[DS] How do you get 3,000 pikachus on a bus? POKEMON!

Haha wow. I didn't know about the One-hit KO Clause or the Species Clause. Though I don't think that's anything to sweat over. The Evasion Clause doesn't seem necessary in my opinion. Crash just said it for me, if you make a sweeper team it'll be your own fault for not preparing to fight a DT staller. You have Defog, Aerial Ace, Swift, Lock On, Foresight~ and they're all at your disposal.

Besides, this is more like a practice tournament. I'd like to see how our matches fold out. At least this way I will know what to improve on next time. IF this becomes a regular thing.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

When we list our teams, do we have to list the attached items? I'd like to think that some of those things are supposed to be surprises (like Focus Band) and revealing them beforehand ruins the entire strategy.
I know some tourneys require item listing so that nobody has a team full of Leftovers or Petaya Berries, but I don't mind. They're all valid strategies in my book.

Nope!
You don't need to tell me or anyone what items you're using. Though after reading about this Enigma berry, it's pretty damn potent. So, I'd like it if that item would not be used in this tournament. I'll just edit that into the rules.

edit:

tournament info from the last page:

*bump*

Well I had some time to figure out the tournament layout and I came to this *click here for a bracket layout.*

Nothing fancy since my word/excel skills are rusty but this is a easy way to keep track of results. Ie, we can simply hold each bracket on a schedule (maybe every 3 to 5 days) instead of scrambling to find whoever you need to battle. Any input on this?

Q: Ok so it's round robin, what do we do next?
A: Well the next thing I'd like to know is the team of pokemon you plan to use. Once that's out of the way and If we're all ok with this setup. Then the next thing you need to do is contact the person you're supposed to challenge. Once you finish your match(es) for a bracket, you can report to me via PM/IM and tell me the results or post about it in this thread~ afterall we all like war stories.

From there, I'm still thinking.
There's only nine of us participating so I was thinking each player in a given bracket plays best 2 out of 3. In between each battle you can modify your team order if you want (hopefully that'll make the matches less boring.) I was also considering the idea of "bench warmers" but that might lag things a little too much. Any input there would help!

Or!

Same idea, just nix the "best 2 out of 3" stuff. It'll go much faster but that may seem a bit, I don't know. Less exciting.

As for rules I'll go with the standard I've seen around other sites, which is:

- 6 on 6 single battle OR 3 on 3 single battle @ lv.100 (it's up to you, if neither of you can't decide flip a coin.)
- No Uber Pokemon, current list is:
Mewtwo
Mew
Wobbuffet
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Wynaut
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Darkrai
Arceus
- Sleep Clause is in effect: Only one pokemon on your opponent's team at a time can be put to sleep by you.
- Enigma Berry Clause is in effect: Do not use that hold item!

So what do you guys think? Questions? I'm pretty sure the Round Robin page is self-explanatory-- but if you're confused on the system just say so. I'll try to answer as soon as possible.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Okay, these are some rules that I read and have played by

This would be a very cheap thing to do which is why Double Team is pretty much banned

Ninjask
Substitue
Double Team
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

Now you could technically use mean look (not sure how it affects substitue, if you have it prepared but if you have someone use substitue for a long time, ninjasks speed will go through the roof, using double team and swords dance, then use Baton pass to pull in Gyrados and have him Use Hyperbeam or something. Thats why 2X team is banned.

The OHKO rule is kind of one of those things that if you hit someone with Gillotene or something, it kinda takes any strategy out of the game. pop in 6 pinsirs all with G-tine and have em use it every time, its bound to hit.

And the other rule I've played with is a no Legendary rule (this also includes Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres and Mew2) And no Uber Pokemon rule.

I don't exactly understand why wobba wobba got banned..sure his hp is through the roof but so is Happiny and Snorlax

And EV's are affected with the lev 100 push...either that or Tyrannitar is naturally faster than a raichu

And with items, usually there is a rule where you can only have ONE item, no duplicates and then also a no more than 2 baton pass rule as well as a no more than 2 pokemon may be asleep rule

Anyways, there is my view point

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I'd abide to the only one item rule, but then it would mean deciding on keeping the Expert Belt of either Alakazam or Lucario...

