[Movie] Heroes

All I can say is that George Takei is awesome.

Do you think there was any significance to the younger eyes reflected in his sword when he held it up? I wonder if he's been alive for a really long time.

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Originally Posted by Will

All I can say is that George Takei is awesome.

Do you think there was any significance to the younger eyes reflected in his sword when he held it up? I wonder if he's been alive for a really long time.

I noticed that too, and I wasn't sure if that was just a stylistic thing or if maybe he was supposed to be alive for a long time.

Maybe he is himself/is a student of Kensei? That'd be pretty cool.

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That was an amazing ending IMO

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I seriously didn't see Nathan actually letting his conscience win over. I knew it would be a good twist since Tim and his crew haven't disappointed me yet with the show, but that was just wow. It left so many questions too! Such as:

1.What happened to the hatian? He just disappeared as mentioned earlier in this thread.
2.Who is the man who can "see" Molly when she looks for him?
3.Was that trail of blood indicative that Sylar is still alive somehow?
4.How will Noah protect his family now? Especially since we don't even know what happened to his wife and son.
5.Was Peter still able to regenerate as was obvious he did in the nightmare future?

And plenty more, but I guess those are my top five for the time being. Still, even with all of that, I like the sense of closure that this brought. It really felt like a chapter has completed in the saga, and that they're ready to pick up with a whole new direction next season.

EDIT: Looks like Tim answered my question about Peter in the live blog.....sorta, and I guess I shouldn't be too surprised considering what a big role he played and all.

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I just imagine Nathan and Peter in the air, Peter tells his brother "are you gonna blow?" he nods, Nathan lets him fall, flies away, far from him, avoiding the explosion. Everybody is safe and both Petrelli actor will still get a paycheck again for volume 2.

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Well, that's it. Episode 23 is done and the season is concluded. I'm mostly satisfied with the way things panned out. The few loose ends are a necessity to keep fans talking over the summer.

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I'm greatly pleased that Niki has finally come into her own ability, which seems to be super-strength. It's likely that her sister, Jessica, had a power that enabled her consciousness to live on through someone else, and that Jessica would take control whenever Niki was about to discover her ability. This is how Niki was kept weak for so long. Good to see her attain a bit of inner peace.

It seems that D.L. won't be dying, and I doubt Parkman will kick off either. He's just too popular and wasn't introduced as a secondary character like Eden McCain or Ted Sprague, who both seemed destined to die.

Molly Walker is likely going to play a huge role in Season Two. They used her to do a little bit of foreshadowing, after all. Molly spoke of one person she can't find, someone who's so vile and corrupt that she can't even focus upon him without feeling the taint of his presence spying on her mind.
If you're at all familiar with the history of the X-Men, then this reminds me of the Shadow King. It's very likely that this entity will become the main villain of season two.

More and more, it also looks like Mama Pitrelli is the one pulling the strings. Though Linderman may have been powerful, Mama Pitrelli may have had a lot of influence upon the way he saw the future of mankind. After all, Mama Pitrelli was willing to sacrifice one child and corrupt another just to ensure NYC's destruction and more power for her family. Even the news of Linderman's death didn't seem to phase her, as if it was her own plan all along.

I kind of knew Nathan would come to save the day. You really don't introduce a reluctant character like that, with a power that seems tailor-made for emergency evacuations, and then proceed to NOT use him in the moment of need. Theoretically, Nathan could survive the blast if he lets Peter go at the right moment, then zooms out of the blast radius. I'm certain Nathan is plenty quick enough to catch Peter on the descent.

There is speculation as to whether Nathan will get to remain Congressman, should he survive. In the comics, Hana Gitelman is aware of the plot to rig the votes and takes it upon herself to unrig them, or expose the fraud. However, the TV series showed Nathan winning already, so it's unknown which course will prevail.

