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View Poll Results: Firearms! | |||
FOR! (The only right answer) | 21 | 38.18% | |
Against (Insert random joke) | 32 | 58.18% | |
Undecided (too weak to have your own opinion?) | 2 | 3.64% | |
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll |
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The possibility of a corrupt government taking power today or in the future in the U.S. is still possible, and therefore citizens should have the right to carry weapons to protect themselves against any corrupt government that could potentially arise or a potential breakdown in civil order.
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Last edited by lordjames; Mar 30, 2006 at 01:52 AM.
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lordjames, i completely agree with you. the 2nd amendment is the most important right in my book cause it's the only one that allows you protect yourself and your freedoms on an individual level. you're preaching to the choir with me, but the thing is.... this is the gff pp. nobody changes their minds or really listens to anything anybody says! they just keep rambling on and on, trying to be "right." nobody in here will change their opinion on the subject despite how many different angles are shown.
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Neither side can prove their case. And to those who have picked a side, it seems entirely logical and common sense to stick to their assumptions. Then they get to play with the numbers and statistics to make themselves appear right. MetheGelfling, are you suggesting that the PP be closed? Sure debates are not 'won', and sure people just repeat themselves 'till they are blue in the face, but it still provides some insight (and entertainment) as to what people think of an issue. That for the most part one's bottom line beliefs are already established doesn't mean that additional information and comment isn't warranted. FELIPE NO
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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oh no, of course not. I don't mean the political palace as a whole. i just meant this thread. this could go on for like 14 pages of posts of nothing but the same old rehash arguments that people have been regurgitating for forever.
"guns don't kill people, people kill people." "guns don't kill people, bullets kill people." "if we didn't have guns then people wouldn't get shot." "you wanna get capped sucka?!" now if somebody wants to come in and blow my mind with something new then go for it. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
I know what you mean about not changing anyone's mind. However, it's still interesting to hear what people have to say. This is an important issue to me, and so I hope that the thread remains open...
I believe that a someones views on this issue say alot about what kind of person they are. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Chocobo |
(Christian-head is an inside joke that our history teacher said. He uses it to get everyone's attention. For example, baseball-heads/music-heads/etc.)
Controlling all weapons is overdoing it. Controlling (not eliminating) guns designed to kill other people might help the problem. If your worried about getting shot at night, well, try not to piss people off and if that can't be helped, use a shotgun (you don't have to aim as much anyway...). Perhaps there is an alternative to controlling weapons to reduce crime. I think it was Rudy Giuliani (mayor, NYC) who reduced crime rates alot. What means did he go by? There's nowhere I can't reach. |
oh yeah, "controlling" guns is a new argument. gimme a break. "controlling" guns in the way you suggest is basically registering them with the federal gov't. the only people that this keeps in check are law abiding citizens.
here's a figure for you. as of 1986, there were 150,000 fully automatic firearms legally civillian owned in the US. How many of them were used in crimes? "so minimal as not to be considered a law enforcement problem." Farmer v. Higgins. It's debatable as to whether or not Giuliani's policies in NYC really had much to do with the reduced crime rates. Before his election there was a reduction in crime already taking place on a national level. It was a bit of smooth politicking to take credit for that. After he received credit for reduction in crime in NYC, other cities around the country attempted similar methods but with very mixed results. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Chocobo |
Good lord, why would someone ever need a fully automatic weapon?!?!?!?
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Man, it's such a cute argument, you know? I love it.
"Man, if you.... if you make a law, the only people who will obey it are, they're the ones who aren't criminals!" Shit, man, you guys have GLEAMED THE CUBE. Laws are USELESS against people who don't follow the law! Prove a correlation? Wow, uh. Do I need to PROVE that having a device that uses explosive force to hurl pointy metal things at people might result in people getting hurt more often? Yeah, that's a real stumper, we'd better get out our scratch paper and do some EQUATIONS. You see, the 2nd Amendment is the most important of the amendments, as it will allow us to RISE UP and get run over by tanks when the ZOG tries to repeal, uh, the 2nd Amendment? Are there other ones? I was speaking idiomatically. |
5 infantry could take down a tank in Red Alert. Why lie.
The point about law abiding citizens following a registry is because registering a weapon signifies intent to use it. If you register your weapon, chances are you bought it for personal protection, hunting, whatever else people go gaga for. If, however, you bought a weapon and didn't register it, then the assumtion is that it would be used for some nefarious purpose. Here's the problem, though. In a national gun registry, how are we supposed to know who has unregistered weapons?
