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Okay, but that's not really Israel's fault. I mean, Israel wasn't trying to hurt the U.S., they were just looking after their own interests.
The U.S. supplying Israel with weapons isn't Israel screwing the U.S. over, it's the U.S. screwing the U.S. over. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
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Or... you know... Israel blackmailing the US. Whichever you want to pick.
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You really shouldn't take me seriously, even though I am dead serious. I could provide you with articles from websites you wouldn't take as reliable information, so I'll just give you this, which should show Israel really does like the US.
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/04/23/liberty.attack/ FELIPE NO |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC It alone is enough - and its influence has caused the US to be forced to act in Israeli instead of American interests multiple times. Most amazing jew boots |
Unfortunately, both your link, and Adamgian's don't really look like 'blackmail' to me. Adamgian's at least could be spun that way, but by that spin one would have to assume that all lobies are engaging in blackmail. Seriously though, if there were more specific instances of blackmail, I'd be most interested to read 'em. Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Quotes like this from the Wikipedia article:
In addition, get a hold of the London Book Review version of the "Israeli Lobby and US Foreign Policy" booklet. According to their polls, AIPAC ranks as more powerful than the NRA and the AFL-CIO, and is only overtaken by the AARP. Considering what many have said, that isn't very farfetched. Goole Search the paper and read it if you have the time, its an eye opener. How ya doing, buddy? |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIPAC_espionage_scandal If you want to really explore this line of thought, you are going to dark, dark places. Really, you can't expect the government to to be unaware of certain things that happen. Why do they support Israel so much, when all it causes is trouble? You have to come to your own conclusions. http://judicial-inc.biz/False_Flags_summary.htm This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
I can't back this up at this time, but I've seen references which indicate that Israel would feel more compelled to use nuclear weapons in a war should the U.S. stop supplying them with military tech. Besides, without obvious American support, Israel would be more vulnerable as a target.
If Amenidijad or whatever his name is wants to wipe Israel off them map, he's not increasing his chances with his rhetoric which is only serving to bring Israel closer to the rest of the world. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
What about selling AWACS to china?
I was speaking idiomatically.
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Yet you make a gross assumption that Israel would be the only one to come to it's own defense.
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Well, assuming Iran could perform a quick and decisive strike against Israel using nukes, in that event there wouldn't be much of an Israel left to defend.
Of course, Iran wouldn't last long against the reprisal from the rest of the civilized world. The danger is that some of Iran's anti-Israel fundies might not care... so long as Israel is gone. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
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Where did you get the info regarding israeli nuclear subs? This is the latest on Israeli subs
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/israel/sub/index.html Small diesel powered boats is all I see. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
What Gumby said seems to be implying that the Israelis have our ballistic missile subs on call to avenge them in the event of a nuclear attack on Israel.
Though I fail to see why Israel would need them to do their retaliating; Mossad is quite capable of smuggling Israel's own nuclear weapons around to insure a response to a nuclear attack. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Indeed Mossad is very capable inteligence outfit. Didnt they recently get into trouble because some of their agents got arrested in Italy with fake Canadian passports.
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Well, to be honest, Israel's response to a nuclear attack is unclear. Israel has never tested a nuclear bomb, and they haven't announced that they do have the bomb. As a result, Israel has no discernable nuclear policy, as it can't put one forth. Would the Israelis strike pre-emptively? Where do they even have their nukes?
China, which has a similar small amount of nukes retains its deterrent by moving them around, which keeps a first strike from guaranteeing the destruction of their arsenal. They have neither the economy, nor the desire to facilitate a nuclear buildup, and neither does Israel. Israel, on the other hand, has not only no discernable location for their nukes, but it has no nuclear policy, as I've mentioned before. That means that whether or not the Israelis have an offensive or defensive nuclear policy is impossible to determine. For example: in the Big Boy's Nuclear Club, nuclear power forms into a trifecta. The first, ICBMs, are easily located, and once they are launched, are impossible to recall. That makes an ICBM a purely offensive weapon that is launched in a first-strike, or in reaction to a confirmed First Strike by ICBMs. The second comes in the form of nuclear subs. Subs can be recalled, but the range of their missiles creates a necessity for their proximity off of enemy coasts. That presence is both defensive, and offensive, as Nuclear subs can discretely launch their missiles, and then re-submerge, and one can never honestly know where they are at any given time.. That is why Sub Hunters were so important to the USN, since if we couldn't keep track of Russian subs off of our coasts, there was no means of destroying them and their payloads in the event of a nuclear exchange. The third comes in the form of Strategic Bombers. Strategic Bombers are mostly defensive, as you need a couple in the air at all times, and they can be recalled. Having bombers in the air guarantees your ability to react to a nuclear strike, and whether armed with ballistic missiles or air-burst bombs, so long as you have a sizeable bomber force in the air, it's impossible for the enemy air defence to intercept all of them. The Russians focused on ICBMs and submarines to project their nuclear policy, which gave them an offensive nuclear stance. The Soviets also developed a Civil Defense network, which would have allowed the Russians to maintain as many people and resources as possible in the event of nuclear exchange, which implies that they have a backup plan, giving them an offensive edge. The Americans, on the other hand, focused on Strategic Bombers and nuclear subs, which gave us a purely defensive Nuclear stance. If our ICBMs were eliminated in a first strike, we would still have bombers in the air, and subs in the water, which would guarantee a reactionary strike. The Americans also never developed a Civil Defense, which means that our position was purely reactionary, and that we relied completely on the deterrent effect of our nuclear arsenal. We don't know, however, what the Israelis are arming their nukes on. That means that Mossad could be maintaining a device in Tehran for all we know. It's because of this impossible discernability that Israel's neighbors have kept their mouths shut, so as not to disturb the hornet's nest. Iraq and Iran, however, don't share a border with Israel, so they've been able to afford to talk shit, as the prospect of a military buildup against Israel is politically infeasible. FELIPE NO |
No rational debate is possible when talking about Israel and the US's foreign policy concerning them. Because if you're not pro-Israel you're a anti-semite! What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
I was under the impression that we support Israel so much because otherwise all the Jews in America would cry about how we're going to let another holocaust happen, as impossible as it maybe, then proceed paint whoever proposes a withdrawl of support as a pro-Nazi/Anti-Semitisc. As evidenced by this article.
Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Israel would not exist as a state without it's "little brother" American mandate. Israel has defied twice as many UN resolutions as Iraq did under Saddam. But as long as they play their part we'll let that slide.
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Honestly I can see why the Palestinians were upset over the creation of Israel. There is a misguided idea that the Jews have some sort of a birthright to that land. When Biblical Judaism was being practiced, the Jews needed to go to Jerusalem because the temple was there. True Jews had to make a sacrifice to atone for their sins at the temple. The priests in the temple were the only way for the Jews to have contact with God. When the temple was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70 Judaism..as it was practiced in the time of the Torah, ceased to exist. There was no longer any reason for Jews to remain close to Jerusalem, so they dispersed around the world. The establishment of Israel was a Zionist idea, with the ultimate hopes of reestblishing the temple.
All that being said....whats done is done, and Israel now stands as the only free democratic state in the Middle east and has every right to continue to exist They are a staunch ally of the U.S. and for reasons wide and varied the U.S. is and should continue to be counted on to come to the defense of Israel. Most amazing jew boots |
Disregarding Israel's numerous unfriendly actions towards the United States, what treaty of alliance is there between the United States and Israel? For that matter, what has Israel ever done for us? I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
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