[DS] Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Hm...

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Didn't Atila burst the front part open or something?

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wouldnt that like reveal herself to everyone then especially to stickler?

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Perhaps, but I'm just riding off of what happened in Apollo's explanation in the diagram when all the pieces blew off revealing her location. I guess the bitch was just lucky to have hit him there... I dunno. :|

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She could have just stuck the gun out and shot. Besides, Wocky was probably:

A) pissed off more than a herd of bulls that got kicked in the nuts and shown the Chinese flag afterwards; and
B) scared out of his mind.

Either way, not the most optimal state of mind to notice a detail that small. And the panty-snatcher (LOLOLOL) was in a really terrible position to see the shooter, and was probably focusing on Wocky instead of the victim; let's face it, if you see one man pointing a gun at another, you're NOT going to be looking at the guy who's unarmed.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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However the details are still vague which I dislike.

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Whoo! Finally got done with the third case... Nice little twist at the end I might add...

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I thought that Machi would have to talk at some point... Guess I was wrong. Onward to the final case!

FELIPE NO

So....many....spoilers.....

Must resist urge to read....

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I was thinking the exact same thing. Too bad I didn't resist. Oops.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

ARGH.

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SPARK BRUSHEL PISSES ME OFF. HIS CHARACTER DESIGN PISSES ME OFF.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Oh gosh, anyone find the game easier than previous ones? =/ episode 3 and its so easy so far =3

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I thought people were supposed to mark their spoilers, or something like that. Too much trouble?

Finished case 2 last night and just barely started case 3. Already looks epic, though I kind of wish Capcom sprung for animated videos instead of the CG ones for introductions. Hard to jam when you're a stick figure.

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Originally Posted by Kimchi

Oh gosh, anyone find the game easier than previous ones? =/ episode 3 and its so easy so far =3

A friend of mine said that too. Im on case 3 so far...

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Cmon.. dislocated shoulder? look at machi.. or whatever his name is.. the kid's only 14 and hes short as hell... no way he can use the gun but the game doesnt let u make that argument so far... and how does machi carry that huge lunker onto the platform in the first place?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well I just finished Case 2 (takin' my time, yeah), and I'm pretty pleased with it overall. The cast of characters wasn't too impressive, but I did love Wesley Stickley. At first I was annoyed by his page-turning and stuff, but it quickly became rather endearing.

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Oh yeah, and Alita was one of the worst murderers I've seen in the series. Her whole persona seemed incomplete and underwhelming.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So about the ending and the last case...

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Phoenix can....time travel and show people in the past evidence from the future? What the fuck. Either way, I did enjoy getting to play as Phoenix again, if only for a brief moment. The revelation of both Trucy and Apollo being siblings wasn't too out of the blue if you considered their "powers" and how rare they were as the game progressed. Overall though the case felt weak, but I guess since they were going in a different direction with the Jurist's System that was to be expected.

Also, Vera was too cute with the drawing of the smiley faces, the frowny face one was the best. Additionally, young Trucy + Mr. Hat is officially the most adorable thing I've ever seen in a video game.

PS. Anybody hate Brushel as much as I did? God I couldn't fucking stand that guy. His entire character is terrible.

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My impressions after completing the game below.

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Finished it last night. Overall, a pretty good game, but easily the weakest in the series, IMO. Though, I rank JFA and TaT about on par with each other (if it wasn't for 3-4 and 3-5 in TaT, I'd probably rank JFA above it), so my opinion is definitely one of the more discrepant ones.

Anyway, I had a few problems with various things throughout the game, much of which grated on me. For one, the music is nowhere near the quality of the previous Ace Attorney's. Additionally, the character designs are, with some exceptions, horrid. Brushel, Wesley Stickler, Little Puma, Daryan, etc. were all grossly flamboyant.

I also found myself disliking many, many more characters than I normally do. There are always going to be some annoying characters throughout an Ace Attorney game, but this had a surfeit of them. Again, Brushel, Wesley Stickler, and Olga, in particular, really bugged me. Especially Brushel.

I also feel Klavier Gavin was nowhere near as intimidating or really as enjoyable as Edgeworth, Franziska, or Godot as a prosecutor. He was by no means a bad character, but he's not someone I'm really anticipating seeing in any forthcoming sequels.

Trucy was great. I think she filled the role of Maya pretty well, and had her own distinguishable personality, instead of being just a Maya clone. Ema Skye returning wasn't so bad, but I didn't enjoy her anywhere near as much as Gumshoe, since that was the role she was basically fulfilling. She was annoying at times, but, overall, not too bad. Phoenix Wright really bugged me, though. I understand that, given his situation (losing his attorney's badge), he was bitter and resentful, but his entire disposition changed from the end of Trials and Tribulations to Apollo Justice. He was no longer as... I guess naive, as he was in the previous games.