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Chocobo |
O dear, I'm getting off subject... Most amazing jew boots |
People that don't obey laws couldn't be deemed law-abiding citizens, could they? Most of the time, depending on the seriousness of the law and in the sphere of certain types of laws (criminal, for example), people that ignore the law are criminals. Secondly, yes, you do need to prove the correlation. Guns aren't the only "dangerous" things out there, and we could just as easily posit that the presence of those things is the culprit behind the increase in murders (string, knives, cars, etc.). Just look at the absurdity of this example: The presence of cars is the source of so many drive-by shootings. Yes, it may have been a material accessory in the shootings, but the source, or even a negligible factor? Comeon. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
Last edited by lordjames; Mar 30, 2006 at 10:51 PM.
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Jam it back in, in the dark. |
It's like Lil' Abner found an AppleII. Most amazing jew boots |
To take the ever popular car example. If there were no cars, people would not be run over, or crash into each other, or drive off the road killing themselves etc. So it would obviously result in less injuries, but it's not something that is practical, or worth the cost. ... Unless of course someone can argue that criminals would still get cars (true), and that they would make up the difference in automotive related injuries. This whole topic really seems to be argued by the pro-gun camp a little wrong from my point of view. Instead of arguing that guns don't kill people. Hell, they actually help people, and are the most important liberty ever dreamed of. It'd be a whole lot easier to handle the argument that yeah, they kill some people, yeah, it makes killing people easier, but it's worthwhile despite that cost. At least it'd be honest. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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I mean, what, if there were no guns, would gang members throw pieces of 'string' at one another? Or maybe there'd be a rapid increase in the number of deaths by drive-by knife-throwings; probably, probably. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? Nothing wrong with not being strong
Nothing says we need to beat what's wrong Nothing manmade remains made long That's a debt we can't back out of |
I like how in the wonderful world of pro-firearm, law-abiding citizens are law-abiding citizens and criminals are criminals.
[capslock]THE WORLD IS NOT THAT SIMPLE, FOLKS.[/capslock] I was speaking idiomatically. |
Also, it's going to happen anyways isn't a valid argument. If something is worth being outlawed, the scale to which the law will be broken is not a factor. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? so they may learn the glorious craft of acting from the dear leader |
FELIPE NO |
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Is it just me, or weren't we a hell of a lot more brutal toward each other when we only had sharp things to kill each other with?
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
I was criticizing the argument that "law-abiding citizens" should have a right to bear firearms. Of course, every criminal was a law-abiding citizen before he became a criminal. Because frankly, if a firearm is used to inflict lethal injury, it's usually a crime; thus the perpetrator becomes a criminal. I might also add that "criminals" are usually kept in prisons and don't even have a chance to fire a gun in the first place. However, this seems to be a concept unfamiliar with people living in a black and white world with no color inbetween. "Just hand out guns to us fine folks. Only a criminal would abuse a gun." -__- There's nowhere I can't reach. |
I am not what you call 'anti-gun' but I find that a lot of them get into the wrong hands. In America, more people die from gun-related violence a year then a few hurricane seasons.
The media always has news of a gun murder here and there and it keeps people in fear that someone is gonna bust into their home and shoot them, so they take the right to bear arms seriously and get a gun. The shoot-first law in Florida is just creepy… real criminals now have a easy loop hole to jump through to get out of jail time, they can shoot a random person and say that he/she where attacking or threatening them. I hardly ‘ever’ heard of someone getting shot here in my province. Everyone in my family have shot-guns. We keep them in a closet in the basement unloaded, and are only taken out in hunting seasons like moose or sealing. The same story can be heard across Canada. I guess what I am trying to say is… why do Americans love guns so much and why are they always shooting each other? Gun murders are on the rise in Toronto, and most of the guns involved where smuggled from the states. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
[QUOTE=lordjames]Is this supposed to be witty? And why the fuck are you capping words that have no business being capped?[quote]
Well, sir, if you can't provide conclusive proof that my use of allcaps is harming anyone, I am compelled to continue. After all, asking someone to stop doing something just because it's stupid and pointless is a completely unreasonable way to behave.
I mean, are you nuts? Nearly everyone is a criminal of some kind. Police departments wouldn't be able to get their funding without the guarantee that most people will try to bypass the speed limit. All you're doing is drawing an arbitrary line in the sand regarding which forms of criminality are more icky than others.
I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
But you are honestly saying that less guns would not result in less people getting hurt, because it's just an asinine theory that it would reduce such incidents? How many kids shoot themselves or someone else by accident each year, using a firearm which is owned by their upstanding citizen parent? Let's say this figure is 1. Is it really completely unreasonable, and ass-backwards to believe that the odds are lessend for this situation if there wasn't a gun in the house? Would the kid instead be guaranteed to go out and find one of Manis Tricuspis' criminals. Have them sell a black market gun, and then accidentally shoot someone? Or would they make their own gun, then accidentally shoot someone? Which one of these scenarios is the one that would neccessarily occur in order to keep the number of incidents at least as high as the year before gun regulation? You do see that both sides of the issue make their assumptions based on little-to-nothing, and then just tell the other side to put up or shut up right? I was speaking idiomatically.
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote."
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