[Multiplatform] Ivalice Alliance

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The PS3, I'm afraid, would sacrifice Gameplay and/or the Game's soul/uniqueness for Sony regulations in their games (Compare to how Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has an active policy against any 2D game, or EA in general).

Will this false information ever die? The PS2 happens to have more 2D games than the Gamecube and XBox had combined. This policy was something completely fabricated by someone because they were upset some obscure Japan game didn't make it overseas.

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

LOL. No I meant Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1) getting a Wii Sequel. Since (Last I heard), there wasn't a console chosen for the FFTactics2.

FFT = PS1
FFTA2 = DS
FFT (Port) = PSP
FFT2 = ???

Final Fantasy Tactics 2? The only games that were announced were FFT:TLW and FFTA 2, for the PSP and DS. FFT2 would likely be on one of Sony's consoles, although if it's on the PS3 it'll likely end up in 3D.

But there hasn't been much in terms of concrete hints towards a FFT2 coming.

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I think the best decision for all would be for it being on the PS2, but since both Sony AND Squeenix are Graphic Whores (For both bad and good), they'd want to push for a PS3 Sequel with real-time magic casting or something.

The PS2 would be the best bet, as they're already quite familiar with the hardware. Not to mention the console's shown it has its share of SRPG fans waiting for anything to come down the pipe.

A PS3 FFT would mean they're bringing the games to the forefront, rather than something on the side.

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However, Nintendo has new management as of late, and maybe that will indicate allowing FFT2 on the Wii. Afterall they did have the Resident Evil titles (Notably RE4, game in my signature right now), and Red Steel as a launch title for the Wii, both of which are much more directly violent then any Final Fantasy title.

They'll still ask for things to be removed from any FFT game that shows up on their console that's remotely as dark as Tactics. RE4 and Red Steel were both calculated moves to break the image of their consoles as toys/childish.

BTW, Cetra's right. I've long heard about this 2D restriction business, and it mostly comes from bitter ToD folks but many other 2D-philes can't seem to leave that horse alone.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Cetra

Will this false information ever die? The PS2 happens to have more 2D games than the Gamecube and XBox had combined. This policy was something completely fabricated by someone because they were upset some obscure Japan game didn't make it overseas.

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BTW, Cetra's right. I've long heard about this 2D restriction business, and it mostly comes from bitter ToD folks but many other 2D-philes can't seem to leave that horse alone.

Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors ).

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Final Fantasy Tactics 2? The only games that were announced were FFT:TLW and FFTA 2, for the PSP and DS. FFT2 would likely be on one of Sony's consoles, although if it's on the PS3 it'll likely end up in 3D.

I could have Sworn that a FFT2 was announced as being in pre-production. I guess this shows one should not post in the morning when they have class the next day

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The PS2 would be the best bet, as they're already quite familiar with the hardware. Not to mention the console's shown it has its share of SRPG fans waiting for anything to come down the pipe.

A PS3 FFT would mean they're bringing the games to the forefront, rather than something on the side.

The main reason I'm thinking that a PS3 Sequel would be more likely is that Sony wants to push hard on their new hardware, and given the industry-wide pattern of slowly dropping support for "Legacy" Hardware once a new console comes out (A 1-2 Year Transition from my perspective), it would be beneficial to Sony (and Squareenix) that they have a capital franchise's "Next-Gen" debut on their new machine. However Squareenix has shown that its still developing for the PS2 and for Nintendo hardware, so it could go either way. I'm just trying to think from their vantage point.

I asked before but I'll ask again: What would the possible story-line for Tactics2, or FFTA2 be?

If FFTA2 is as cheesy as Marche's friend from out of town opening the same book and then all of them getting sucked in again, well I'll LOL at that.

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors ).

Well off the top of my head there is also Guilty Gear as well as practially every NIS game released along with a few Atlus titles. But think about the idea of this policy logically. What exactly does Sony have to lose by licencing a 3rd party localized and published 2D game on their platform? Sure there might be a general assumption by 3rd party publishers that a 2D game might not sell well in the American market, but this has nothing to do with Sony themselves. This is a choice made by the 3rd party publisher which is completely independent from Sony.


Anyway with more regard to the topic, after seeing the CG work for the PSP version of FFT, I really would not mind a PS3 FFT game that utilized a real-time version of that CG for in-game graphics. It does an excellent job in staying true to the FFT art style.

FELIPE NO

Alright, this is fucking retarded. Champions of either camp need to take this clash of the titans elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors ).

The bold part is pretty much it. There's definitely more 2D titles on the PS2 than the others, one I can name is Alien Hominid.

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I could have Sworn that a FFT2 was announced as being in pre-production. I guess this shows one should not post in the morning when they have class the next day

Heh, don't sweat it. I avoid posting early in the morning due to bizarre typos and fuzzy memory.

