George Lucas to make big announcement tomorrow!

I thought the big news was that Lucas is going to collaborate once again with Spielberg to make a new animated film based on the Belgian cartoon, Tintin.

What's this whole thread really about?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Guru

What's this whole thread really about?

Nothing, now that there was no announcement...

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Talk about a fucking scam...

I was speaking idiomatically.

does the new Clone Wars trailer at www.starwars.com count?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So obviously there was no announcement... Gah! (He's getting it for this.) George Lucas is a hack and a slut. (There, I said it.) Why make an "announcement" if there were nothing to show for it? Oh I get it, its a make believe announcement to stir up sensationalism for the purpose of boosting sales in his fledgeling Star Wars empire... He obviously needs more money! What better way to increase sales in his latest Stars Wars themed toilets than make an un-announcement, stirring up the public into a maelstrom of eager Star Wars consumers?

Had he made an announcement, this is what he would've said;

"Hey. I'm George Lucas with a pubic service announcement. I am a commercial whore and you are the stupid consumer that wishes it were ME. I just wanted everyone to know that Star Wars was singularly, MY invention...as was Jesus Christ, the code of Hammurabi and chocolate breastmilk. Its true.

I mean, I am more popular than John Lennon! LOLZ. My time is important, and yours is obviously not, so listen up feeble humans!

I am coming out with a new line of Star Wars toilets which is meant to supplement my recent directorial efforts, the brilliant Star Wars Episodes I-III. Its just like any other toilet, except that it talks to you while you sit on the john! It says things such as "George Lucas is God" in 13 different languages. (including botchee.) Not surprisingly, this is the exact toilet I sat on while writing the script for the last 3 Star War's movies.

You WILL be buying this toilet, because you have no other choice. I made the prequels utterly indigestable. Don't like it? Buy the brand new Stars Wars suppositories. Don't forget that I could have you secretly killed by Chewbacca. Deal with it!

Bleh! I'm George Lucas! (The be all end all commercial whore.) And you are, the unwitting consumer."

Originally Posted by Thracozaag

Maybe he'll announce that he's doing a prequel to Howard the Duck.

koji

One could only hope.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by RainMan

Why make an "announcement" if there were nothing to show for it?

He didn't. A journalist misinterpreted material from the convention.

Stop being a jamrag.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by LeHah

He didn't. A journalist misinterpreted material from the convention.

Stop being a jamrag.

Good work taking my post without a sense of humour. I was obviously extremely serious, and lord knows that this is all very serious business, this being Star Wars and all...

Just because I am not as big a Star Wars nerd as you are, doesn't mean that my commentary on Lucas is any less warranted. Your attempts to be an authority on the matter are fairly comical. When I, or anyone else happens to talk about your good buddy George in a tone that you don't like, you get defensive. What do you care?

Do you really think I should heed your advice and stop being a 'jamrag'? Take your own advice.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I was going to watch the History channel special on SW last night, then realized I'd rather have a hot poker jammed in my eye than listen to any sort of pontification over EPS. 1-3.

koji

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Lucas is God! There are none superior. Even the worst of what he produces becomes legend.

Like any deity he has followers and those who would denounce him. As proof: with even the mere hint that he had something to say created a 3 page thread where all of us from both groups have come as one to share our thoughts.

Such is the power of Lucas.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Good work taking my post without a sense of humour.

Good work making a bad post with no humor in it. If you want something to be funny, you shouldn't open your discussions with matter-of-fact statements. Thats like reading a physics book aloud and then giving us a punchline.

Add to that I didn't even see a punchline and you have all the workings of a bad post.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I was obviously extremely serious, and lord knows that this is all very serious business, this being Star Wars and all...

Glad to see your empty snide remarks are still handy. You certainly earn your keep in Douchebag 101 class.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Just because I am not as big a Star Wars nerd as you are, doesn't mean that my commentary on Lucas is any less warranted.

While thats neither here nor there, your point here is monumentally stupid for several reasons...

