockies are probably going to sweep them anyway, though. Have you watched them lately? Sheesh.

/me lives in Massachusetts.

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I think that Cleveland will beat the Rockies. Assuming Cleveland finishes off Boston.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The WS this year will be VERY interesting to say the least

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Originally Posted by Slash

The WS this year will be VERY interesting to say the least

To be honest, I think that whichever team wins the ALCS will totally whomp the Rockies. I could be surprised, but I think this ALCS is the best baseball we'll see until the next postseason.

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I'd have thought the Rockies had had a chance, but this eight day break is going to kill all their momentum. Cleveland shouldn't have too much trouble winning it after that, I don't think.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?