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View Poll Results: Firearms! | |||
FOR! (The only right answer) | 21 | 38.18% | |
Against (Insert random joke) | 32 | 58.18% | |
Undecided (too weak to have your own opinion?) | 2 | 3.64% | |
Voters: 55. You may not vote on this poll |
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What guns can or can't be used for is irrelevant to this discussion. Hemp making nice rope didn't stop its prohibition.
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How ya doing, buddy? |
So, how do we know what Gangbangers have access to?
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That's also the source of how I knew that five gallons of gasoline equals to about a stick of TNT. She always brought home stories about how her students were uhh talking about ways to make car bombs out of materials commonly found among the average household. Scary really. *edit!* Of course she turned them into the police, but that still doesn't change the fact that they probably know how to do that sort of stuff. FELIPE NO |
Most police now carry AR-15's in place of the traditional shotgun. Other favored patrol rifles are the Ruger Mini 14 and the old M-1 carbine. Some agencies also carry the pistol caliber rifles from Ruger and marlin chambered in .40 or 9mm.
The idea that the police are regularly outgunned is a myth. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Hell I'm not even against guns I just don't believe thay're as necessary or as much of a solution to some problems as soem people try to make it. The whole every problem looks liek a nail when all you have a hammer saying causes problems when people replaces hammer with gun. And I've known enough people who seem to feel that way to at the very least make me uncomfortable with just any idiot beign able to get one. Jam it back in, in the dark.
Lady, I was gonna cut you some slack, cause you're a major mythological figure but now you've just gone nuts!
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"What'd you do over the weekend." "I helped my dad blow up a beaver dam, and next weekend we're going to turn some marshy area into a duck pond for the park rangers."
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Nor should it that was hardly my point. You can have all the firearms you want it's your choice. I'm just saying maybe at a minimum they should screen more carefully who can get guns and add a higher requirement of courses to get a license. I don't know exactly what the current requirements are I imagine they vary from state to state but they need to make damn sure every aspect of what people need to know and be trained in is covered before the person can lay hands on a gun. And I'm still not sure how much people need say an assault rifle for either hunting or self defence so I'm a might shaky on whether they should be allowable but I must admit they are nifty.
The rest was just clearing things up for david as he was misinterpriting the one Sin City quote as being some bullshit about using honourable weaponry. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?
Lady, I was gonna cut you some slack, cause you're a major mythological figure but now you've just gone nuts!
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
I say noble because only noble men were armed and when they did challenge and dual to the death it was a fair contest. With a gun bang you're fucking dead. If you're regular home invader comes in guns blazing. If he even sees you reach for a gun he'll shoot you dead before you even get it from your bedside drawer, or your blazer pocket. You're a gonna. At least if you're unarmed you can surrender. But hey home invasions everyday. Also lol guys the guy that robs your home with a gun isn't a hardend criminal from the underworld with all the secret links to get the latest in illegal weaponry. They're normally young men who had a shit upbringing, dropped out of school and can't even organise opening a bank account. The gangs, the mafia are the ones with the links, the ones who'll illegally obtain weapons and here's the thing, they don't come after you, they go after rival gangs. If you're shot by the mafia you're most likely a crook yourself and deseved it. I can assure you, since Australia banned guns semi automatic and consealable guns the vast majority of people shot are bikies and underworld figures.
In a country where lethal weapons are unavailible, if you really wanted to kill someone who have to goto pretty extrodinary lengths, lengths most people aren't prpared to goto. If you live in the states, you just gotta buy the gun buy the bullet and bang. Piss easy. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
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Dueling pistols is pretty cool actually but people arn't up for it today.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
I think it's because it's illegal.
Imagine Dick Cheney and John W. Snow in a pistol duel. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Dick Cheney shoots his second. Why lie.
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I was just suggesting a modern version of the Hamilton vs Burr duel.