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yeah, the whole purpose of it though is like 6 Leftovers or 6 shell bells..or in your case 999 LawL

How ya doing, buddy?

By one item you don't mean just one item on ONE pokemon the whole time and no items on the other 5?

But yeah, I would like to enter the tournament. I'm trying to round up more gffer's that play to see if they're interested or not.

I do have one question, however.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

- Sleep Clause is in effect: Only one pokemon on your opponent's team at a time can be put to sleep by you.

What if you put your own to sleep?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Slash

Yeah, the whole purpose of it though is like 6 Leftovers or 6 shell bells..or in your case 999 LawL

True.

But I'm not that cheap when it comes to attaching items. They usually vary from Pokemon to Pokemon in my game. There's just certain ones I'd slap on to others multiple times, which in my case, is the Expert Belt, but that's only with two Pokemon.

As for the one item rule, it's you can only have ONE of a certain item in your team. All six Pokemon can hold items, but all six must be different from each other.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Like I thought.


It's Unown time.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Slash

Okay, these are some rules that I read and have played by

This would be a very cheap thing to do which is why Double Team is pretty much banned

Ninjask
Substitue
Double Team
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

Now you could technically use mean look (not sure how it affects substitue, if you have it prepared but if you have someone use substitue for a long time, ninjasks speed will go through the roof, using double team and swords dance, then use Baton pass to pull in Gyrados and have him Use Hyperbeam or something. Thats why 2X team is banned.

So there's absolutely no counter to this strategy? I thought there are a few moves in the game that can go through substitute. But if there really is no way to break this combo aside from Choice Specs + Ice Shard or a Trick Room Team then maybe I should ban the use of evasion techniques.

Anyone agree or disagree?

Originally Posted by Slash

The OHKO rule is kind of one of those things that if you hit someone with Gillotene or something, it kinda takes any strategy out of the game. pop in 6 pinsirs all with G-tine and have em use it every time, its bound to hit.

Well the odds are extremely stacked against a team of all OHKO'ers if you think about it. So many things could stop them. Protect, abilities that cancel out OHKO moves, and probably Focus Sash to name a few. I don't see how it's a real problem unless everyone decides to use the move with all their pokemon.

Originally Posted by Slaash

And the other rule I've played with is a no Legendary rule (this also includes Zapdos, Articuno, Moltres and Mew2) And no Uber Pokemon rule.

Bleh I'll add them to the listing, the birds that is. Thanks for catching that.

Quote:

I don't exactly understand why wobba wobba got banned..sure his hp is through the roof but so is Happiny and Snorlax

I believe it has more to do with its no escape ability that's coupled with its move set. Wobbuffets seems to only have one purpose and that purpose is to just sit there and absorb/reflect hits.

Originally Posted by Slash

And EV's are affected with the lev 100 push...either that or Tyrannitar is naturally faster than a raichu

Maybe the Tyannitar had a Choice Scarf?

Even with a negative speed nature Raichu it's still faster than a Tyrannitar with a positive speed nature (if EVs aren't considered.)
Buuut it is possible if the Tyrannitar was trained with 252 speed EVs and the Raichu had no EV training in that stat. Of course this can only happen if Raichu had no positive speed nature while Tyrannitar did.

Originally Posted by Slash

And with items, usually there is a rule where you can only have ONE item, no duplicates and then also a no more than 2 baton pass rule as well as a no more than 2 pokemon may be asleep rule

Anyways, there is my view point

Well I'm not going to restrict everyone from using what they want. Use six leftovers if you want, though I can't say that's the best setup for hold items.
I'm sure most of us will stick with a different item on each of their pokemon. I know I will.

Originally Posted by ^-^

What if you put your own to sleep?

You can put your whole team to sleep if you want. The clause is in effect when you make a pokemon on the opposing side sleep.