1.) The fact that I know more about the subject than you should denote that I have a more informed (educated, though I loathe to use that term when talking about something like this), factually based understanding of the topic. That is - Since I do know more, you know less and hence your opinion is of a lower tier than my own.

Similarly, I'm sure there are fans out there that would be able to tell me all sorts of crazy things I do not know about Star Wars. (As a general thing, those people are scary and should be approached with nothing less than a fireteam of Stormtroopers)

2.) Having an opinion on a topic does not make you bulletproof. If anything, an opinion is the singular thing above all else that SHOULD be attacked/questioned/made an example of. If your opinion was that people should lick the ground at 3 pm every day, that is your opinion - but having one does not make you intelligent.

As Harlan Ellison said, "Everyone has the right to an informed opinion."

3.) The internet is full of idiots. These idiots are the same people who scream conspiracy about Babylon 5 spinoffs being canned, Enterprise not being Star Trek enough or Firefly/Battlestar Galactica/Jericho being intelligent and/or important.

Similarly, people piss and moan about the Star Wars prequels. Nevermind that the narative in The Phantom Menace is the strongest of the three prequels - Jar Jar is in it the most! It must be terrible!

All the same people complain about the same tepid shit about the prequels. None of them bother looking at the little details in the movies - the Jedi live in an Ivory Tower (nudge nudge), The Jedi use cult indoctrinations to assimilate children (hint hint), Yoda may have perpetually lied to maintain his status on the council as his "Fear leads to anger..." is in opposition to "Trust your feelings", (wink wink).

Closer examination in the prequels gives the audience a bevy of interesting nuances, especially with The Phantom Menace - everything is bright and happy, even slaves! (They're clean and well fed and generally happy with their lifestyle.)

So shove your internet cynicism. Those of us with a functioning intelligence don't take to your baseless idology simply because you have them.

Originally Posted by RainMan

When I, or anyone else happens to talk about your good buddy George in a tone that you don't like, you get defensive. What do you care?

Because as an intelligent human being, I consider all forms of stupidity as a personal afront. Is it too much to ask that you chew on an idea before speaking it? As Martin Fraquhar Tupper said - "Well timed silence hath more eloquence than speech."

Originally Posted by RainMan

Do you really think I should heed your advice and stop being a 'jamrag'? Take your own advice.

1.) Thats a terrible closing statement.

2.) Since you put quotes around the word jamrag, Ill tell you that its the british slang for a (used) tampon. Just so you know for future reference and so you don't have to quote it and look like an unknowing jerk.

3.) You should heed my advice because not only have I proven you wrong but I've bolstered my arguement past your apparent facilities. If you care to continue this, you're welcome to but as I see it, you have nothing to add but empty negativity.

Go back to chasing monsters up hills with your pitchfork and torches.

How ya doing, buddy?

You're a second rate troll. Nothing more. The fact that you say that you are intelligent means very little to me and likely anyone else who realizes it doesn't take much to feign half a brain over the internet. You are far from impressive.

The fact still remains that George Lucas has lost his step since the original trilogy. Sorry. What you seem to having trouble realizing is that I was half joking in my initial post. Un-announcement or no, I appreciate the guy a lot for his sense of vision but I still think he's a douche. I guess birds of a feather flock together. Defend him all you want, I simply don't care.

Anyways, I'm done talking with you. You are now ignored, Troll.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Anyways, I'm done talking with you. You are now ignored, Troll.

So - you're insulted that I have made several points... and then you ignore everything I wrote, even though you apparently have an "opinion". Clever.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Well as much as I disagree with LeHah about the validity of the prequels (though I share his belief that Phantom has the strongest narrative), Rain you really did bitch out on this. LeHah raises some very valid points, none of which you bothered to take the time to comment on.

Still hate George Lucas' modern works, but seriously, the fact that they are so flawed gives you an endless supply of things to toss in his direction other than just calling him a troll and storming off.

FELIPE NO

1)I have made a choice not to let this thread turn into a flame war, at least on my account. It is clear that Lehah has hemorrhoids and I am not interested in finding out how much he knows about Star Wars. I simply don't care. Since you seem to take so much interest in such, you'll be the first to know if this changes.

