Sonic dying a slow and painful death...

Anyone trying to defend Sonic in 3D, obviously hasn't played any of the 3D Sonics. Fact.

This and every other 3D Sonic title will suck, period. Trying to make Sonic more mature won't help the poor gameplay.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I think they're emphasising "realism" (if you can call it that, it looks a bit half-assed to me) to justify the expense and power of the newer consoles. It's not about making the game better, anymore than the hardware requirements of Windows Vista are to make the PC better. It's about keeping stock moving and continuous growth in the industry. As someone else mentioned, a cute blue hedgehog in that kind of environment looks totally out of place.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I agree that Sonic's last "decent" game was SA2. However, in the character department Sonic has just gone NUTS.

Of course, for games to advance there'll have to be new characters. However, when they turn up just for one installment and never appear again, they're not worth putting in.

Will we see the Chameleon guy again (from Sonic Heros)? Blaze the Cat? The guy in Sonic Riders (can't remember their names, cause I played it and stopped right after that)? The Echidna girl from SA1 (who appeared in multiplayer for SA2)? How about Fang (Sonic Double Trouble)?

Sonic Main Cast (?)
-Sonic
-Eggman
-Tails
-Knuckles
-Amy
-Shadow
-Rogue

Let's just keep it at that for now. There's not enough room for 3 (if I read correctly) new characters.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by NovaX

Anyone trying to defend Sonic in 3D, obviously hasn't played any of the 3D Sonics.

I have ^^. After SA2.. everything did go down. I played through heroes but i didn't say it was great either. it was heading to borderline garbage. Some of the music saved it. When Shadow the Hedgehog came out, I know sega was getting sloppy. They should just stick with handhelds now. They should bring back SoR =/.

My honest response .


And the Chameleon guy is Espio.. along with Charmy the bee and Vector. Sad how i remember the names. Obviously from a weird game called Knuckles Chaotix.

edit : it just hit my head that Mighty wasn't in the game lol.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by YeOldeButchere

And would it really kill Sega to give him a theme song in this one? The last game that actually had one was Sonic Adventure 2, and that was a while ago.

Well, there was a theme for him in Sonic Riders...okay, yeah, he pretty much is just a joke now.

Originally Posted by NovaX

This and every other 3D Sonic title will suck, period. Trying to make Sonic more mature won't help the poor gameplay.

Liar. Once prostitutes are added in the adventure fields of the game, sales will skyrocket (along with the pants of adolescent boys). Did we also mention that Amy Rose might possibly get raped in this game? Not to mention, FUCK, is said once or twice. You'll be amazed at just how much money we will make by further shaming the video gaming industry.


Sinfully Yours,

Sonic Team

Originally Posted by Ulysses

I think they're emphasising "realism" (if you can call it that, it looks a bit half-assed to me) to justify the expense and power of the newer consoles.

Sadly, that's what a lot of game will be doing. The sad thing is, the kids are already prasing it even though it's just going to be a better looking Sonic Adventure.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by NovaX

Anyone trying to defend Sonic in 3D, obviously hasn't played any of the 3D Sonics. Fact.

Why would someone defend a game they haven't played?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Ulysses

I think they're emphasising "realism" (if you can call it that, it looks a bit half-assed to me) to justify the expense and power of the newer consoles. It's not about making the game better, anymore than the hardware requirements of Windows Vista are to make the PC better. It's about keeping stock moving and continuous growth in the industry. As someone else mentioned, a cute blue hedgehog in that kind of environment looks totally out of place.

As much as I'd hate to admit it...he's right. After looking at the screens again, the springs look out of place too. Once again, we'll see...this week, as a matter of fact (maybe).

Originally Posted by NovaX

Anyone trying to defend Sonic in 3D, obviously hasn't played any of the 3D Sonics. Fact.

This and every other 3D Sonic title will suck, period. Trying to make Sonic more mature won't help the poor gameplay.

That statement makes no sense. I've played the 3D Sonics and that's why I'm defending them...from Adventure to Heroes. I can't agree with you on the 3D Sonic titles sucking, however...I can agree with you on "Trying to make Sonic more mature won't help the poor gameplay." Once again, that was proven in Shadow the Hedgehog.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The whole game is out of place. Reminds me of that Flintstones game that was based on the movie, which was based on the cartoon, which.. something.. something. Anyway they made the games characters look like the real life actors and it gave everyone instant bowel cancer.


"Yabba Dab-auuugh reality prevents me from sliding down this dinosaurs tail, game over"

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Posted by Ulysses
I think they're emphasising "realism" (if you can call it that, it looks a bit half-assed to me) to justify the expense and power of the newer consoles. It's not about making the game better, anymore than the hardware requirements of Windows Vista are to make the PC better. It's about keeping stock moving and continuous growth in the industry. As someone else mentioned, a cute blue hedgehog in that kind of environment looks totally out of place.

Sonic is one game series that could really benefit from some well-done cel shading. Here I gesture wildly at Klonoa 2 for an example of just how good the results can be. It is completely possible to show off the awesome graphical power of the console without turning the environments into Half-Life maps; if anything, it shows off even more if you can have rich, detailed environments running at 60 FPS with a graphics filter on top of the works.

You know what Sega really needs to do? Knuckles Chaotix 2. There's a series that desperately needs a revamp.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by NovaX

Anyone trying to defend Sonic in 3D, obviously hasn't played any of the 3D Sonics. Fact.