*updated July 25* Rules:

- 6 on 6 single battle OR 3 on 3 single battle @ lv.100 (it's up to you, if neither of you can't decide flip a coin.)
- No Legendary or Uber Pokemon, current list is:
Articuno
Moltres
Zapdos
Mewtwo
Mew
Wobbuffet
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Wynaut
Latias
Latios
Celebi
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Jirachi
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Cresselia
Manaphy
Phione
Shaymin
Darkrai
Arceus
- Sleep Clause: Only one pokemon on your opponent's team at a time can be put to sleep by you.
- Enigma Berry Clause: Do not use that hold item!
- *still considering* Evasion Clause: Do not use Double Team or Minimize.

Anyway, once the rules are ironed out I think I'll close sign ups and begin this tournament by Friday, July 27th.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Kairyu

So there's absolutely no counter to this strategy?

- Psych Up
- Aerial Ace
- Aura Sphere
- Magical Leaf
- Swift

Any attacks that don't miss and you can even out the miss odds with Psych Up, since it just copies what you opponent has set up. I used that against a friend on a marching band trip we were on, I didn't expect him to use Psych Up, and he ended up destroying my Ninjask that had set up the move. From that point on, I had problems dealing with the Medicham he has sent out to match Ninjask's stats.

There are ways to counter it, but people want to be in and out with battles, they don't wanna take the time to break through the defenses and sit through a long battle.

With my team, I could beat down someone who uses Double Team with no problem at all. Well... Some considering type matchings, but I have a way to counter it if it happens to me.

I dunno about the rest of you though.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

True, I just thought a way to destroy a 2x team is to just disable 2xTeam

back to driving in CA

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

If the legendary birds are going to be banned, shouldn't the other legendaries be banned too? I don't know if that was an oversight or not, but I figure I should point that out before somebody brings a team of Regis through a technicality.

Anyway, I do have some counters to Double Teaming, but those plans take forever to execute. I'm not going to spoil anything by saying how they work though. Anybody whose played me before should know what I'm talking about.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, Usually the legendary rule follows any Legendary pokemon. Basically, if you aren't sure its a legendary, you're best not to use it.

Because there would be a huge list

since you have the Regis, the Fairys and all kinds of stuff to place into that

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Yeah, I wasn't exactly sure if Kairyu neglected to place the rest of the legendaries on this tournament's banned list intentionally. I didn't see them, so I figure I'd ask.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Identity Crisis

If the legendary birds are going to be banned, shouldn't the other legendaries be banned too? I don't know if that was an oversight or not, but I figure I should point that out before somebody brings a team of Regis through a technicality.

Yes it was an oversight. I'm out to lunch so I'm bound to make errors =p.
I'll try to correct that list again when I have time. But for now no legendaries means no legendaries!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

wait-

Usually doubleteam is the only evasive move banned (as far as I've seen >_>.)

If you're too impatient to win.... was it really worth it?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

To me, that's just means you're unprepared for the battle. A good trainer would be ready for anything.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Slash

This would be a very cheap thing to do which is why Double Team is pretty much banned

Ninjask
Substitue
Double Team
Baton Pass
Swords Dance

Now you could technically use mean look (not sure how it affects substitue, if you have it prepared but if you have someone use substitue for a long time, ninjasks speed will go through the roof, using double team and swords dance, then use Baton pass to pull in Gyrados and have him Use Hyperbeam or something. Thats why 2X team is banned.

The antidote is very simple.

Protect.
Then while Gyarados is recovering, Haze.

Back on even ground.

And there's plenty of Hazers out there, all of which can learn Protect.

A well-timed Sucker Punch could also do the trick.


Also, define "Legendary". Personally, I don't have a huge problem with the birds or dogs. I still think Skarmory is a bigger threat than Moltres or Suicune. And I've never had an issue with Jiraichi.

What about stuff like Cresselia, Heatran or Rotom? Are they legendary too now?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I'm just wondering if Phione falls into that category also...

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

No. Cresslia is an event, and Rotom/Heatran aren't legendary. Neither is Phione.

Really, you should use the list for the old legendaries, then say "Pokemon past #XXX, including X, X, and X, are banned."