2)I don't come on the internet to argue about Star Wars. I already spent way too much time in this thread with these last few replies.

3)I am well aware of what a jamrag is. Lehah makes a number of assumptions, none of which I care to either prove or disprove as I have much better things to do with my time. I told him I was joking, and he still can't figure it out. Assume of me and him, what you will.

4)Lehah, you win the "argument". You are indeed the axiom of Star Wars. Congratulations, armchair warrior.

Originally Posted by LeHah

So -... and then you ignore everything I wrote

Indeed I did. I must say its the smartest move I've made all day.

Go flex your Star Wars muscles elsewhere. I don't care.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by RainMan

Lehah makes a number of assumptions, none of which I care to either prove or disprove as I have much better things to do with my time.

For someone who demands to inform us that they have better things to do, you sure do come back often to tell us that.

I also enjoy the fact that you spend your time when you have better things to do making posts that completely ignore all the specific points I made in my posts. Not only did you create the topic drift - not only do you refuse to acknowledge that - but you perpetuate its state by not answering my post at all.

Congrats - you're the asshole troll you attempted to peg me as. The reason this thread exists in this state is your inability to reply to me, except in the form of empty dismissives. How about you actually STOP POSTING instead of telling us you're going to stop posting?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Alright then. I completed what was keeping me pre-occupied. I have a bit of time.

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Good work making a bad post with no humor in it.

Thats arguable. I don't think I need to explain myself to you, but I'll humour myself for a bit.

At the very least, I was amused and thats all that needs to be said about it. However, this was simply an idea you used in order to rush to the offensive. I can envision you in your room, stroking your lightsaber as you defend George Lucas from "undeserved criticism". Nevermind that. You probably thought my initial comments were a potshot aimed at you, in which case you are wrong.
I am sorry you can't tell the difference between a joke and what is not a joke. Regardless, I don't know you, nor give 2 shits about you in any way, shape or form.

Had you shown any courtesy, at any point in time, I would've been willing to at least be civil in discussion. But you ARE a troll. I know very well what a 'jamrag' is. Nice job trying to be clever. (At least you were impressed.)

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If you want something to be funny, you shouldn't open your discussions with matter-of-fact statements. Thats like reading a physics book aloud and then giving us a punchline.

My bad. I wasn't aware of the fact that all comedy has to be deemed funny by you in order to be substantial or valid. You tard.

First of all, where the hell do you get off telling someone else how to tell a joke? As if there were some right or wrong way to go about doing it. The fact that you don't find my comments funny isn't at all surprising, being the humorless, George Lucas sphincter licker that you are. FYI, a joke doesn't need to fulfill any criteria in order to be funny. Humour, like opinions, is highly variable and comes in a variety of shapes and forms. This is idea is fairly simple, yet you have already displayed a predilection for not understanding it in the least. surprise, surprise (Yes, more sarcasm aimed at your lack of understanding, since you seem to enjoy it so much)

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Add to that I didn't even see a punchline and you have all the workings of a bad post.

Lets see. How else can I put this...I don't care if you laughed at the joke or not. I don't require your approval.

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1.) The fact that I know more about the subject than you should

Yea, I am sure a lot of trivial Star War's knowledge goes a long way in your make believe world, but try asking anyone if they care. Whats more is that you hold this distinction with unabashed pride, that your numerous amounts of silly facts somehow make you a better human being because of it...
Sorry to disappoint you.

However, there is nothing objective about an opinion and your "valuable" knowledge doesn't make your opinion any more important than even the slimiest plankton on the planet.

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Similarly, I'm sure there are fans out there that would be able to tell me all sorts of crazy things I do not know about Star Wars. (As a general thing, those people are scary and should be approached with nothing less than a fireteam of Stormtroopers)

Nice disclaimer.

Now here's the kicker. You claim to know the sum of my knowledge and claim that your thoughts are therefore more valid than mine...

Tell me this. What from ANYTHING that I've posted in this thread has allowed you to witness the sum of this knowledge and come to a conclusion? Erm?