Hiro is just plain awesome. Teleporting all over the place and successfully impaling Sylar. The end scene was a bit of a shock, Hiro in feudal Japan, that is.
What's interesting is that it appeared to be George Takei under the ronin's mask, sporting the helix symbol, which is actually taken from adapted kanji characters (meaning it's a plausible thing for him to be carrying). Will suggested, two posts above, that Mr. Nakamura's ability might be extreme longevity. If this is so, then the legends of Kensei may be tales from Mr. Nakamura's own life.
I'm also waiting to find out if Hiro's sister will possess any skills. Hiro's father seems to favor her, so she may have manifested hers sooner, and with greater mastery.

There's a few loose ends: Whatever became of the Haitian Man, Claude Raines and Hana Gitelman? They just vanished (which is par for the course with Raines).

How, precisely, did Sylar learn to use other peoples' abilities? Did he eat their brains as Molly stated, or did he simply examine the DNA codons and instinctively alter his own to match?
And how did Sylar fake his own death while in the cell? Is this a power he picked up, or was it accomplished by studying the cockroach that repeatedly crawled nearby?

What of the older generation of Heroes? The comics have revealed that they were involved in Vietnam War maneuvers, as soldiers. Linderman was a field medic and Mr. Pitrelli was in the platoon. There have been other heroes associated with them, namely Mr. Nakamura, Mama Pitrelli and Mr. Deveaux. There's obviously a backstory there and I really hope it's revealed in Season two.

I figured they'd also leave it unknown as to whether Sylar was actually killed. The trail of blood makes it look like he either crawled to the sewers, or something dragged his corpse.

On the plus side, Ando remained alive, and Mr. Bennett finally got a first name: Noah. 'Bout time. I expect him to be a rather integral resistance figure in the next season or two.

Maybe next season we'll get to meet some new Heroes from Mohinder's list.

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Not much else to add that Crash didn't already, except one thing about Sylar.

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The manhole beside Sylar didn't look like it had been moved enough for him to have crawled through it, and even if he managed that there's no way he had enough strength to climb down. I'm wondering if there was more to the melting guy's ability that Sylar stole. We haven't seen him use it since then, and it's plausible that he could have slowly liquified himself as he got to the manhole. Once down there he could have figured out how to re-solidify. So little time was spent on that ability, unlike his super hearing acquired around the same time, that we don't know if it can be used like that.

I'm a little doubtful that he could have escaped at all though. It seemed to suggest it, but there were too many people there who would have noticed the disappearance of Sylar's body.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Tritoch

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I'm wondering if there was more to the melting guy's ability that Sylar stole. We haven't seen him use it since then, and it's plausible that he could have slowly liquified himself as he got to the manhole. Once down there he could have figured out how to re-solidify.

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I suppose anything is possible at this point, but I don't think his power allowed him to melt anything that wasn't composed of metal.

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Ok, everythings been said, so I'll just say this.

The finale kicked so much ass, and still teased us with Volume 2 "Generations", perfect way to get people to speculate Season 2, and awesome for keeping alot of "deaths" vague, so we can't really tell whos dead and who's alive. Brilliant.

Best show in 2007, it better win some goddamn awards or else the industry is even more pretentious/moronic than what people said it was.

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A good finale no doubt, but it didn't live up to the hype that it created.

Nonetheless I'm still looking forward to Season 2. Something tells me we'll be getting weekly comic updates meanwhile. That would be so cool and nice of the producers.

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For some reason I thought it would be a 2-hour finale. I was ready for 4 hours of television last night too. =/

Anyway. Awesome end to volume 1, and I'm glad we got the start of volume 2 as well. Definitely made me go WTF and is keeping me interested for the next season, as well as the aforementioned loose ends from this volume.

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Good finale, I'm definitely watching next season.

About the end and Peter's powers:

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I kinda always thought of the possibility to just fly away and explode far, far up in the sky instead of doing it in the city. It was just too obvious and I was kinda hoping that they would solve it some other way. Peter already had the power of flight since it was one of the first abilities he "stole", but it turns out that his brother was there to save him in the end after all.

This brings me up to a theory, or rather, a question, about Peter's powers:

Is Peter able to use more than one power at once? If he isn't, that would explain why he didn't fly away by himself. Has he ever used more than one ability at a time? I don't remember...