The last case was pretty good. Again, probably the weakest last case in the series, but still not bad. It was cohesive and comprehensive, since it spanned seven years. The only problem I had was the completely superimposed revelation that Apollo and Trucy were half-brother/sister, and Lamiroir = Thalassa. It felt contrived and unnecessary, and was merely there for shock value. Apollo's backstory was never really explored (outside of who his mother was), so I'm assuming that'll be something appearing in Ace Attorney 5. I think Phoenix Wright mentioned that Apollo was with the attorney's office at the age of 15, though, so I'm guessing he was still in training or something... but for seven years? Maybe I misunderstood, in any case.

Like I said, overall, a good game, the weakest in the series (IMO), and it'll be interesting to see where they go from here. I'm definitely missing the old cast, though.

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I agree. One thing in particular bugs me about this game: WTF happened to Maya and Pearl? And I agree, Gavin is the weakest of the prosecutors. He has no real motivation to prosecute, since he starts out from day 1 saying "I'm after the truth, nothing more." He just wasn't as big of a presence as the other 3, IMO.

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So who really digs the new Examination - Allegro theme in GS4? I do lol. can't stop listening to it. I was playing GS4 at my cousins and that track was playing and suddenly they couldn't stop humming to it hahaha.

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Originally Posted by Tails

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PS. Anybody hate Brushel as much as I did? God I couldn't fucking stand that guy. His entire character is terrible.

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I can agree with you there... Every time I looked at this guy, I got a headache.

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Finished the game just a little while ago and I've gotta get my thoughts out as well because no one else around my area has even gotten to Phoenix Wright: T&T yet.

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First things first...what the fuck did they do to Phoenix Wright? So he knows a lot now and is very clever while planning his steps ahead? On top of that, he is a step-father? This isn't the Phoenix I'm used to seeing and laughing at. Capcom, why?

Before I continue, I honestly assumed this game was going to take place...well, not in the same vicinity as where Phoenix had his cases. I figured it would be overseas to where Ema Skye was studying her forensic science stuff, thus the whole new cast of characters minus Ema. I just made that assumption, I never read into the game itself other than there was a new attorney and Ema was coming back.

Speaking of Ema, what a bitch! She was much more enjoyable in PW1: Case 5, but here...she has a rotten attitude and when she's angry she eats? Where have I heard that before? It's nice that her love for science hasn't gone away, but overall I don't like what they've done to her either. Also, she is the main detective in this game. I wouldn't have had a problem with that if it didn't take place in Phoenix's area, but since it does I have only one complaint. What happened to Gumshoe? I understand 7 years is a long time, but if you're gonna have Phoenix in there then you damn sure better have more of the old cast returning besides the Judge. At least they had the decency to bring him in near the end where you go back to the case 7 years ago but they didn't even play his theme music and that's one of my favorite songs in the series.

Speaking of the old cast, I'm with The_Griffin. What the hell happened to Maya and Pearl? You'd think they would still be with Phoenix even back in the 7 years ago trial...but no, not even there. I can understand Edgeworth not being around since in the last game he had to get called back from another country to come help the gang, but no Maya and Pearl? Did they have an argument with Phoenix and go back to their village? I just don't get it.

Oh yeah, forgot Winston Payne was in there...that dumbass.

Now on to the new cast...normally, there are a good deal of characters from each game that stand out to me, but there are only two in this one:

1. Trucy - Honestly, I hated her at first and did not want to accept her as the new Maya. Then there was the case of the missing magic panties, to which I could not stop laughing at. Also, her Mr. Hat trick came out of nowhere and scared the shit out of me at first. She's not Maya, but she's not bad either.

2. Prosecutor Gavin - Unfortunately, he's not as intimidating as the previous prosecutors. He has a cool animation of playing an invisible guitar and a rocking theme song. He's no Godot or Edgeworth, but he gets points for being unique.


On to the music, I'll be using this site as a reference since I don't know any other sites with the music. PW/GS/AA Music Archive - Gyakuten Saiban 4

The tracks that really stood out to me were the following:

Courtroom
Before Cross Examination
Explanation
Inform the Truth 2007
Kyouya Garyuu ~ Starstruck (RABU RABU GUILTY) (Best track in the game)
Search ~ Core 2007

Then there were the returning tracks from Phoenix Wright 1 and those were awesome as usual. You have no idea how happy I was when I heard Objection! 2001 in case 1. That was really unexpected.

Also, there were two tracks I liked from the previous games that they brought back and redid...and I ended up not liking them. It's like when they changed the Turnabout Sisters theme for JFA and T&T...the old version was better. Anyway, the two tracks:

1. Psyche Lock - I really don't have much to comment about this one, it's just the new one didn't sound right to me.

2. Ema Skye ~ Turnabout Sisters' Theme 2007 - What...the...hell. This was one of my favorite tunes back in PW1 and then it's redone like this? Ugh...the melody is the same but what was wrong with the 2005 version? You brought back the other music from PW1 untouched, why not this one?

The gameplay is solid except for the part where you're trying to perceive where the witness was lying. Hold on, before you start throwing stuff at me I will admit I liked it on the first three cases because they were a bit simple...except for the one with Lamiroir, I somehow found that one by accident by aiming at her lips instead of her throat. In the final case, I guess I was too much of a n00b to figure it out so I had to look it up for the reporter guy and Kristoph. They also brought the scientific investigation gameplay and different parts of it too, each one I found to be really interesting and that's what stood out in this game and what I ended up enjoying the most.

