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Originally Posted by Radez29

Ie, suppose someone rear ends him, and because he's practically bumper to bumper, he rolls forward and rear ends me.

This actually brings to mind a question I discussed with someone (not in these forums) a couple of months ago: what if you were the person in the middle? Laws might vary from state to state (or province, what have you) on this, but would you be at fault? Theoretically if someone rear-ends you, causing you to rear-end the person in front of you, the person in front could hold you partly responsible because their jacka** lawyer would argue you wouldn't have rear-ended them if you had put enough space between you and the car in front. I know that may sound ridiculous with how you wouldn't have rear-ended them in the first place if you weren't rear-ended yourself, not to mention that you're the unlucky one that has both the front and back of your car to get fixed. But then, we hear of some pretty stupid lawsuits almost every day in this country.

I think whoever started it would be at fault completely where I live (PA), but I don't know if the same is true everywhere else.

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I think you're at fault everywhere.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Ditto what RR said. You're supposed to be in control of your vehicle at all times. If someone rear ends you and you slide forward five feet, then you fucked up somewhere.

Now, I mean I guess you could sue the guy who hit you for damages including whatever you had to pay out and see if you could win. I figure extenuating circumstances, a fully loaded van going 95 into the back of your car's going to move you forward no matter what you do.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Arainach

Crash - slowing down to conserve momentum not only conserves a LOT of gas, for those of us with manual transmissions it saves a pile of wear on the clutch too, and those things aren't cheap. I won't be changing my habits any time soon.

Also, Killy, engine braking is downshifting to slow down, and it doesn't save gas, it burns it. What Crash is describing is simply slowing down a bit and taking your foot off the gas to ensure that when the light turns green you're still rolling and you don't have to do a full start from stopped again.

Slowing down to conserve momentum saves gas when you're approaching a RED light about to turn GREEN, not the other way around, which is what Crash is describing. I'd be upset if somebody took five years to get to the damn red light, too.

Engine braking is leaving the vehicle in gear, or downshifting, in order to use the engine drag to slow the vehicle. This is definitely a SAFER prodedure when driving a big rig, but unnecessary in a passenger vehicle other than a bus, because the vehicle just doesn't weigh that much.

I don't engine brake. If you drive a manual, you should just throw in the clutch, and use the brakes to control your decline in speed, instead of downshifting each gear. If it's an automatic, the sooner you hit the brakes and starting slowing, the sooner it kicks outta gear. Some even kick out of gear fairly soon after just letting off the accelerator.
This saves you wear on the clutch AND the engine, and conserves gas. Brake pads are MUCH cheaper to replace than either the clutch or engine, or even for the price of gas nowadays.

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Engine braking is leaving the vehicle in gear, or downshifting, in order to use the engine drag to slow the vehicle. This is definitely a SAFER prodedure when driving a big rig, but unnecessary in a passenger vehicle other than a bus, because the vehicle just doesn't weigh that much.

So engine breaking means both. In any case, downshifting is hardly as gas-conserving as leaving the car in gear, since downshifting requires reving and synchronization. Of course, the faster you go the harder it is to time the engine braking with traffic ahead, but it's very useful if you're driving in dense traffic downtown, where you don't gain that much speed between stops.

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Originally Posted by Crash

1: Anyone who spies an oncoming red light and attempts to conserve inertia by never actually stopping but instead slowing down at 200 yards away, then slowly creeping up on the light, dragging the last fifty yards out forever at a whopping 3 mph.

Originally Posted by Zeph

Slowing down to conserve momentum saves gas when you're approaching a RED light about to turn GREEN, not the other way around, which is what Crash is describing.

10-4.

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Originally Posted by Radez29

Ditto what RR said. You're supposed to be in control of your vehicle at all times. If someone rear ends you and you slide forward five feet, then you fucked up somewhere.

Now, I mean I guess you could sue the guy who hit you for damages including whatever you had to pay out and see if you could win. I figure extenuating circumstances, a fully loaded van going 95 into the back of your car's going to move you forward no matter what you do.