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2.) Having an opinion on a topic does not make you bulletproof. If anything, an opinion is the singular thing above all else that SHOULD be attacked/questioned/made an example of. If your opinion was that people should lick the ground at 3 pm every day, that is your opinion - but having one does not make you intelligent.

I never made the claim that any of my comments were intended to be intelligent. Then again, you have a tendency to presume a great deal beyond your capacity, don't you?

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As Harlan Ellison said, "Everyone has the right to an informed opinion."

Spare me.

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3.) The internet is full of idiots. These idiots are the same people who scream conspiracy about Babylon 5 spinoffs being canned, Enterprise not being Star Trek enough or Firefly/Battlestar Galactica/Jericho being intelligent and/or important.

You haven't really refuted this theory...is there a point to this sad, pathetic attempt at explaining your crotchety antics?

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Similarly, people piss and moan about the Star Wars prequels. Nevermind that the narative in The Phantom Menace is the strongest of the three prequels - Jar Jar is in it the most! It must be terrible!

No, you fool. You again presume to lump me together with the object of your explicit scorn. I will let you know that Phantom Menace is by far the strongest addition to that lacklustre series that you preach so highly of. That speaks nothing of how absolutely shitty the other 2 submissions are and as it were, it certainly isn't enough to keep the greater whole of the series from being vastly infantile in comparison to the first Star Wars trilogy.

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All the same people complain about the same tepid shit about the prequels. None of them bother looking at the little details in the movies -

Its only tepid shit because you don't happen to agree with it. The idea that your "knowledge" somehow makes your opinion vastly superior, is again, laughable.

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the Jedi live in an Ivory Tower (nudge nudge), The Jedi use cult indoctrinations to assimilate children (hint hint), Yoda may have perpetually lied to maintain his status on the council as his "Fear leads to anger..." is in opposition to "Trust your feelings", (wink wink).

..."OOh's and Ahh's"...? Is that what you want? I thought it was subtextual garbage. If you are insinuating that these factors keep the validity of Star Wars philosophical premise, at groundbreaking highs, then you are obviously fairly easy to amuse. I am glad it blew you away, but I can't be bothered to care.

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Closer examination in the prequels gives the audience a bevy of interesting nuances, especially with The Phantom Menace - everything is bright and happy, even slaves! (They're clean and well fed and generally happy with their lifestyle.)

Interesting to whom? Oh yea, you. Which basically is enough to say that every opinion that disagrees with your own is doomed to failure. I don't have any idea how you live on a day to day basis, but given your amorous feedback in this thread, it gives me shudders to consider.

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So shove your internet cynicism. Those of us with a functioning intelligence don't take to your baseless idology simply because you have them.

idology? No. It again, was a joke. I never claimed that anyone had to take my comments to heart. This is the difference between you and I. A joke that you neither understand nor have any predilection for laughing at, is not my problem. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by RainMan

I don't think I need to explain myself to you

Bullshit. The whole reason this thread took the turn it did was because you opened your mouth and in an unintelligent way. If you're going to flap your gums about any subject - and rudely, I might add - don't cry foul when someone else calls you out on your bad behavior.

Originally Posted by RainMan

At the very least, I was amused and thats all that needs to be said about it.

Thats a great peice of reasoning for a seven year old. All it is is a generic, narcicistic response. "I don't care what it meant, what I said amuses me!"

Isn't that one of the defining definitions of what you tried to attribute to me?

Originally Posted by RainMan

However, this was simply an idea you used in order to rush to the offensive. I can envision you in your room, stroking your lightsaber as you defend George Lucas from "undeserved criticism".

You're welcome to criticize the man all you want. It just happens that

1.) Yours was idiotic
2.) Yours was uninformed
3.) Yours was nothing more than a rehash of what anonymous dullards on the internet have wanted to agree on since 1999, in an attempt to make each other feel better.

If you had wanted to make an example of why the prequels don't fit the "Joesph Campbell" blueprints or how the sound mixes were terrible or any number of valid, intelligent, informed thoughts - we would not be here.