Also, it was awesome when they had you play as Phoenix Wright again. PW1 music and PW1 courtroom...the only thing that sucked was I knew how the case was going to turn out.

The story to this game was just...I dunno. Some parts just didn't fit...I liked the twists at the end where you find out about Lamiroir's true identity (that's gonna cause a lot of fun in the h-community between Apollo and Trucy XD) but overall my main problem was that it took place seven years later, crushing any hope of being able to play a new Phoenix Wright game. For some reason, I can't get used to Apollo. He seems more emotional with his yelling than Phoenix, but I just can't like the guy.

Overall, it's not a bad game but there are areas that could've been improved. I know I nit-picked the hell out of this game, but maybe it's due to being spoiled by the previous games. Honestly I also agree that it's probably the weakest in the series, either this or Justice for All. Oh well, you can't hope to have every game in the series be good.

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This is bad i just found out who was the killer in the first case.

fucking wikipedia

All in all enjoying the game, i found the last game (trials and tribulations) pretty far boring since i didn't really like Mia at all to begin with.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Captain Desu

This is bad i just found out who was the killer in the first case.

fucking wikipedia

All in all enjoying the game, i found the last game (trials and tribulations) pretty far boring since i didn't really like Mia at all to begin with.

oh cmon mia is pretty sexy with her hair flip.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I agree about case 3 "wtf"... the ideal is just all wrong.

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I half expected something along the lines like Cerend forced Machi to take the dead guy up there to throw everything off. That was just... way off and plain as day stupid. :\ Like he said, how the hell can Machi carry him? They never gotten around to explaining that.

I also half expected to see that they used the gun THROUGH that little window and throw it in there to make it even more interesting... Afterall the direction of the bullet holes were slightly lined up with the little window, guess they didn't go that way.

I just now started case 4 and already have plenty of assumptions...

FELIPE NO

My gripe with case 3 is that they didn't tie things up as neatly in the end as they usually do.

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Why exactly did Machi need the money so bad? What happened to the Chief Justice's son? Unless these get answered in the case 4 epilogue, I'll be kind of disappointed.

I kind of expected that Machi wanted the money because he knew that Lamiroir wanted surgery to fix her eyes... but then I suppose that would've been a bit too close to how case 2 ended up.

Brushel in Case 4 has to be the ugliest/most annoying character in the series so far.

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The loose ends in Apollo bothered me, but I guess they intend to answer them in GS5.

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Who am I kidding, they will just forget about them and assume we forgot what happened.

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Well, I just finished case 3.

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And I've gotta say I was both impressed and displeased. I was impressed with the characters...they were all pretty intriguing, especially Lamiroir (<3). I also liked the epic, undercover feel it had; and the music was great (Lamiroir's theme (an adaptation of awesome "The Guitar's Serenade") is one of my favourite AA pieces). As for the case itself, I thought it was far too complex and convoluted to really grasp onto. And there were several aspects which weren't exactly tied up with a neat little bow, as people have stated in this thread. But even all of this is counterbalanced by Lamiroir.

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I kind of think that Machi, even knowing that he and Lamiroir are (presumably) rather wealthy, wanted to get money himself in order to give it to Lamiroir for eye surgery, you know, as an act of generosity and stuff. But still, it was left way up in the air. I also wish they'd focused more on the "Up together in the sky" part; the part where Daryan tried to kill Lami was also really flimsily looked over. I thought that part was intense, a shame it was so ephemeral.

Oh and Apollo and Gavin are starting to get on my nerves a bit. I appreciate Klavier's nice guy "I want the truth" attitude, but it can seem really painted on sometimes. Also, his "I'm always right" attitude and Apollo's constant jealousy of him can wear a little thin. Additionally, Apollo's just becoming kind of lame at certain points. Otherwise, he's a cool cat.

The judge is still as awesome as ever, though. (Oooh I can't wait to meet this Brushel character. Sounds like a hoot.)

So, due to it getting on my nerves, the standings are as follows: Case I > II > III

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Oh, christ, I hated Gavin. Yeah, it's nice to have a guy who just wants the truth on paper, but for fuck's sake, he was a complete non-entity for the majority of the game. Seriously, what did he do outside of outing Phoenix for producing forged evidence (which was less him and more his brother)? On top of that, his premise is ridiculous. "lol gaiz i'm a rock star!" Yet even with his premise being as ridiculous as it is, you never see it come into play. Outside of the occasional air guitar, he's a pansy-ass Edgeworth who doesn't try to WIN. Half the drama and enjoyment I get from the game is the outrage at how dirty the prosecuting attorney fights. Hell, even Godot fought dirty... yet Gavin's squeaky-clean, which seriously detracts from the game as a whole.

He's easily the worst prosecuting attorney I've seen in the entire series. Godot > Victor von Karma > Franziska von Karma > Edgeworth > Payne > Gavin.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.