Actually... I had that case happen to me. I was in the middle car but the girl behind me was at the fault. To this day though, I'm thankful that the guy ahead of me stayed for the police because of his tiny dent shown enough proof that I did stopped and gave enough space ahead of me before that girl rammed into my car hard enough. (Imagine my back bumper of the car right front of her windshield.) Its just a terrible spot... and that's my first serious accident that was to be taken down on a police report. All of us were college kids heading home and the road was a two lane highway and the construction was going on for the left lane. :\ Going over the hill and coming down to see a LONG frozen line is what caused the whole series of accidents from there. This was in Texas by the way, I feel bad for the girl though, she lost her car (engine was smoking) but she was tailgating me the whole time.

And my biggest pet peeve? Tailgaters. :\

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver

10-4.

Maybe I translated it wrong to myself. I thought by "oncoming red light" he meant, like, the red light is coming...you know, maybe it's yellow, and the red light is still....COMING.

Fuck it.

Killy, you're an idiot. Just drive a fucking automatic. Lord knows I wouldn't want you trying to engine brake into my asshole.

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Apparently there is a speed limit of +/- 90 km/h for trucks and I happen to like to drive at 90 km/h on the right lane.

Now these trucks seem to hate it that there is a little car between two trucks. I don't really know what the problem is though.

I guess one truck wants to pass the other and I'm preventing the truck to do so.

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Killy, you're an idiot. Just drive a fucking automatic. Lord knows I wouldn't want you trying to engine brake into my asshole.

Ain't my fault you is a big pussy drivin' with auto, scared of sticks mm? I just want to save up on fuel and brake pads. I recommend you do the same and while you're at it, get a manual. Automatic is just... pussy.

I was speaking idiomatically.

No... I think he means that, from your description of what you think "engine braking" is, you obviously don't know how to drive a fucking manual car; therefore he wouldn't want to be the one in front of you when you attempt your fumbling fucked up braking at his expense.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Killy

Ain't my fault you is a big pussy drivin' with auto, scared of sticks mm? I just want to save up on fuel and brake pads. I recommend you do the same and while you're at it, get a manual. Automatic is just... pussy.

The next time I'm straddling the gearshift in my truck, I'll just remind myself how much it resembles your mother's phallus.

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No... I think he means that, from your description of what you think "engine braking" is, you obviously don't know how to drive a fucking manual car; therefore he wouldn't want to be the one in front of you when you attempt your fumbling fucked up braking at his expense.

Right right, or both of you motherfuckers need to learn how to read. I don't "think" engine braking is something, I know what it is - the question was how you retards chose to define it. Letting go of the gas is engine braking, without downshifting - and it doesn't take magic to pull it off. That's how I do it and that's how I'll keep doing it. You pussies keep driving automatic.

Zeph, if you need to lick it like a monkey in order to analyse it and figure out how it works - go for it.

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Originally Posted by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_braking

Engine braking is always active in all non-hybrid vehicles with an internal combustion engine, regardless of transmission type. Engine braking passively reduces wear on brakes and helps a driver maintain control of the vehicle. It is always active when the foot is lifted off the accelerator, the transmission is not in neutral, the clutch is engaged and a freewheel is not engaged. This is often called engine drag.

In Hybrid Synergy Drive vehicles like the Toyota Prius, engine braking is simulated by the computer software to match the feel of a traditional automatic transmission. An additional "B" mode is also available that simulates the feel of a lower gear, and which uses the internal combustion engine to waste energy, preventing the battery from becoming overcharged.

Active use of engine braking (shifting into a lower gear) is only advantageous when it is necessary to control speed while driving down very steep and long slopes. It should be applied before regular disk or drum brakes have been used, leaving the brakes available to make emergency stops. The desired speed is maintained by using engine braking to counteract the acceleration due to gravity.

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Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Arainach:
"Also, Killy, engine braking is downshifting to slow down, and it doesn't save gas, it burns it."


I don't agree, because when I engine brake I clearly see on the screen that the fuel usage is 0 l/100km. What do you mean by "it burns it"? (Unless the computer is wrong)

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I don't agree, because when I engine brake I clearly see on the screen that the fuel usage is 0 l/100km. What do you mean by "it burns it"? (Unless the computer is wrong)

He's downshifting, hence the burn. The engine revs and needs to synchronize. If you're getting a 0l/100km readout, rest assured you're doing it right - all you do is take your foot off the gas. If you're driving down a steep angle and you need to maintain speed, downshifting works, but it burns fuel.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.