Instead, you "amused" yourself with simply having an opinion and nothing else.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I am sorry you can't tell the difference between a joke and what is not a joke.

I have an excellent sense of humor. Ask most anyone on the board, outside of Elixir. Its so well honed in fact, that I can tell you that your post just wasn't funny.

In your defense though, the internet has an absolutely terrible sense of humor, so if you were attempting to reel in people using that type of humor, I'm sorry for you.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Regardless, I don't know you, nor give 2 shits about you in any way, shape or form.

You've said this before. You've made posts saying you had better things to do before. Yet you come back time and time again - even after you said I "won"! - to prove yourself nothing more than a petulant child, unable to let anything go. Did you not see the out I gave you? Or did you just have to keep spreading the shit around to satisfy some base need to make a fool of yourself?

Originally Posted by RainMan

Had you shown any courtesy, at any point in time, I would've been willing to at least be civil in discussion.

Civility? On the internet?!

In all honesty though, respect is earned and not given. Your opening statement was terrible, had you dialed back and changed/corrected/explained yourself earlier, perhaps things would be different.

On the other hand perhaps you are not able to change/correct/explain yourself, and if thats the case, I again give you the option to just plain stop posting.

Originally Posted by RainMan

But you ARE a troll. I know very well what a 'jamrag' is. Nice job trying to be clever.

This coming from the person perpetuating their stupidity as general intelligence because its their "opinion".

Originally Posted by RainMan

My bad. I wasn't aware of the fact that all comedy has to be deemed funny by you in order to be substantial or valid. You tard.

I enjoy the fact that you call me a "tard" (please, spell out whole words next time. You're giving me a headache), yet I'm the troll. Mmm. Very good reasoning there.

As for the fact that your post was not funny - it wasn't. What you're doing now amounts to a stand-up comedian yelling back at his audience when he's not being funny. Its not my fault you weren't funny, I'm just telling you it as a fact.

Originally Posted by RainMan

First of all, where the hell do you get off telling someone else how to tell a joke?

The fact that there was no joke kind of leaves me confused about this question.

Originally Posted by RainMan

As if there were some right or wrong way to go about doing it.

There is though. When a joke isn't funny - its being done wrong! When a joke is funny - its being done right!

See the difference there?

Originally Posted by RainMan

The fact that you don't find my comments funny isn't at all surprising, being the humorless, George Lucas sphincter licker that you are.

Now you're just jumping around a lot...

Originally Posted by RainMan

FYI, a joke doesn't need to fulfill any criteria in order to be funny.

That has to be the stupidest thing said on the internet this side of 4chan.

"Humor doesn't have criteria!" is about as false a statement as "The sun doesn't have to be hot!"

Originally Posted by RainMan

Humour, like opinions, is highly variable and comes in a variety of shapes and forms.

No. No no no. Stop that.

Humor is a very specific thing. Even when someone may not find something funny - they can still see there is a punchline. They may not find the joke funny, but they know when to shake their head at it.

Opinion is a very general thing. You can have a million opinions on a zillion topics - and none of them can be valid. Just look at that "I'm Definitely Manga Canon" thread in The Sewers. These people have the opinion that their spiritual successors are anime characters.

Just because there are options in humor and opinion does not mean all are valid or intelligent.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Lets see. How else can I put this...I don't care if you laughed at the joke or not. I don't require your approval.

But you do, as I am part of your intended audience. No one else responded to your post either, so what does THAT tell you?

I mean, if you want to come to terms on your original post, it was masturbative. It made you felt good and meant nothing to anyone else. Don't take that as terrible because a lot of internet posts are like that - but thats all it was. It didnt do anyone any good except for yourself.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Yea, I am sure a lot of trivial Star War's knowledge goes a long way in your make believe world, but try asking anyone if they care.

I... don't know where this came from but I'll roll with it.

Had our discussion been about, say, General MacArthur's invasion of Inchon (another subject I know something about) and you made a stupid post about how he should've been removed sooner because he was a loose canon his entire career, I'd still reply to you in this way.

