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http://bibleresources.bible.com/keyw...23&Submit.y=14 Here are all the things found regarding slavery in the Book of Leviticus: Leviticus 19:20 (Whole Chapter) " 'If a man sleeps with a woman who is a slave girl promised to another man but who has not been ransomed or given her freedom, there must be due punishment. Yet they are not to be put to death, because she had not been freed. Leviticus 22:11 (Whole Chapter) But if a priest buys a slave with money, or if a slave is born in his household, that slave may eat his food. Leviticus 25:39 (Whole Chapter) " 'If one of your countrymen becomes poor among you and sells himself to you, do not make him work as a slave. Leviticus 25:42 (Whole Chapter) Because the Israelites are my servants, whom I brought out of Egypt, they must not be sold as slaves. Leviticus 25:44 (Whole Chapter) " 'Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. Leviticus 25:46 (Whole Chapter) You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. Leviticus 26:13 (Whole Chapter) I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high. Wow, huh? So yeah, you can have slaves, they just can't be from your own nation. I know I wouldn't worship this God . . . So I guess I better hope Christians are wrong. I'm Atheist kinda, but I do believe in a "higher power", just not the Christians' version. Heck, the Book of Leviticus is my Holy Grail against Christianity; it shows the hypocracy of the Bible in its fullest and most potent form. If you're gay, you get executed and go to Hell. If you're a prostitute, you get executed and go to Hell. If you sleep with a woman while she's on her period . . . you get executed and go to Hell. Okay, not really (not in all cases), but that's the jist of it all. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
Guns don't kill people. Chuck Norris kills People.
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Last edited by PattyNBK; Aug 11, 2006 at 04:38 AM.
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So....did Jenna Jameson say she believed in God?
Actually...has ANY pornstar openly admitted to being a practicing christian? It'd be fucking hilarious to see that priest's face explode if JJ says that she believes in God and goes to church every sunday XD I was speaking idiomatically. |
Pascal's Wager is not a good reason to believe in God, but it sure as hell is a good reason to seek God.
Patty - Leviticus is Old Testament. What you're reading is Mosaic Law, which was "fulfilled" (read: made obsolete) by Jesus. Not sure why you guys love the OT books so much, but it would be cool if you read the whole book sometime. Also, the "if you X, you go to hell" thing is actually not quite accurate. The OT Jews didn't have a hell or even an afterlife, actually. Sounds crazy, but go look for explicit mention of the afterlife in the OT the likes of which you can easily find in the NT. Another thing is the difference between what slavery meant in the OT, NT and pre-Civil War America. In the OT, these people were usually prisoners of war and in the NT, they were people with outstanding debts and were treated more like indentured servants. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
Last edited by Minion; Aug 11, 2006 at 07:45 AM.
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One more reason everyone should be Lutheran...we only use the Old Testament for arts and crafts time. Gotta love those purple arks full of blue elephants and polka-dotted tigers.
FELIPE NO |
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Oh right. Jubilee. I forgot about that. I'm not sure that applied to slavery in the Roman society, though, which Paul condoned. But that could be an "everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial" type situation. Also, again, these slaves were not really mistreated and had the rights of basic citizens, minus the right to keep their earnings. Some of them were as well respected in the community as PhDs would be today.
Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Well, a cursory glance at the wikipedia article states that Spartacus was either an outlaw or a prisoner of war and that this took place over 100 years before Paul wrote about the Romans and slavery. The Servile Wars (one of which was lead by Spartacus) may have had an effect on Roman slavery policy. So, I'm not really sure your point is relevent.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
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It's interesting to me no one has differentiated hard and soft core porn here. In fact, it's been generally and assumed they hold the same level of morality. Although I don't think a situation in which every participant is happy is an immoral thing, I'm suprised no one would find paid penetration worse than tastefully done nude photography. Is everyone buying into the definition of "erotica" crap- personally I say that's more about art than jollies- or is it just assumed due to Jenna (sp? do I care?) that they are one and the same or is this an actual viewpoint?
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Oh, and if the Christian heaven does exist, porn stars aren't getting in, or gay people, or anybody non-Christan (2/3rds of the world) regardless of how you live your life. But then, I don't believe in the Christian heaven. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
Last edited by FallDragon; Aug 21, 2006 at 09:23 PM.
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I'm not going to further derail this thread with a pointless debate, but I'd just like to point out the irony in your castigating me with one side of your mouth for being certain about my interpretation of scripture, while making assertions yourself with the other, e.g. who gets into heaven, about the lake of fire (which I'm certain is a literary device).
I was speaking idiomatically. |
Slaves could be considered a part of a family, or they could just be treated like shit, or worked half to death in the mines. Which is essentially not that different from how slaves were treated in the 19th century South. They hardly had the "basic rights" of citizens. They couldn't vote after all. It was bad enough with the Plebes. ;( What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
As for the lake of fire, John was being shown visions by God. This negates the notion that John was specifically using those words and/or ideas as a clever literary device. Unless, of course, you want to call bullshit on his claim that visions were shown to him by God (1:10-11).
FELIPE NO |
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
I'm just going to close this now before another round of The Neverending Battle of Patty vs Christianity can be fought.
How ya doing, buddy? |