[Movie] Heroes Season Two Discussion

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so New York is once again threaten but not from a bomb but maybe a virus or... a plague

I was speaking idiomatically.

For those wondering, the bit in Montreal wasn't shot on location. They green screened it.

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yeah lol it looked so fake XD it's sad, it's seem they will not stay there really long, that's why I think they didn't shot it on location

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Well at least now the second season has some semblance of direction.

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Uh-oh !

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Now that Hiro's screwed history, I've got a suspicion that this "mysterious Adam" is going to be Kensei. I think during the break, they cast David Anders as some sort of "super-villian" (to my memory).

When you think about the name "Adam", you might associate it with the "first man" on Earth bible-thang. So far, Kensei's been the "first" person with powers. Furthermore, when you look at the photo of "the original twelve", one guy has his face a bit blurred, looking sideways. Kinda looks like Kensei...

Can't wait for next week. Is it me, or is Jessica/Niki so damn irrelevant?

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The guy with the turned face in the group photo is the Petrelli dad.
My guess is that they turned the face because the dad was suppose to look a lot like Nathan, according to the comics (where Petrelli and Linderman were in Vietnam.)

Yeah, a lot of it was fake. The Mexican car ride, the exterior shots in Ukraine, Montreal, and the future NY. They all have this weird brightness to it.

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Actually, I'm wondering if the reason Hiro isn't back yet is because he screwed up history.

He might have created an alternate time line because of what he's done to Kensei. Ando is living in the time line where Kensei saves the girl and defeats White Beard, whereas now Hiro is in an alternate time line where Kensei collaborates with White Beard and destroys the surrounding villages or something to that effect.

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Originally Posted by Matt

Actually, I'm wondering if the reason Hiro isn't back yet is because he screwed up history.

He might have created an alternate time line because of what he's done to Kensei. Ando is living in the time line where Kensei saves the girl and defeats White Beard, whereas now Hiro is in an alternate time line where Kensei collaborates with White Beard and destroys the surrounding villages or something to that effect.

Nah, if Hiro creates an alternate timeline, apparently Ando would know about it and the world would change around him. It makes no sense, but that's what they established in season 1 when Ando noticed that Hiro suddenly got into the waitress's birthday photograph and no one else found it strange.

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Originally Posted by Matt

Actually, I'm wondering if the reason Hiro isn't back yet is because he screwed up history.

He might have created an alternate time line because of what he's done to Kensei. Ando is living in the time line where Kensei saves the girl and defeats White Beard, whereas now Hiro is in an alternate time line where Kensei collaborates with White Beard and destroys the surrounding villages or something to that effect.

If that's true, then how are they reading it from the sword?

I'm betting that Hiro "is" the Kensei of the stories. And the "Kensei" that is the white dude in the past, will turn out to be the mastermind of "The Company" or at least some organization. I also think that he is still alive in the current modern timeline. A great example is how Hiro's dad died. Whatever dude pushed him off the building could either fly or heal like Claire. It'd make perfect sense.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Hm yeah. Maybe Kensei's power keeps him alive for hundreds of years, which would be perfect to match up "the symbol" to all of the death threats and what not.

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

If that's true, then how are they reading it from the sword?

I'm betting that Hiro "is" the Kensei of the stories. And the "Kensei" that is the white dude in the past, will turn out to be the mastermind of "The Company" or at least some organization. I also think that he is still alive in the current modern timeline. A great example is how Hiro's dad died. Whatever dude pushed him off the building could either fly or heal like Claire. It'd make perfect sense.

You be straight ballin'.

This episode actually didn't suck. It might have had something to do with the plot actually moving forward for once. The past storyline might actually be redeemable if Kensei turns out to be a total badass in the present.

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Best ep so far.

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This season I tried really hard to avoid spoilers as opposed to what I did last season. So the surprise at the ending was great. I thought Hiro's scenario was really well done. He stole the show for this week. I'm really glad they didn't have any Monica scenes to cheese it all up. I look forward to a rematch between Hiro and Adam. I just hope they don't rush climatic scenes anymore as they did in the past.

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I've got to agree this by far the best episode on Season 2.

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Gotta love the ending part, How i loved that Takezo kensei is a bad guy, even though he looked like a moron at first, i knew he was going to do something awesome. I am so excited for the upcoming episode, Here's a toast to Adam

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What's nice is that I know he can play a good villain from his whole run on Alias as "Sark."

I wish we would get some resolution on the stupid West subplot. As in, I wish he would die already.

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The Kensei/Adam thing wasn't a huge surprise, given that he can't die, and the name Adam tends to imply someone that is older/first. The inability to age is somewhat interesting; will Claire be a hot cheerleader for the next 400 years?