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The main reason I'm thinking that a PS3 Sequel would be more likely is that Sony wants to push hard on their new hardware, and given the industry-wide pattern of slowly dropping support for "Legacy" Hardware once a new console comes out (A 1-2 Year Transition from my perspective), it would be beneficial to Sony (and Squareenix) that they have a capital franchise's "Next-Gen" debut on their new machine. However Squareenix has shown that its still developing for the PS2 and for Nintendo hardware, so it could go either way. I'm just trying to think from their vantage point.

Nah, their position is likely the same as always during this transition: The old hardware is on the way out, it's had a good run, how about giving the new guy a run? Then it's up to the developers to decide what platform will be best for their title.

You can see SE's approach by looking at where their games are going. The SE leaving Sony is some of the most overblown stuff I've heard in a while, when all they're doing is healing the work on the relationship they've always had.

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I asked before but I'll ask again: What would the possible story-line for Tactics2, or FFTA2 be?

Tactics 2, I have no clue as the original wrapped it up nicely. Unless you change the time period/area where the game occurs. One could have a game that takes place during the time when the technological age came to an end and the era FFT takes place in begins with the last scene being St. Ajora becoming Ajora's host.

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If FFTA2 is as cheesy as Marche's friend from out of town opening the same book and then all of them getting sucked in again, well I'll LOL at that.

Damn, that is alternately incredibly cheesy and possible. Though if they do that, there should be constant trashing of said character for throwing them back into that mess.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

FFT PSP port webpage up. (Japanese only)

Includes:
-Story Info
-Character Info (Delita, Ramza, and Ovelia)
-3 wallpapers
-A direct feed of the Jump Fiesta trailer!!

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fft/

Sometimes the flash doesn't load up, if that happens, try downloading the japanese flash player or just restart the page.

Anyway, i'm impressed with the trailer now that we have a good quality version of it. I like the 'cross-hatch' effect in the cutscenes as well, but i'm hoping they don't sacrifice vibrant colors for an antique feel. It's also confirmed that they will remaster the entire soundtrack, damn.

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If it's remastered in the same vein as the "remastered" Valkyrie Profile PSP port soundtrack, you probably won't notice much. I dunno if that means they'll be reprinting the soundtrack YET AGAIN, either.

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills

If it's remastered in the same vein as the "remastered" Valkyrie Profile PSP port soundtrack, you probably won't notice much. I dunno if that means they'll be reprinting the soundtrack YET AGAIN, either.

Well, there is a new piano version of 'Hero's theme' in the Jump Fiesta trailer. I think some of the main tunes will have a complete overhaul whereas others will simply be tweaked as you said.

Dunno if this has been posted or not, but here are all of the current famitsu scans. They renamed the Oracle to "Auger"..anyone know what that means in context to the job class itself?

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Originally Posted by Pokey

It's also confirmed that they will remaster the entire soundtrack, damn.

It's just the new rendition of Hero's Theme is confirmed.The only official reference to the music is that it will be basically the same as the PSX version, aside from some tracks which maybe FMV sequences will need.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Alright, Regards to the "First" Half of this Thread:

NOTE:The following, is speculation and assumption;

CREDITS:
Up until this forum, I never even heard that Vagrant Story (VS), was related to Ivalice. The subtle details referring to Final Fantasy Tactics (FFT) and Final Fantasy XII (FFXII), were missed by my lack of consciousness.

The reference of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (FFTA), in the thread, was also very helpful, because the scenario of a "Kids Point of View" never occured in my mind, Until Now.

Also I must credit those who inputted information here. (I'm new, so I would've have "Quoted" or given them more... "Specific" credit, I apologize)

Anyways...

Someone had been Looking for a Whole Map of Ivalice?

MAP:

Here's the Screenshots for Both Games: (FFT and FFXII)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...FFTIvalice.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...alice_FF12.jpg

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Rozarria was on the west side (Ordalia;FFXII)
-There is another Piece of land (FFT) west of Ordalia
--Someone mentioned that FFT took place in Rozarria
---If I recall all land in FFT was under "Rozarria" land.

Archades was all of the northeast (Valendia; FFXII)
-Referrence from VS, states it took place in the kingdom* of Valendia

This evidence shows, that each game only showed "Half" of Ivalice, as the other half was irrelevant toward the plot

CHARACTERS:

Alazlam J. Durai
-He is the famous historian of Ivalice.
--It is mentioned (wikipedia) that he began writing the history of "FFT" 400 years after the incident.
---This brings up the fact that, VS, because of the qoute by him, must've taken place after 400+ years after FFT
----In FFT a non-playable character named, Olan Durai existed; He was the adopted son of Cidolfas Orlandu.

