[General Discussion] Suikoden Club v7!

It has a new game+ so I'm not worried about getting them all in my first playthrough.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I've been a big fan of the Suikoden series, but I've fallen out of the loop since 4. Then low and behold, I stop by my EBGames (to pick Guitar Hero >_>) and see that there's another one out.

Probably should've payed more attention to those gaming sites. I've been browsing some of the last posts in the thread and it looks like the response to the new game has been positive. But it looks like it'll be a game that I might wait to buy, just because I have other games to play at the moment =/

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So far I like the game. I like how the battle view is similiar to that of 1 and 2...yet still maintains its updated graphics. I also enjoy how the spell effects actually look good instead of the bland spells we got in 4.

I love the characters so far, I am not far into it but...

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The Queens Knights are awesome...for some reason I know I am going to end up leaning towards having Georg and Kyle as two of my most used characters...uh only put this is spoiler because maybe people dont like to know names?

Anyway, I was looking through some of my Suiko-Stuff....I have a lame strategy guide for S1, the official one for 2...a printed out one for III (LOL) and the one for 4...plus the artbook...so...

Does anyone else have the artbook that came with 4? If so...have you been able to identify all of the runes on that big page with them? Shit I know all of the true ones listed but only about 1/3 of the others. I wanna get this scanned...so I can label them.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Knighthawk

I love the characters so far, I am not far into it but...

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The Queens Knights are awesome...for some reason I know I am going to end up leaning towards having Georg and Kyle as two of my most used characters...uh only put this is spoiler because maybe people dont like to know names?

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Wait till you get Richard, that guy alone with some decent armor and the Eye Ring equipped, plus a counter rune, a boost rune and his weapon sharpened to level 10 or so can handle almost everything you face... he makes normal fights like a joke and boss fights pathetic than they have ever been...

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Never saw what the big deal with Richard was. You give anybody a Fury/Double-Strike/Violence/Boost (pick any two or three) combo, and they're going to stomp the piss out of people. Shit, I gave Zerase a Boost Rune and she was doing as much damage as Dinn while I was on my way to Sable.

The person I'm finding to be quite useful is Yahr. Sure, his portrait is goofy as hell, but replacing Belcoot with him as my one front-liner seems to be working out. His Angry Dragon doesn't do as much as Belcoot's Falcon, but the trade-off is that Yahr isn't Unbalanced by his personal rune. He also gets level 4 magic, which I don't think Belcoot can get even if he's level 99.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Generic Badass

Never saw what the big deal with Richard was. You give anybody a Fury/Double-Strike/Violence/Boost (pick any two or three) combo, and they're going to stomp the piss out of people. Shit, I gave Zerase a Boost Rune and she was doing as much damage as Dinn while I was on my way to Sable.

The person I'm finding to be quite useful is Yahr. Sure, his portrait is goofy as hell, but replacing Belcoot with him as my one front-liner seems to be working out. His Angry Dragon doesn't do as much as Belcoot's Falcon, but the trade-off is that Yahr isn't Unbalanced by his personal rune. He also gets level 4 magic, which I don't think Belcoot can get even if he's level 99.

But they won't be able to parry and avoid as much as Richard does... it's his 3xx technique stat that makes him godly.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Well, when you have heavy armor equipped, what's the big difference between dodging and having a character with 350 HP take 3-15 damage?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I just started it and my god its good, but the problem is the whole sound effects aint working out for me (i mean sound effects in menus and such) i would have loved it if they brought back old sounds from Suikoden 2.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Im more than likely getting V, this weekend.

Alot of the reviews say the loading times are bad, and ign's review said something about framerate being an issue?

I loved Suikoden I & II, III was okay.. but disliked 4. I hear V is better than 4, and up to par with II?

How long is the game, other than the new game plus.. is there any other sidequests? I know about recuirting the 108 stars.. thats standard suikoden.

I think my mind is already made up. Ill get it this weekend, after I go through Kingdom Hearts II.

How ya doing, buddy?

I wish people would stop comparing every game with the word "Suikoden" in it, to Suikoden II. Yeah we get it, Suikoden II was great ...but why ruin a great game by comparing it to something completly different? Ive read peoples opinions of this and have gathered that...people dislike this game because it does not have a "cook off minigame". Are you kidding me? First of all that mini game was not all that great...and secondly how can you judge a game completly based off of its mini games?

Now granted I do rank the games in the series as favorite to worst. Clearly IV is the worst...the best is indeclared until I beat Suikoden V. Im not going to sit there and play the game and say "oh well it should of been like this because thats how they did it in Suikoden II".

I think Suikoden V is fantastic so far. It has characters that I actually can get used to much like the previous Suikoden's did. Suikoden IV being the exception because the characters for that game were dull, boring, and bland. Much like the storyline. To top it off...you spent more time sailing than you did anything else. Suikoden V has great characters and I am not even 1/4th way through the game yet. The story is fantastic and complex...which goes along with the music...which is also great.

I have recognized a few themes from previous Suikoden games (The music during when you name the main character, the music during the stategic battles and one other that I wont say because its a spoiler). I think all Suikoden games have incredible music, well except for IV...that seems to be the black sheep of Suikoden games.