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These were all found in a 2 minute google search. Statics Lowest violent crime rate in 30 years. Gun ownership is up. 1999 state comparison of crime rates American Enterpise Institute for Public Policy Research There were about 500,000 guns sold last year. Last year there were only about 31,200 violent crimes that involved guns. This does not take into account all of the guns that were sold in the past 100 years that are still in current circulation of the gun market. You do the math; VERY few of the guns on the market are actually used in violent crimes. Then when you look at the fact that our crime rates are going down to 30 year record lows after out assault weapon ban was lifted while the Great Britain which completely outlawed handguns in 1997 have sky rocketing crime rates. A lot of good information You wanted hard facts Rock, there they are. I'm sure there is much more information out there. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
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I didn't feel like reading the entire thread, but I read the first page or so.
Here is my opinion... I live on a farm of 1000 acres and we fire guns for hunting animals or for sport. I think that guns like shotguns/rifles/etc. are just fine. However I think pistols and military fully automatics are NOT! I live in a rural town of 628 and I have yet to see someone hunt with a pistol or an M-16! The only incidents we here about handgun crimes are in cities. The people of NYC don't take Friday off and go hunting for elk somewhere in NY state with their concealed pistol, but when they want to feel superior (for whatever reason) they might be inclined to take it or even worse, use it! Sometimes when I am really angery at someone and I'm talking to them and they are making me extremely pissed, I think, "If I had a pistol, would I shoot this person in the face?" Some times I really think about it, but 5 minutes later I would regret it and the decision for the rest of my life! I don't know how I would argue on a basis of self defense. Using guns for the purpose of killing someone just gets to me. It's kind of like the 2nd Sabrina the Teenage Witch episode, Bundt Friday. Jenny says, "I know the world would be alot better if everyone told the truth, but we all know we can't stop someone from lieing." In this analogy, we can agree that just because you can't tell someone to stop lieing and tell the truth (by using truth sprinkles on their Bundt cakes!!!!) doesn't mean that we can just all lie and not feel any regret from it. Just like lieing is considered a bad thing (which it is!) and a sin for all of your Christian-heads, carrying concealed handguns and military special wepons shouldn't be aloud without a proper excuse (military or whatever). Thanks, Joseph Most amazing jew boots
Last edited by jsphweid; Mar 29, 2006 at 10:32 PM.
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I don't think that "are you for or against gun" the right question (ot i'm probably misunderstanding... anyway)
If you look in canada, what was suppose to cost less than 50M$ (the gun registry) has become a 1G$ (and counting) hole. Ayway, do you really think that criminals register their weapons? What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
I think he's trumped EVERYONE. FELIPE NO |
Jesus Christ, why don't I just close the fucking thread?
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
So, I'm not saying that the pro-gun camp's numbers are wrong, just that they don't match those from Statistics Canada. How ya doing, buddy?
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Double Post:
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Last edited by Gumby; Mar 30, 2006 at 01:14 AM.
Reason: Automerged double post.
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I haven't seen anyone prove that there exists a strong correlation between high gun ownership rates and higher rates of murder. The benefits of having a weapon in your home as opposed to not having one far outweigh an outright ban on all weapons purchases within legal channels (because that's as far as government jurisdiction can extend, and its record in dealing with illicit markets for banned goods or substances has been weak) insofar as being able to defend the individual and his property against an armed robber or thug.
Some people argue that certain types of weapons should be banned, as opposed to small handguns would seemingly suffice against a criminal. To this, all we must do is look to the justitication that John Locke and the founders of the constitution gave for granting citizens the right to bear arms, and to use those arms in the event that a corrupt regime takes power and curbs essential freedoms. Just because the government exists in America doesn't mean it will never become corrupt, and no one has the foresight to say for sure that an American government in the future would not roll back those important freedoms. Considering the freedoms that have already been sacrificed in the War on Terror, and other potential freedoms that could be lost in the event of another, more serious, terrorist attack, or the resulting chaos of a nuclear armageddon, or any number of possible events, citizens must arm themselves to confront the potential threats posed by a corrupt government or a population relegated to anarchy. Therefore, placing limitations on the type of weapons that can be purchased only undermines those moral intentions behind the establishment of the second amendment, and puts Americans in a weaker position to defend their liberties against a possible corrupt regime. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Last edited by lordjames; Mar 30, 2006 at 01:18 AM.
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somebody just close this. nobody has changed their opinions on anything and they never will. How ya doing, buddy?
Last edited by Meth; Mar 30, 2006 at 01:35 AM.
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