Simply because you have a vauge opinion on a subject doesn't mean you can equate your opinion against that of an acredited person. In this case, I wouldn't dare open my mouth to William Manchester (bless his soul) about Doug MacArthur - and similarly you shouldn't open your mouth about Star Wars when I do know more than you.

Its a simple matter of knowing more and being able to apply it to the conversation. You've added nothing but empty nonsense and when I've pointed this out, you throw in silly dismissives as if they somehow allow you a "Get Out Of Stupid Jail Free" card. It doesn't work that way because what I say sticks - and what you say certainly doesn't.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Sorry to disappoint you.

There is no disappointment on my end, thank you.

Originally Posted by RainMan

However, there is nothing objective about an opinion

Yet... you... admit to having a large ignorance towards the subject we're talking about (at least to the extent that I know) and you keep talking about it? Oh man, you are just arrogant, aren't you? It doesnt matter what words come out, so long as you have something to say...

Originally Posted by RainMan

and your "valuable" knowledge doesn't make your opinion any more important than even the slimiest plankton on the planet.

The knowledge isnt valuable, really - but it is in this thread, since its the subject we're talking about.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Now here's the kicker. You claim to know the sum of my knowledge and claim that your thoughts are therefore more valid than mine...

Tell me this. What from ANYTHING that I've posted in this thread has allowed you to witness the sum of this knowledge and come to a conclusion?

Simple deductive logic. A person who is called out on bullshit but knows something in-depth about any topic is going to defend their point with fact. Your lack of doing this shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I never made the claim that any of my comments were intended to be intelligent.

Then you should not have spoken.

Why would you open your mouth if you have nothing to add? Are you that full of self-important opinion? Does your ego exceed accountable knowledge? I don't think so. Unless you're able to bring something to the perverbial table, stow it.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Then again, you have a tendency to presume a great deal beyond your capacity, don't you?

Persumption has nothing to do with it, as you've only replied to my points after a third party heckled you - and with utterly vapid "this is what *I* think" responses.

Originally Posted by RainMan

You haven't really refuted this theory...is there a point to this sad, pathetic attempt at explaining your crotchety antics?

Yes, honeychild. This is the part of a whole statement. To take this single paragraph out of context with the rest of the statement only shows the fact you're completely unable to put things into context.

Not a surprise, given your whimsical dismissal of the prequels later in your entry.

Originally Posted by RainMan

No, you fool. You again presume to lump me together with the object of your explicit scorn.

You've not garnered anything BUT a lumping in with the internet's worst. The reason I so easily did this is because this is exactly who you are. Notice the complete lack of effort I had in making this point, earlier - and then the angry response I get to it. Striking nerves through common sense is something I'm quiet good at, don't you think?

Originally Posted by RainMan

I will let you know that Phantom Menace is by far the strongest addition to that lacklustre series that you preach so highly of. That speaks nothing of how absolutely shitty the other 2 submissions are and as it were, it certainly isn't enough to keep the greater whole of the series from being vastly infantile in comparison to the first Star Wars trilogy.

A statement as empty as I imagine your head to be. Saying "I don't like it!" across two sentences is just repetitive; not to mention you don't even justify your opinion simply beyond having one to start with.

Okay - so you don't like it. You didn't make me THINK about your post at all, and that is why you fail.

Originally Posted by RainMan

Its only tepid shit because you don't happen to agree with it.

No, its tepid shit because everyone who says that they hate Jar Jar never say WHY. They just agree with each other in some circlejerk to make each other feel validated in their weird, empty thoughts. Jar Jar is as ignorable a character as you're able to find in the prequels, as he has absolutely no (direct) effect on the original trilogy. This is directly opposed to the characterization of Anakin, but my thoughts on that are moot in this discussion at this time.

Originally Posted by RainMan

The idea that your "knowledge" somehow makes your opinion vastly superior, is again, laughable.

Yes, the fact that I know what I'm talking about makes my point invalid, yet somehow you talking out of your ass about nothing to no one about something you say you don't care about but still fill a page with is perfectly right-minded.

