Fragdoll Thread

Originally Posted by Devo

I love assumptions, especially from people who don't even know them.

I met them at the private party of Ubisoft last year at E3.

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Plus they're shallow and snobish cunts.

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I met them at the private party of Ubisoft last year at E3.

Translation: They wouldn't give me the time of day.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by russ

Translation: They wouldn't give me the time of day.

Oh you were there too?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I'm not really sure why the hell we need to put girl gamers on a pedestal as is like they're some kind of rarity and MUST HAVE SPOTLIGHT OR THEY'LL WITHER AND DIE LIKE FRAGILE FLOWERS WTF.

They're just like us. I've had my ass kicked by girls in games before on XBOX Live, on MMOs, and on fighting games. Some of my best competition has been girls, especially when it came to Soul Calibur games. They deserve their recognition and respect, but they don't need a pedestal so fapfapfap time becomes the standard.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Devo

So you got a first impression? Oh wow that proves a lot.

What?

No, I didn't spend the night with them, I talked to them a little bit and what I got out of this was my impression. Maybe they were that way since they thought I was hitting on them since most of the guys I knew tried desperately, but I wasn't and they just brushed me off like I was trash.

They're just a couple of girls playing games. Big deal.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Nah, I learned that after, when I got back to Montreal. One of my friend who's an Assistant Lead told me that he and another guy tried to it on them. He already has a girlfriend. What a prick.

But if they acted that way because guys kept trying to 'bed' them, they should already be experts on how to deal with it. It's not that often that you get average-to-good-looking girls who play games. Personnally, they're not my types. But for some, the fact that they have vaginas is more than enough.

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Oh yeah, sorry about that devo. I didn't realize it was you.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Can you people please proofread your thread titles before you post them? I've seen this "hread" in the new posts list 500 times already.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Devo

It is a norm, I guess just a hell of a lot of guys are in denial about it.

I agree lots of guys are in denial about it. Lots of my friends still make a big deal when they say they've found a girl playing a game. However if what you say about the female portion in games is true then I sure as hell don't see it in the games I play (CoD2, WC3, BF2 etc...).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Devo

Most girls get unisex names or mute themselves on mics because of the shit they deal with, I'd know.

Which I believe lends itself to a cycle where then the males on the server are even more convinced that females don't play games, which generates more negativity towards girls who do play games which then causes more girls to cloak their gender online. But perhaps if the female population made themselves more visible then maybe the fact that there is a significant female population that plays games might dawn on more males.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Who even cares about the "Fragdolls" anyway? It's lame. Just because they are somewhat attractive girls playing games, they have to form a whole special group over it? Pretty stupid. Maybe if they are actually good at games, then fine, but I've heard they aren't even any good. Attractive + Plays some games doesn't really mean shit to me. Hot chicks watch movies too. I don't see any "Hot Chick Movie Watchers Club".

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Originally Posted by Enter User Name

Attractive + Plays some games doesn't really mean shit to me. Hot chicks watch movies too. I don't see any "Hot Chick Movie Watchers Club".

That's not the same thing, because there's not a public perception in place already about watching movies. When people think "plays games," the gut reaction is to think D&D, mom's basement, pocket protectors, and fingers laden with cheetos-dust.

Computers and gaming, despite being a much more open thing now than it was in, say, the mid eighties, still has heavy stereotypes that are set on it. I'm not trying to take sides here, but this really isn't anything like watching movies, since they've been widely considered genderless activities since their creation.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yggdrasil - I dont think it is particularly fair to blame girls for the negativity direct towards them. You cannot blame women for assuming cloaked roles because they only mean to protect themselves from hostility. While you blame this on the cycle women created, it is hard to assume the role of the minority. Most of the points I have seen this far in the thread have been male-centered and do not take the feelings of women into account.

Certainly, I will admit that the last dozen posts have gone off the topic of the "Fragdolls" and have focused more on female gamers. I understand on one hand we have male gamers who encourage female gamers to play but see them being the problem within the gaming community and creating the cycle of hostility. While on the other hand, Devo, Russ and I believe that the male gamers were hostile first resulting in the female obscurity in gaming.

To those males, I have to say that with most females gamers I have encountered, all have experienced sexisms towards them. The hostility directed towards women is not a joke or an illusion. In fact, I have talked with my friends about this issue. In many ways, the male hostility is an extension of male dominance. Many male gamer friends of mine are ashamed to loose to their female counterparts. These individuals also happen to be the same guys who hate loosing to women in sports and any sort of sports and consequently tell sexist jokes in their free time.

At the same time, I understand the argument on the otherside. While women are afraid of being ridiculed, you must band together and muster courage. Your combined strength can overcome name calling and hostility. You dont have to put yourself on center-stage and become a company's spokemodel of exclusively female gamers. Create a respectable clan and show the male community that female gamers are just as good. Change is not a rapid process. Just as women's sports have emerged as a respectable franchise over the past several years, it will take strong, progressive female gamers to break the boundaries set. I must admit, I myself see the fragdolls as a "marketing gimmick" although I would definitely like to see the spotlight on more female gamers.

Really, this plea is too the users responding to the thread. Carefully read the posts before responding and take into consideration the feelings and perspective of the opposite side. It will lead to less tension. This thread is meant to be a discussion and while there is no write "solution" or manner to discuss the topic, there is certainly a neccessity to adhere to etiquette.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Skexis

That's not the same thing, because there's not a public perception in place already about watching movies. When people think "plays games," the gut reaction is to think D&D, mom's basement, pocket protectors, and fingers laden with cheetos-dust.

Computers and gaming, despite being a much more open thing now than it was in, say, the mid eighties, still has heavy stereotypes that are set on it. I'm not trying to take sides here, but this really isn't anything like watching movies, since they've been widely considered genderless activities since their creation.

That's my point, dude. Why does there need to be a special group of female gamers? It makes no sense. I know movies as a whole are not generally gender specific, but movie genres are. You think of romance movies, that's for women. You think of action movies, that's for men. You don't see groups of hot women action movie watching groups, or macho men romance movie watcher groups. Why does there need to have a group of chicks form some kind of group of female game players as if they are some kind of special skills. If they were highly skilled, fine, I'm all for it. But I've heard they are not even any good, so the whole thing is completely pointless other then to say "hey look, we're a bunch of chicks who play games". LAME.

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