Bunanza Family
-The crafts man of FFXII and FFT have a common surname
-- All of use some kind of "firearm" as a weapon
---The inconsistancy is that; Mistudio and Bersordio (Father) were in Rozarria
(East of Archades, FFXII)
----While Ffamran (Balthier) and Cid Demen Bunanza are met in the Archades end of Ivalice

TIMELINE:

FFXII used the "Old Valendian Calender"
(Referring that Valendia already existed before FFXII, consider VS)

As FFT was in it's "Middle Ages"

Wikipedia, states:
The common "important" date was when St. Ajora formed a new religion*
-This takes place about 100 years after FFXII.
-Parrallel to this time, In FFT, the same event occurs:
--St. Ajora forms the Glabados Religion, This was 1200 years before FFT

Meaning, FFXII was before FFT

My question is, does that mean; After FFXII, Ivalice reached a "Dark Age" and the races asside from Hume become extinct? Also, Would Airships have become lost technology? (Keep in mind, FFT took place in "West" Ivalice, and FFXII took place in "East" Ivalice (Map assumption))

VS also took place in a mideval time.
-But Valendia must've existed before FFXII, because there would be know Valendian Calender, nor the "tombs" and references in FFXII.
--This doesn't imply that it was VS's Valendia. The tombs were the of another era of Ivalice, not in-game

Lastly, FFTA, began in an Urban timeline, And if recall it was only a town* named Ivalice. And the actual world was only a created from the imagination of children. Al-Cid Margrace invites Ashe to his family's vacation spot in Ambervale. This location was in FFTA;it is the summer home of the royal family. This supports that, Rozarria did exist in FFTA, and the connections are justified.

Keep in mind this was all read from a book, and perscieved from a child.
And because of its Urban beginning it meant it was far pass the medeval period of FFT or FFXII or VS.

The only name that has surpassed all the years is Alazlam J. Durai.
The book was an ancient book called the Gran Grimoire.
(This was only a copy. There were a few others)

The Gran Grimoire was also found in VS, (But the Gran Grimoire was the town intself?)

Someone stated:

Because they are children, they did not perceive the "darker" side of Ivalice, it was of a child's dream and game, nothing more. The children would have not meddled with such political and warlike affairs.

My Timeline goes as Follows:

FFXII,FFTA* ~1-2 years~ FFXII-RW ~1200 years~ FFT ~400+years~ VS ~Centuries After~ FFTA*

*FFTA began centuries after, but the children's perception is paralleled with FFXII

Now, for the "Second" part of the thread:

To me, the PS3 sucks. There too much power being put into it.

Also, FFT was never a full-front game. It was still a sleeper, and it should remain that way. FFTA was disappointing at first, because the Ivalice "I loved" was gone, but as FFXII joined in, It rekindled my joy. (FFTA still isn't my favorite)

FFXII was probably the most popular "Ivalice" game yet.

But I'd still like the "tactics" games to remain on handheld. Just because games involve thinking and strategizing, should be best taken on the road.
(It took me 70 hours to beat FFT, and I'd wish i could've taken it elsewhere)
(Like Fire Emblem, or S.R.T or Ygddra Union.)

All that asside.

FFT A2, Grimoire of the Sealed Hole = DS
FFXII-RW = DS
FFT:TLW = PSP
FFT2? = PSP

Just to keep it uniformed.
Nintendo got the "A's"
While,
Sony get the other* kind?

I think I'm forgetting something... Sorry...

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So...

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- Square Enix revealed new details in Final Fantasy Tactics: Shishi Sensou for PSP, in addition to the Onion Knights, the game will also have the job class Dark Knight, and Balthier from Final Fantasy XII, as a playable character in the game. Balthier will play an important role in the game.

From: The Magic Box.

EDIT: I got a little more from here

Balthier


Dark Knight


Wish: I hope Dark Knights have a lot more than just Dark and Night Sword as their abilities.
LOL moments: #1: Gafgarion, you are no longer unique. #2: Now you can really make Ramza a Dark Knight zomg!

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Awesome Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

Balthier a major role in the game? So I guess it's not like how Cloud was included in the original.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

Awesome Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

Balthier a major role in the game? So I guess it's not like how Cloud was included in the original.

Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well. Maybe he's part of an elaborate sidequest they put into the game?

I'm definitely liking what I'm seeing here, pretty much solidified this purchase.

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well. Maybe he's part of an elaborate sidequest they put into the game?

Y'no, They are suppose to have the same last name... The only difference is the z's and s's also maybe tha a's and u's... but... Thats all done by the translator...

Also, what i've heard/read/know... is they are of the same family... and gah... Square surely is trying to confuse people...