Ah. I may have killed myself here.
I ran into a list online, and this tends to be a consensus..

Quote:

-Deoxys
-Deoxys-E
-Deoxys-F
-Deoxys-L
-Groudon
-Ho-oh
-Latias
-Kyogre
-Latios
-Lugia
-Mew
-Mewtwo
-Rayquaza
-Wobbuffet
-Wynaut
-Dialga
-Palkia
-Giratina
-Arceus
-Jirachi
-Manaphy
-Entei
-Suicunne
-Raiku
-Darkrai
-Heatran
-Shaymin

this list seems to be what everybody follows, be it legit, fair play, or anything else.

The 2006 Pokemon Challenge came up with some interesting ways to get to this. (an Adobe acrobat reader-link, so make sure you can view it)

and of course, everybody who went to the gamestop tournament recognizes

Quote:

• No cheats or hacks of any kind are to be used. Contestants will be disqualified if they are caught using any cheat or 3rd party "helper" applications.

• Taking advantage of known exploits in the game is also considered cheating. Exploits in the game could include, without limitation, bugs that allow you to hide under obstacles or objects in the game to gain invulnerability. If a Tournament staff member finds that you are cheating, you will be disqualified immediately from the Tournament with no recourse for yourself.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Alright I'm back, to answer Crash's question about Legendary Pokemon. It usually means the follow things:
- They are one of a kind
- Cannot be bred
- Have very high base stats (usually 580 and up)

Now I don't know if Phione or Rotom can be considered "Legendary" Pokemon. For all I know, they could be pre-evolution forms of a Pokemon in a future game. But their base stats kinda say otherwise.

So I've come up with a new listing of Pokemon we shouldn't use. Rather than saying "No Legendary Pokemon Allowed." Because even that is starting to confuse me with all its exceptions.
How about we not allow any Pokemon with a base stat of 600 and up? That would be:

Arceus
Mewtwo
Lugia
Ho-oh
Rayquaza
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Slaking
Kyogre
Groudon
Regigigas
Dragonite
Mew
Tyranitar
Celebi
Salamence
Metagross
Latias
Latios
Jirachi
Deoxys (all forms)
Garchomp
Heatran
Cresselia
Manaphy
Darkrai
Shaymin

Along with the few ubers like:
Wobbuffet
Wynaut

That seems to cover everything plus some of the overused pokemon like Tyrannitar and Salamence.
Eh, I'm still fairly shaky on what to allow and not allow since you can literally make a "cheap" combo out of any bracket. It's hard to find a good middle ground .

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

How the fuck did Tyranitar, Salamence, Metagross and Dragonite get into there? Thats b/s since they aren't legendary

FELIPE NO

I'm not so down with the 600 Base idea. I have a Dragonite on my team, and me not being able to use it destroys half my strategy for this tournament.

Slash, their base stats are over/at 600.

Slaking - 670 (Just weighed down by a horrendous ability)
Dragonite, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp - 600

:|

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Chaotic

I'm not so down with the 600 Base idea. I have a Dragonite on my team, and me not being able to use it destroys half my strategy for this tournament.

Slash, their base stats are over/at 600.

Slaking - 670 (Just weighed down by a horrendous ability)
Dragonite, Salamence, Metagross, Garchomp - 600

:|

I already knew thats why but like I said...thats b/s.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Haha, I thought not.
I have a Dragonite too and as my only OU pokemon in the team I'll be severely weakened as well. If you want to start counting points.
So, maybe we should simply stick with the "standard" ban list everybody else seems to use?

That standard being...:

Mewtwo
Mew
Wobbuffet
Lugia
Ho-Oh
Wynaut
Latias
Latios
Kyogre
Groudon
Rayquaza
Deoxys (all forms)
Dialga
Palkia
Giratina
Darkrai
Arceus

Yes that means you can use your Birds, Regis, Manaphy and even Rotom.
I need ideas people .

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I'd say ban the Birds, Regis, the Dogs, and Manaphy.

Rotom, I'd say is alright. I see that thing wedged into normal teams in PBR anyway.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.