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Originally Posted by Sword Familiar

About the end and Peter's powers:

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I kinda always thought of the possibility to just fly away and explode far, far up in the sky instead of doing it in the city.

Season two premiere: New York paralysed due to EMP; Arsenal Gear lands on Federal Hall.

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Originally Posted by Aardark

Season two premiere: New York paralysed due to EMP; Arsenal Gear lands on Federal Hall.

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Actually, I was a little flumoxed by Peter's explosion. If it was an atomic explosion equivalent to a nuclear bomb (and Sprague's radiation would indicate that), wouldn't exploding over New York City shower the populace with fallout? Also, if you look directly at a nuclear blast, can't it burn out your retinas the same as looking at the sun for too long?

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Originally Posted by nuttyturnip

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Actually, I was a little flumoxed by Peter's explosion. If it was an atomic explosion equivalent to a nuclear bomb (and Sprague's radiation would indicate that), wouldn't exploding over New York City shower the populace with fallout? Also, if you look directly at a nuclear blast, can't it burn out your retinas the same as looking at the sun for too long?

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I thought if it was detonated up high enough then EMP was the only real danger. I had the same thought as Aardark on that. If nothing else, perhaps Sprague's radiation is a bit different since no one on the outskirts of the explosion in "5 Years Later" seemed mutated or sick. That would've been plenty of time to see the full effects if it had caused any birth defects and such.

As for retina burning, shouldn't it have blinded Hiro and some of those feudal soldiers to stare directly at the eclipse too? Maybe "special" people all have ultra-durable eyes.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Are the spoiler tags necessary? Oh well...

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Maybe "the bomb" was sort of like Midas from Front Mission 3 (i.e. environment-friendly). The only reason I even had that in mind is that my buddy put on a Discovery special on atomic weaponry after the 24 finale but before I went home and watched Heroes. Doesn't the EMP have something to do with how high it goes off? If it were high enough, it shouldn't be a problem. Damn, I wish I had been paying more attention to the special. XD

Crash, at first glance I could've sworn it was George in the Samurai getup. But then I slowed it down (DVR <3) and I wasn't convinced. But I'll bet anything that the eyes under that helmet were the same reflected in George's sword during the previous episode. I'm totally sold on the longevity thing now. Being alive for that long would explain his skill, knowledge, and influence.

I'm interested in the powers of the older characters more than ever, and it looks like they'll play a bigger part in Volume 2. I'm especially intrigued by Peter's vision of Simone's father.

I don't think it's particularly likely, especially given his limited role in the bastard future, but might the Hatian be the one Molly can't find, the one that can see her when she looks for him?

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I stand corrected. Nuclear fallout comes from the radioactive debris kicked up from the explosion, so if it exploded in midair, then there's no fallout. As for the blindness, most likely they would have experienced temporary blindness for 3-10 minutes, but that's about the worst that could have happened.

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Originally Posted by Sword Familiar

Is Peter able to use more than one power at once? If he isn't, that would explain why he didn't fly away by himself. Has he ever used more than one ability at a time? I don't remember...

I think when that was going down he actually said something along the lines of he couldn't control it/move. I think he was show in previous episodes utilizing more than one power at a time. He just couldn't control it in this case, so he couldn't fly out on his own...

Bye bye spoilers.

Also, I think I'll chime in here, since I did EMP research as an undergrad, including threat assessment and awareness.

Check HEMP (High Altitude EMP), a nuclear detonation in the upper atmosphere. HEMP can interfere with ground and airborne systems located over 1000 miles from the origin. I think the theoretical example I found back then was that a strategically placed HEMP attack over the geographical center of the mainland US can be enough to take out systems in the lower 48 states. HEMP is the most powerful but hardest to generate due to the resources required.

Basically, if Peter did indeed go nuclear (> ~1 megaton), it would be a hella lot more than NY that would be affected by the HEMP.