What I'm trying to say is that... Under the impression of the timeline from the director (courtesy of wikipedia)... FFXII takes approx. 1200 years BEFORE...
(READ MY HOURS OF WORK IN THAT WHOLE COMPILATION)

ehe... but to have Balthier be an extra such as cloud was during the game... maybe a replacement cloud?... then it's plausable...

though in my preference... it would be nice to form a "Team" of all my favorite characters... which does include Cloud and balthier.

Anyways... Square likes being inconsistant... and I'm slowly getting irratated... Um... Am I forgeting something?

Oh, Mistudio does have compitition... I mean... Balthier's slick looking shirt totally beats his blue overalls and yellow shirt... ahaha...

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Originally Posted by TetraShadow00

Y'no, They are suppose to have the same last name... The only difference is the z's and s's also maybe tha a's and u's... but... Thats all done by the translator...

Bunanza vs Bunansa, not too far apart. I'd wait for the game to see if they kept his name as it was in FFXII or not.

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Also, what i've heard/read/know... is they are of the same family... and gah... Square surely is trying to confuse people...

FFXII doesn't give us enough information to even come close to this. All we have is the last name similarity, as well as their fathers being present in the story along with their firearms use. It could simply be a nod, especially considering the distance between where both pairs live.

I always just considered Balthier and his pops, and his use of guns as a nod to Mustadio (just like Leamonde Entite) rather than somehow directly connected. Who knows? He may be made part of Mustadio's family in order to fit into the world. Sounds like a possible sidequest to me.

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What I'm trying to say is that... Under the impression of the timeline from the director (courtesy of wikipedia)... FFXII takes approx. 1200 years BEFORE...
(READ MY HOURS OF WORK IN THAT WHOLE COMPILATION)

ehe... but to have Balthier be an extra such as cloud was during the game... maybe a replacement cloud?... then it's plausable...

though in my preference... it would be nice to form a "Team" of all my favorite characters... which does include Cloud and balthier.

Anyways... Square likes being inconsistant... and I'm slowly getting irratated... Um... Am I forgeting something?

Oh, Mistudio does have compitition... I mean... Balthier's slick looking shirt totally beats his blue overalls and yellow shirt... ahaha...

It's just a cameo, simple as that. Balthier's design does beat the pants off of Mustadio's, as well as his attitude in general (ole Musty is comic relief, for heaven's sake). Anyone know where I can get a scan without the goddamn text all over it? The Balthier art is damn good avatar material.

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze

Awesome Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

I will agree with you the moment they announce a US release. Up until then, I'm being a curmudgeon and assuming they won't bother gracing us with this.

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I don't see any reason they wouldn't... I mean, we're getting Chocobo's Storybook Adventures or whatever the US title is. To localize that and not FFT?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Man, reading this entire thread makes me want to buy PSP for the sake of playing FFT only. . But why PSP? why?? I really hope SE will port this to NDS instead of PSP. -__-

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

DS is getting FFTA2 so it's gonna be even. D:

FELIPE NO

There is no way I would compare FFTA with original FFT. Seriously, I was disappointed with the system of FFTA, things would have been better if they keep FFT job system which I think is perfect already.

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well.

Apparently, in Japanese, their last names ARE the same. I wonder if Mustadio is a descendant of Balthier.

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Originally Posted by eriol33

Man, reading this entire thread makes me want to buy PSP for the sake of playing FFT only. . But why PSP? why?? I really hope SE will port this to NDS instead of PSP. -__-

This isn't going to happen, that's for sure. I think after SE's done running through the Nintendo FFs (remakes, ports, etc...) they'll start on the later titles and start tossing them on Sony consoles. At least, that's how it looks at the moment.

And while FFTA was no where near FFT, the DS is still getting a new FFT, so they are even in that sense.

Edit: New shots of FFT, and revamped artwork. Definitely snagging these.

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Originally Posted by eriol33

There is no way I would compare FFTA with original FFT. Seriously, I was disappointed with the system of FFTA, things would have been better if they keep FFT job system which I think is perfect already.

While I definately agree that FFTA was not as good as the original, what I tried to say is that at least both systems are getting a "new" Tactics game each. Hence they are even.

And yeah, I'm hoping that FFTA2 will be a lot better than the first, system and story wise.

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Originally Posted by B.K.

Apparently, in Japanese, their last names ARE the same. I wonder if Mustadio is a descendant of Balthier.

This was my point... in japanese Mistudio and Balthier DO have the same name... And it's the translator's decision of making it S/Z...

It really won't matter which they use in FFT:TLW... cuz the translator will probably be different...

And... Besides the confusing storyline of FFT...

FFT... does surpass FFTA in all aspects...

Does anyone know if the Onion knight has other abilities that differ from squire/chemist... (I mean the branching system)

Also... Did anyone use the "Job Point" -> "Job Mastery" cheat?
Y' think they'd have fixed that?

Ah, Um... FFT A2 is gonna about hu? JW...

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