[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

Originally Posted by Cetra

With a decent DA converter, there would be minimal difference. HDMI will offer a sharper picture, but nothing as drastic as being described around here. The jump in quality between component to HDMI is actually less than the jump between S-video and component.

And that's a small jump indeed, given how I've run through quite a few HDMI/Component DVD players (including the Zenith model that allowed up-conversion via component before the firmware was fixed) on my TV. It's definitely something only the most anal audio/videophiles would whine about.

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And this is all assuming Sony doesn't offer a DVI solution for the multi-out which is entirely possible and would result in picture quality identical to HDMI output. It would just lack the ability to decrypt a ACSS stream.

Not that it would matter with games, and as you mentioned earlier, the studios aren't planning on using the ICT flags to downrez until 2010.

I'd definitely take a wait and see approach on this machine, looking at sales and industry support for it before buying it.

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

And that's a small jump indeed, given how I've run through quite a few HDMI/Component DVD players (including the Zenith model that allowed up-conversion via component before the firmware was fixed) on my TV. It's definitely something only the most anal audio/videophiles would whine about.

I dunno about everybody else, but if I'm paying $500/$600 for a system, it damn well better be worth every penny. Especially a system that has been boasting this feature for a long time now.

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Apparently I just read an interesting piece of hearsay. I'm not sure if it's true or not, but if there is truth in this rumor, it is a bad path to be following for Sony.

Originally Posted by Matt Cundy from Games Radar

[PS3] Sony makes moves to stamp out lucrative second-hand market
Words: Matt Cundy


Wednesday 24 May 2006
High street games shops have been told by Sony that there will be no PS3 pre-owned sections in their stores as it will be illegal for customers to sell any next-gen PlayStation games that they've bought, retail sources have revealed to GamesRadar.

It seems that Sony is planning to adopt a licensing system that will mean gamers won't own the PS3 titles that they've paid money for. Instead, they will only be purchasing the licence to play the game and that the software itself will still be Sony property - meaning that the disc won't be the customer's to sell.

We assume that the thinking behind this move will ultimately be to stop PS3 games being resold several times - which currently snatches potential sales away from Sony - and to counter the impression in consumers' minds that games are only really worth their pre-owned price and are not worth buying new.

When we contacted Sony, it issued us with the following statement: "We have made all of the official announcements at E3 and cannot make any further comments at this time. We will be announcing more news running up to PlayStation 3's launch."

If this is true, Sony is going to be shooting themselves in the foot with a bazooka. I can't even fathom the thinking behind this move if it turns out to be true.

I was a Playstation 3 supporter until I heard this, and if this turns out to be true, then I am definately going to be rethinking my position. I mean, I want to like the PS3, price not-withstanding, but not being able to buy used copies of games from stores...I'm sorry. At the prices that most of these games come out with (going by PS2 rates here), I will not be purchasing many of them at all, especially when they most likely won't be dropping much to compete with used games sales. Thus, more than likely no greatest hits versions either.

Nothing like greed to motivate a truely assinine decision like this. I sincerely hope that it is not true at all.

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http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/s...ic_id=23921409

Originally Posted by From the article

While US Sony reps think the best way to deal with gossip is silence, Sony Europe spokespersons have apparently decided to put this particular rumor to rest.

According to the London Guardian's
tech blog, SCEE PR manger Jennie Kong blasted the rumor as " false speculation." "PlayStation 3 software will not be copy protected to a single machine but will be playable on any PlayStation 3 console," she told the Guardian.

I doubt Sony would go as far as to repeat the mistakes of the Divx DVD machines (where the machine would have to call in everytime you played a disc). EB and Gamestop would probably refuse to sell the system if they weren't able to profit off of the used games.

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Not to mention it's almost the same as the rumor as the systems locking games to only work on a single console.

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It's a false rumor which shouldn't be a surprise to most. Direct response to the latest rumor:

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We reported yesterday about a rumored message from Sony to retailers to warn them that selling used PS3 titles is "illegal." Sony has come out today and denied the rumor, telling GamesIndustry.biz "It's false speculation. We don't have any further knowledge about this topic - either officially or unofficially, to be frank."

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Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet

Yeah I found this other source which described that basically, a gamer buying a PS3 game would buy a license to play the software, which would remain Sony property. Which I think is BS, and this particular bit of news hasn't been denied by Sony.


http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/ps3/gam...sectionId=1006

Why is it bullshit? You do realize that's basicly how it has been on computers for the longest time? You do not own the games and software you use. You merely purchased a license to use the software. The creators own the software, they're just letting you use it.

It may not be the best way to go about it but it's nothing new. If you're sitting here reading this post on any windows software then you're showing you have no problem with that kind of thing.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Shonos

Why is it bullshit? You do realize that's basicly how it has been on computers for the longest time? You do not own the games and software you use. You merely purchased a license to use the software. The creators own the software, they're just letting you use it.

It may not be the best way to go about it but it's nothing new. If you're sitting here reading this post on any windows software then you're showing you have no problem with that kind of thing.

No it's not the same. It's completely legal to box up and resell PC software if you uninstall the software from the previous machine. PC license software only prevents you from installing the software over the specified amount of PCs at once. It in no way makes reselling illegal.

How ya doing, buddy?