This and every other 3D Sonic title will suck, period. Trying to make Sonic more mature won't help the poor gameplay.

Don't go spouting your bullshit as fact, son. As much as we laugh at them, there ARE people that have played 2-D and 3-D Sonics and liked them more.

I also happen to LIKE SA2. Heroes also had the best final boss fight of any Sonic game period, despite the rest of the game sucking.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

What is this now, Sonic "dying" a slow and painful death?

All this being said while kicking a dead hedgehog. Why did it die? Ask Sega, they forgot to feed it some AWESOME so it rolled up and died instead of gaining super speed.

The 3D Sonic games were alright, but they are not nearly as fun as the 2D games are. When I play any Genesis/Advance title versus Adventure/Heroes, you can clearly see the difference. Sonic is not dying, he is dead until they learn how to either nurture 2D/3D gameplay, or stick strictly with the Advance line.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Kostaki

What is this now, Sonic "dying" a slow and painful death?

All this being said while kicking a dead hedgehog. Why did it die? Ask Sega, they forgot to feed it some AWESOME so it rolled up and died instead of gaining super speed.

The 3D Sonic games were alright, but they are not nearly as fun as the 2D games are. When I play any Genesis/Advance title versus Adventure/Heroes, you can clearly see the difference. Sonic is not dying, he is dead until they learn how to either nurture 2D/3D gameplay, or stick strictly with the Advance line.

Sonic is not dead, period. He's suffering from a little lapse from Shadow and Riders. In all honesty, Sonic should stick to 3D. After the Adventure series and even Heroes, he should stick to the 3D gameplay. Now if they keep coming out with stuff like Rush, then yeah...keep him going on 2D stuff on the handheld market. As far as next-gen goes, keep him on 3D. That's how he's been viewed since 1999, and that's how it should be.

Originally Posted by Monkey King

Sonic is one game series that could really benefit from some well-done cel shading. Here I gesture wildly at Klonoa 2 for an example of just how good the results can be. It is completely possible to show off the awesome graphical power of the console without turning the environments into Half-Life maps; if anything, it shows off even more if you can have rich, detailed environments running at 60 FPS with a graphics filter on top of the works.

You know what Sega really needs to do? Knuckles Chaotix 2. There's a series that desperately needs a revamp.

I like how you say well-done cel shading, because I get the feeling you weren't too happy with how they did it in Sonic Shuffle? I wasn't too thrilled about it at first either, but it was decent. I almost wanted to say he was like that in Sonic Rush, but I'm probably wrong. I wouldn't mind giving a cel-shaded Sonic another chance. It could prove to be a very good thing.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The trailer is out, for those that want to see the game in motion: http://xboxyde.com/news_2888_en.html

FELIPE NO

Humans? In a Sonic Game?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Well, Sonic Adventure had quite a few humans, but none other than Dr. Robotnik were really important to the plot. Here's a few more pics, for those that just want to see the goods. The cutscenes seem to have a more "realistic" look to them, but the gameplay pics look more Sonic Adventure style.





Jam it back in, in the dark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nu8hSVv7FH0

The movie was alright.

Solis, the comments on that site were a little exaggerated. You barely see Sonic do anything.

It seems they are actually trying to push the Shadow the Hedgehog gameplay for when you're playing as Shadow. I hope they do it right this time then.

Double Post:
Looks like I was right about them giving the new hedgehog some sort of projectile attack to try to set him apart. =/

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Solis

Well, Sonic Adventure had quite a few humans, but none other than Dr. Robotnik were really important to the plot.

Yeah, Dr. Robotnik has always been the only human I've recognized in Sonic games.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I'm still not seeing anything to get excited over.

There wasn't even much gameplay shown. Sure, always show fancy nice looking cutscenes but it bothers me when they show little of the actual game.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Looks good to me. At least Robotnik has his egg belly there. More realistic and more evil .


EDIT : uhh..Shadow is riding a car again... I hope it doesn't flop like StH.. the controls were so so but the camera angle was poor.

If you guys really feel bad for 3d Sonic games.. stay away from it and just play the ones that are in handheld. End of Story.

I was speaking idiomatically.

What is this. I wanted to play Sonic the Hedgehog and I got Final Fantasy XIII instead.

What's next? Sonic getting a Keyblade? (Maybe it won't be a bad idea*shot*)

How ya doing, buddy?

The SHADOW levels are using HALO3 engine and he was riding a modified warthog design.

For sure.

I mean you must have a halfassed platforming part which would be OK but is ruined by the flashy camera, a shootout part, and a third gameplay method, which is something completely out of place for a Sonic game, all in one game. Or it is not a 3d sonic game.

The new designs are pretty well done, did they fire that cockhole Uekawa yet?

FELIPE NO

All I'm seeing so far is a combination of Sonic Adventure and Shadow the Hedgehog gameplay crunched into a graphically stunning game.

Hopefully they learned from the past Shadow the Hedgehog mistakes and actually make some good level designs this time.

I really hope we don't get recycled levels though. I hate when they do the same levels switch up a few things in the level for each character.

I want seperate stages for each character.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

The new Wii Sonic game looks better than the PS3/360 crap. Why lie.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I wish I could have seen that.

How was it? What was shown in it?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Solis

Is it me or someone went on a diet?

EDIT:

Originally Posted by evilboris

The SHADOW levels are using HALO3 engine and he was riding a modified warthog design.

For sure.

I thought you were joking, but I just saw the video and that seems like an accurate description to me.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.