Its also alarming how many people I have seen upset over the fact that Yuber or Pesmerga are not in this game. Who freaking cares? Pesmerga had like 5 lines total in all the games and really did not do much of anything. Yuber wasnt all that great either and became more pathetic when he showed up in that ridiculous outfit in Suikoden III.

Im not sure how many Suikoden games there will be, I have heard 7, maybe even 6 and if that were the case...if they make the game as good as this one I will be content. I would rather them stop the series when its good...instead of letting it become a Final Fantasy series. However the immortal difference between Suikoden and Final Fantasy will be that Suikoden has wonderful mythology to it and great backstory. Final Fantasy gives us Moogles...oh yay.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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I wish people would stop comparing every game with the word "Suikoden" in it, to Suikoden II. Yeah we get it, Suikoden II was great ...but why ruin a great game by comparing it to something completly different?

Of course it's going to get compared to the best game in the series. It's not something completely different. They're not comparing it to Metal Gear Solid or something. It's being compared to a game in the same series. Also, everything I've heard about the comparisons, is good. It's not "Oh man, it's not like II!" it's more like "Wow, this game is great. It reminds me of when I played II." In fact many people think it's better than II. I'll reserve that judgement for the ending credits.

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Ive read peoples opinions of this and have gathered that...people dislike this game because it does not have a "cook off minigame". Are you kidding me? First of all that mini game was not all that great...and secondly how can you judge a game completly based off of its mini games?

What morons said that? I loved the cook offs as much as the next guy, but damn. They weren't THAT good.

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Its also alarming how many people I have seen upset over the fact that Yuber or Pesmerga are not in this game. Who freaking cares? Pesmerga had like 5 lines total in all the games and really did not do much of anything. Yuber wasnt all that great either and became more pathetic when he showed up in that ridiculous outfit in Suikoden III.

A lot of that stems from the fact that the creators stated that Yuber and Pesmerga's relationship is a major part of the overall storyline, and will end with the last game in the series. So people just want to see more of it. I'd like to see more myself. Though what I really want more info on is Harmonia and Hikusaak. I'd really like one of the games to take place inside Harmonia.

I'm about 30 hours in now, and the game is most excellent. I really liked the scene where

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you duel Miakis.

For a silent hero, the Prince shows a lot of emotion. It's very well done.

FELIPE NO

Yeah I actually think the Silent hero bit works alot better then it did in IV. In IV it just always seemed awkward that he never said anything, but with the Prince...its hardly noticible (except during cutscenes when you see your name in text and they skip over it).

I think the dialogue is really well done in this game as well as there are alot of scenes so far that I think are memorable.

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When you meet Jeane after coming from Stormfist, Lyon telling the Prince not to look directly at her and Sialeeds saying "Even I can't compare...". That was great.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I actually wasnt comparing, BUT i really wanted the menu SFX for suikoden 2 to be used on suikoden 5, its just more easy on the ears.

Suikoden IV is good too, it was a little dissapointing (too short) but as people said, Suikoden is Suikoden it means that story is actually good, too bad most people thought it was bland

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Knighthawk

Yeah I actually think the Silent hero bit works alot better then it did in IV. In IV it just always seemed awkward that he never said anything, but with the Prince...its hardly noticible (except during cutscenes when you see your name in text and they skip over it).

Yeah, and I think the addition of Lyon also lessens the awkward effect of a silent hero. It actually seems to be her main purpose is to sort of act as an emotional translator when needed which is an excellent and creative way to do so while keeping with the Suikoden tradition.


Personally, I am really enjoying Suikoden V as well. It really does seem like Konomi took a step back and listened to the fans and critics of the last two games when making this one. I think the major appeal I found in Suikoden I&II was the great job it did in making the hero(you) feel like a celebrity in the game. NPCs always had a lot to say about your status, performance, and in game character with comments mostly directed at you rather than the common random things/people NPCs tend to talk about in other RPGs. Suikoden V brings this back in a very good way. I spend so much time in this game just walking around towns to see the kinds of things NPCs might comment on about the Hero.

Bring back the more Asian themed towns and using a lot of Asian instruments in the music is also something I'm appreciating as I always considered it a major part of Suikoden as well. I'm loving the personalities of the main players in this one as well. Queen Arshetat ended up having a totally different personality than what I was expecting by watching the intro.


There are technical problems with V though. The load times are a little excessive, but what is worse is the interface just feels very unresponsive to the point where it does take some of the enjoyment out of the game. The encounter rate, while not as bad as Suikoden IV it still way too high. The excessive load time into battle just makes this issue worse than it is.

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When you meet Jeane after coming from Stormfist, Lyon telling the Prince not to look directly at her and Sialeeds saying "Even I can't compare...". That was great.

On that same scene:

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Interesting, I encountered a totally different scene as I went to visit Jeane. I don't remember Sialeeds making a comment, but I had Lym in my party and she made a huge stink about the deal. She said something about the lines of "her Mother having a name for people like her, a HUSSY!" then Lym orders Jeane to put on some cloths or else.