Oh, I guess I'm mistaken then. I thought it was the same though. It certainly sounds similiar.

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Sorry I haven't caught up on all the ps3 news, but it will have hdmi output and it comes out before the end of this year right?

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Originally Posted by Andrew Evenstar

Sorry I haven't caught up on all the ps3 news, but it will have hdmi output and it comes out before the end of this year right?

Yup November is the month but I forgot the actual date.

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Here is a headline for you all...

PS3 to be free online...maybe

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How is that news? We've known it would offer basic services for free (Like game matching, and the like) while having some sort of pay for content system.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

After glancing through this long thread, I thought I'd throw up this old sneak preview of the Playstation 3!
This must be the original model

Maybe someone will find this useful~
http://www.misinformer.com/archive/2001/01/15/

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That wasn't even funny, GTFO.

I was speaking idiomatically.

lol yeah it was, you douche. That website is like 4 years old. It was great back then and it's still great now.

Every next generation system should come with rubber ducky technology.

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Originally Posted by X-Calibar

After glancing through this long thread, I thought I'd throw up this old sneak preview of the Playstation 3!
This must be the original model

Maybe someone will find this useful~
http://www.misinformer.com/archive/2001/01/15/

I seriously see the underlying message in this (i know, im a genius).

I mean doesn't everyone else miss the time when game machines were just for games, without all the extra useless hassle?

I know, it's been said like a million times over, but when was the last time you used your PS2 to play movies?

It stands as funny. But i never knew it was 4 years old, talk about foresight..!

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Originally Posted by CryHavoc

I know, it's been said like a million times over, but when was the last time you used your PS2 to play movies?

yesterday, actually. been using it for 5 years now...

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Originally Posted by Casual_Otaku

yesterday, actually. been using it for 5 years now...

Same here. I really don't see the problem considering DVD playback was pretty much a gimmie with the PS2 being all of the required hardware and software for DVD playback was in the box to support gaming.

PS3 is pretty much the same situation. I don't see anything being added to the box that would not be used for the gaming aspect of the system. Personally I think it is stupid not to include things such as DVD playback and web browsing when the hardware is already there to support it.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

Same here. I really don't see the problem considering DVD playback was pretty much a gimmie with the PS2 being all of the required hardware and software for DVD playback was in the box to support gaming.

PS3 is pretty much the same situation. I don't see anything being added to the box that would not be used for the gaming aspect of the system. Personally I think it is stupid not to include things such as DVD playback and web browsing when the hardware is already there to support it.

I can understand the blu-ray capabilities being necessary, but web browsing? Don't you already have a computer for that? And I don't think Web Browsing is natively supported by the PS3 hardware. The ability to go online for online gameplay, yes, but actually browsing web sites online? Takes more work there, and is definitely not necessary. At least not in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Omnislash124

I can understand the blu-ray capabilities being necessary, but web browsing? Don't you already have a computer for that? And I don't think Web Browsing is natively supported by the PS3 hardware. The ability to go online for online gameplay, yes, but actually browsing web sites online? Takes more work there, and is definitely not necessary. At least not in my opinion.

What exactly does web browsing require in terms of hardware? Just a NIC which is including in the box for online play and some type of storage medium for the software. It's just a simple matter of adding the browser software to the hard drive which is also supplied for gaming use as well. TCP/IP protocol software is already there for online play and adding web browsing support to the package is trivial. Hell, I bet the online game matching will be a web browser interface so I could even use that as an argument and say web browsing is present to support gaming on the machine.

And yes I do have a computer, but I imagine it would be very nice to pull up for example, a GameFAQs page, once and a while from a browser dashboard from your TV rather than having to go to your computer.

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I imagine they'd also set up the pay-to-play downloadable content in browser-style windows so you can possibly preview them on a PC prior to purchasing the game.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

What exactly does web browsing require in terms of hardware? Just a NIC which is including in the box for online play and some type of storage medium for the software. It's just a simple matter of adding the browser software to the hard drive which is also supplied for gaming use as well. TCP/IP protocol software is already there for online play and adding web browsing support to the package is trivial. Hell, I bet the online game matching will be a web browser interface so I could even use that as an argument and say web browsing is present to support gaming on the machine.

And yes I do have a computer, but I imagine it would be very nice to pull up for example, a GameFAQs page, once and a while from a browser dashboard from your TV rather than having to go to your computer.

Touche...

Even though web browsing can be done, it's not like you would do casual web browsing on it. Well, you could, but it might be hard to actually read anything on the TV screen with you sitting so far away. At least, the distance between my couch and TV is pretty far. Hot links to common gaming web sites maybe (GameFAQs, Sony's Page, and whatever else you might be visiting), but not casual surfing.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Cetra

And yes I do have a computer, but I imagine it would be very nice to pull up for example, a GameFAQs page, once and a while from a browser dashboard from your TV rather than having to go to your computer.

There are people out there who actually have their computers in rooms away from their televisions? Insanity.

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Originally Posted by Forsety

There are people out there who actually have their computers in rooms away from their televisions? Insanity.

I bet more people do their console gaming in rooms that lack a computer. I'm not one of them, but I still think being able to pull up webpages instantly on the same screen is far more convenient and a worthwhile feature. Like we've already discussed, the hardware and software framework for web browsing is already there to support gaming on the machine, why not take it a bit further?

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