EDIT: Hehe, I just remembered that the custom title I used to use here on forums ~3 years ago was EMP Weapons Specialist Extraordinaire. :3

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Originally Posted by Will

I don't think it's particularly likely, especially given his limited role in the bastard future, but might the Hatian be the one Molly can't find, the one that can see her when she looks for him?[/spoiler]

My first thought when Molly mentioned not being able to see someone was the Haitian. Maybe he is a lot more significant/powerful than anyone gave him credit for. It wouldn't surprise me to see them introduce a new ubervillain in that way. (i.e. right under our collective noses)

The Peter flying thing bothered me too. Maybe it was just that not exploding took all his concentration, so that if he tried to do two things at once, he would be bound to go off.

I'm really disappointed with the illuminati/old heroes side of things. I know they don't want to have everything explained in the first season, but I never bought for a second that these people would be willing to let millions die for a political/social engineering agenda. Hopefully we'll see more of their motivations and past experiences in season two.

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Originally Posted by Skexis

I'm really disappointed with the illuminati/old heroes side of things. I know they don't want to have everything explained in the first season, but I never bought for a second that these people would be willing to let millions die for a political/social engineering agenda. Hopefully we'll see more of their motivations and past experiences in season two.

Several episodes back, when Nathan first met Linderman face-to-face, Linderman explained that there used to be a team of special people who fought for justice, blah blah blah. Linderman then stated that some of them had lost their way.

It seems to me that there are conflicting ideologies, each believing himself to possess altruistic goals with vastly differing means of attaining them. From Linderman's perspective - one wherein the ends justifies the means, killing millions to save billions is mathematically acceptable. The percentage lost is slight. Given that those killed were living in what Linderman probably considered the most corrupt, vile city in America, it would be no great loss for humanity.
Compare that to Mr. Deveaux's stance that all lives are worth preserving. Saving people one at a time is slow, tiring and often thankless. I could see where Linderman and the Pitrellis would consider clinging to this moral code to be out of touch and futile. I don't agree with it, but their perspective makes sense: to prepare an omelette, you must first break some eggs.

It's the kind of amorality that has come to be the benchmark of the modern politician and crime boss. I found their willingness to sacrifice millions, even their own, for some tragically misguided agenda to be well within the realm of belief.
Did not Hitler kill the Jews because he believed it would usher in new prosperity for a superior Germanic people? I think the same principle applies to the illuminati Heroes.

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Well, I mean I understand it on a perfunctory level-- I saw the "explanation" episode with Linderman, and presumably they each want to save the world in their own deluded way, but I guess what I'm getting at is that I didn't understand what would drive them to take such an extremist view. I didn't buy it because it seemed to be too easy, too much like a cliche villain.

I realize we're talking about a show that uses comic books as source material, but still. =p

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Originally Posted by Skexis

The Peter flying thing bothered me too. Maybe it was just that not exploding took all his concentration, so that if he tried to do two things at once, he would be bound to go off.

I'm sure that's what it was (at least it's what I told my dad when he brought it up).

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Best show in 2007, it better win some goddamn awards or else the industry is even more pretentious/moronic than what people said it was.

Although I love this show and it does everything write, this year Battlestar Galactica reached higher than what Heroes aimed at and achieved it. However, unlike Lost they managed to keep this show on an even keel story-wise and quality-wise. They definitely should win some awards.

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The person that Molly talked about that can "see her" reminded me of The eye of Sauron (from Lord of the Rings, as he could see Frodo when he put on the ring.)
The writers has set up a new threat along with our missing Sylar. I hope they don't introduce either of them too soon. Sylar should lay low and pop out unexpectedly or something.

Does anyone know what the cockroach signifies?

And the Haitian, I brought it up a while back and I think I know why he's gone. He was in on it with Angela Petrelli, so he wasn't needed there to stop the bomb.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

Does anyone know what the cockroach signifies?

All I remember is the lecture Mohinder was giving in the first episode about how he theorized that God was a cockroach. I'm not sure what connection, if any, that has though.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

Does anyone know what the cockroach signifies?

If I remember right, the cockroach was part of the series introduction and talking about "evolution," so it was likely an attempt to say something about coming full circle, or perhaps evolving into the next part of the series. Never mind that those are hissing cockroaches and wouldn't normally be seen in the U.S. outside of a lab or zoo environment. =p

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