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I actually wasnt comparing, BUT i really wanted the menu SFX for suikoden 2 to be used on suikoden 5, its just more easy on the ears.

There are soundsets in the game like in Suikoden II, but I haven't reached the point where I can use them. Who knows, they might have a classic sound set that you can change it to later on.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Knighthawk

I wish people would stop comparing every game with the word "Suikoden" in it, to Suikoden II. Yeah we get it, Suikoden II was great ...but why ruin a great game by comparing it to something completly different? Ive read peoples opinions of this and have gathered that...people dislike this game because it does not have a "cook off minigame".

From what I've been hearing, the comparisons are very favorable.

Also, it's a grievous sin that there's no cookoff, but I doubt that in and of itself is the reason why people don't like the game. god, you suck at reading.

and fuck you, yuber was awesome in III

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Got to the part where Hero and gang will go back to

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Sol Falena, and i read on someone's post if i dont recruit all 108 starts, Lyon and the aunt dies?

Well i'm quite okay with this game so far, i mean the camera angles takes time to getting used to and the battle rate is still high, Oh and dungeons still seems small but its okay, I love the VA for Lyon, oh i just wanted if someone from the previous suikoden will come back except Viki,jeane,Killey,Lorenta (Sorry if the name is wrong)

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Liquid_Snack

Got to the part where Hero and gang will go back to

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Sol Falena, and i read on someone's post if i dont recruit all 108 starts, Lyon and the aunt dies?

Well i'm quite okay with this game so far, i mean the camera angles takes time to getting used to and the battle rate is still high, Oh and dungeons still seems small but its okay, I love the VA for Lyon, oh i just wanted if someone from the previous suikoden will come back except Viki,jeane,Killey,Lorenta (Sorry if the name is wrong)

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Yup, Lyon will die if you don't have 108 stars... just like S1's Gremio revival thing

The voice work quality is superb in S5, especially the girls'. Miakis, Lyon and Lun's VA carried out their personalities, KONAMI finally did something right for once.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I just got this game today however I had to plow through a mob of KHII fans just to get to the game rack -.-. Really releasing this game on almost the same day as KHII was IMO a horrible decision. I read the manuel some..Konami went all out in this game. I don't expect an emulated suikoden II experience, but something far better. It is like all systems they've used from all games have been tuned up and placed into this one game - I really look forward to dueling.

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However the immortal difference between Suikoden and Final Fantasy will be that Suikoden has wonderful mythology to it and great backstory. Final Fantasy gives us eye-candy...oh yay.

Fixed.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The game was released a week before KH2. Konami doesn't give a shit about Suikoden fans anyways, so it's not surprising about the release date.

FELIPE NO

Actually it's okay, The fans will decide if they will buy Kh2 or Suikoden V, Well for me i started playing Suikoden V first (I have finished kh2 in japanese already)

And as for the game only one complaint, Character recruitment is hard for some unknown reason in this game, When i'm in Rainwall and i wanted to use one of my "Comrades" i cant find him in the list, i dont know what happened but it seems i can only bring the guy that i officialy "Befriended" but still i'm wondering how the hell can i use lady Sialeeds and Goerg again.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

When you are in Rainwall Georg becomes unavailable with his various missions but you shouldn't have any issues using Sialeeds. I am not sure what point in the story there you are at but talking to Barrows daughter allows you to add and switch in the members you have. Which at that point isn't very many in the beginning parts. But yeah you can only use the stars that you befriend or join you for a specific story sequence.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Oh, well i just came back from the trip from Lordlake so and might go to agate prison so yeah does this mean at this point i can only use the peoeple who have been officially "Befriended"?

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Is it normal to be at least 8 hours and still in Rainwall (Lord barrow and shit)?

Oh yangxu is that your guide on gamefaqs? its pretty usefull as i said earlier recruiting stars in this game is pretty hard because of the npc, looking the same as others.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Liquid_Snack

Oh, well i just came back from the trip from Lordlake so and might go to agate prison so yeah does this mean at this point i can only use the peoeple who have been officially "Befriended"?

Double Post:
Is it normal to be at least 8 hours and still in Rainwall (Lord barrow and shit)?

Oh yangxu is that your guide on gamefaqs? its pretty usefull as i said earlier recruiting stars in this game is pretty hard because of the npc, looking the same as others.

Yes, basically only those that befriended with you are useable at this moment... (excluding some of the reserved positions during certain events, ie. Sialeeds). It's normal if you are 8 hours into the game and are still at Rainwall. The game will pick up its pace once you get your tactician.

And yes, I wrote that character recruitment guide on gamefaqs, thanks for your encouragement I just feel that a guide dedicated solely to recruitment is needed so that people can get the info they want at a glance.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

well, im almost done with KH2. I hope I can pick this up tomorrow! I hope its still around.. I like how Konami prints like "not enough copies"

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Btw how many hours does it take to finish this game? I love how even sword swingers can be placed on the back and can still unlike (unlike Suikoden 2) by the way,

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it seems that Konami made Lucrecia a sort of "Shu"like character its awesome how she joined and all that and whatnot.

I was speaking idiomatically.