Much more fascinating to me were the implications of Peter's girlfriend being stranded in a distopian future. If she remains there, what happens whenever the Heroes in the present inevitably change the future and prevent the spread of the plague? She's not a product of the events that led up to the future, so while things around her would change, I assume she would stay the same.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

I wish we would get some resolution on the stupid West subplot. As in, I wish he would die already.

Well considering that

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painting of Noah dead and Claire holding someone, I say there's gonna be more plot developments for West and Claire.

And I like Monica from what I've seen from her so far, especially the potential of her powers.

Though I am concern that there's gonna be too many character and story arcs to juggle, I mean we got several villains and other new side characters introduced, along with Season 1's core cast.

Also:

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Nice to see D.L, despite the fact he's dead. When the actors said that just cause their character is dead doesn't mean they're out of a job, they weren't kidding.

And kudos on TheReverend for calling on the plot twist with Kensei. Nice work!

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Now that we've come to a big plot point, I have a feeling next week is going to steer away from the current story, and they might pull a 'Five Months Earlier' episode. Beh.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

Now that we've come to a big plot point, I have a feeling next week is going to steer away from the current story, and they might pull a 'Five Months Earlier' episode. Beh.

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I did hear that they were going to show a episode that goes back and completely shows the full events that happened when the "bomb" went off.

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Originally Posted by Sousuke

Now that we've come to a big plot point, I have a feeling next week is going to steer away from the current story, and they might pull a 'Five Months Earlier' episode. Beh.

Are you sure you didn't google this before you posted? Cause that's what they're doing in the next episode.

Except is 4 months, not 5.

Also seems like Kring actually listens to fans. All the critisim mentioned by you guys in the initial episodes is here in this interview. And while the episodes to me weren't garbage and I like Monica, I do agree with every single point.

''Heroes'' creator to fans: I'm super sorry | Heroes | Television News | TV | Entertainment Weekly

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On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes — he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes — and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter's story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''

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I just wanna say.. the newest vid on Hana's blog ( http://samantha48616e61.com/ ) is pretty cool. Seeing the explosion from another angle is kinna neat. You can see peter falling and nathan catching him too..

Also, are Nathan's and West's powers more different than they seem? At first I thought they were the same, being able to fly. But now that I think about it, Nathan has always flown very, very fast. When we see West fly it's pretty slow and calm.

Like in that video, Nathan shoots off like a fucking rocket. West moves like a turtle in comparison.

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Originally Posted by SILBER-5

Also, are Nathan's and West's powers more different than they seem? At first I thought they were the same, being able to fly. But now that I think about it, Nathan has always flown very, very fast. When we see West fly it's pretty slow and calm.

Like in that video, Nathan shoots off like a fucking rocket. West moves like a turtle in comparison.

I'd chalk that up to Nathan being new to using his powers, and not having as much control over them as West. Plus, have we seen a situation with Nathan where he hasn't needed to take off in a hurry? Also, didn't West take off like a rocket when he and Claire met up for their first date to avoid Noah?

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Are you sure you didn't google this before you posted? Cause that's what they're doing in the next episode.

Nope, no Google! I knew from the beginning of the season that there was going to be such an episode somewhere in the season, but I didn't really know when. I just took a guess at next week, because of what's going on in the different plotlines... They did it last season, too.

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It's been speculated that in that explosion.. (with a little proof)

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it's Peter that's catching Nathan.

How? First, I've read that people say there's an image of Peter holding burnt Nathan in a TVGuide issue.

So then the scene probably goes like this..
They both blew up > Nathan and Peter are all fucked up > Peter heals and catches Nathan (the smoke trail is because he's still hot from blowing up.)

This would explain Nathan's Two-Face look, but not how he's normal looking.. unless it's an illusion.
Nathan is probably unconscious while being caught, and then The Haitian helps Peter disappear and everyone tells Nathan that Peter is dead.

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Its kinda hard to tell who saved who till next episode cause both brothers are able to fly, with Peter being a Mimic and all...

And the possible clash with the Haitian is said to also involve Elle, that electrical girl. Least thats what I heard from synopsis online.

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I have a random question. What is the relationship between Sylar and cockroaches? There's a cockroach when he breaks out of the prison HRG held him in; when he vanishes into the sewer at the end of season 1; and when he kills the American traveling with him and the illegals. Any thoughts?

Before season 2 began, I thought they might have something to do with the “bad man” Molly mentioned during the season 1 finale but now I know that is not the case.

I was speaking idiomatically.