I wouldn't call you a troll - but I would call you someone who takes up far too much space to say absolutely nothing.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I thought it was subtextual garbage.

I know your opinion is worthless because you can't make an arguement with it. Strawmen and what have you. You may think the "subtexts" are "garbage" but if you don't justify what you think, no one is ever going to care.

Originally Posted by RainMan

If you are insinuating that these factors keep the validity of Star Wars philosophical premise, at groundbreaking highs, then you are obviously fairly easy to amuse. I am glad it blew you away, but I can't be bothered to care.

I ... didn't insinuate a damn thing because I made very clear, concise points. Disagreeing with them doesn't suddenly make them vapor - they're right there in front of you and everyone else who reads them.

(f you can't be bothered to care - why in the hell are you still typing?)

Originally Posted by RainMan

Interesting to whom? Oh yea, you. Which basically is enough to say that every opinion that disagrees with your own is doomed to failure.

I have no problem with people having opposing intelligent opinions with mine.

Then again, I also don't post in threads where I know nothing about the topic.

You've failed badly on both those counts, it seems.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I don't have any idea how you live on a day to day basis, but given your amorous feedback in this thread, it gives me shudders to consider.

I live quite well, thank you. I do my laundry, I iron my clothes, I go to my job. I do everything a person should do.

On the other hand, you say you're going to leave the thread and don't. When you come back, you say you had something else to do and couldn't be bothered - that is, until someone else pointed out your BS. You then make a long, long post based on absolutely nothing what-so-ever - just a long bunch of responses to my WORDS and not WHAT THEY SAY.

I don't think I've seen this spectacular a failure since those Marine Helicopters crashed during the Carter Administration.

Originally Posted by RainMan

idology? No. It again, was a joke.

And by now, we're all aware of the effectiveness of your sense of humor.

Originally Posted by RainMan

I never claimed that anyone had to take my comments to heart.

Then you should not have spoken.

Originally Posted by RainMan

This is the difference between you and I. A joke that you neither understand nor have any predilection for laughing at, is not my problem. Sorry.

It may not be your problem - but your obvious lack of any type of substance as a poster is the forum's problem, certainly.

Please, think before you type and consider if you even want to respond. There is nothing to be lost in just shutting your yap.

How ya doing, buddy?

Wow, I never got to see LeHah's debative side until now.

Anyway, nice to hear the announcement was...SURPRISE...NO ANNOUNCEMENT!

In truth, I would like to see some of the things that happen with Luke after episode six. Yes, we all know various things from the tapes and books, but seeing it would be nice. However, the chances of that are fairly low.

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I, too, would love to see some sort of adaptation of The New Jedi Order books. I know that the TV Shows are on there way (right?), so at the very least, we have something to look forward to on that front. I'm hoping that Lucas doesn't just leave the series ended there, though. Maybe some form of the Old Republic or even a small, stand-alone film about Shadows of the Empire book and N64 game (one of my personal favorites, if you ever do find it, play it) would be nice, though probably unlikely since it would re-visit the time between Empire and Jedi.

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I wasn't an overly huge fan of the prequel series. LeHah makes a good point about Jar Jar, as he is easily dismissed and ignored. My most major gripes stem from the casting, dialog, and certain areas of the plot, not Jar Jar.

In terms of casting, whomever did it (I don't know who was head of the casting department) had their moments. I liked several casts, notably Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor, and Ian McDiarmid. Unfortunately, Neeson didn't last past the first film, and is too bad they didn't bring him back for at least a cameo in the next in some form of a force spirit.

The bad casting, obviously, amounts to the two people they had played Anakin, Christiansen (sp?) and I believe kid's name was Jack Lloyd or something like that(?). But then, do we blame Christiansen for his lack of acting prowess through the second and third episode, or do we blame the director in equal proportion? The other bad casts were really Natile Portman and Samuel Jackson. Though, to be fair, Jackson did do alright for his short lived screen time, so I suppose I'll retract that. Portman, however, I have never liked. She always has come off as trying too hard and forcing feeling where she really doesn't. It doesn't take that much acting chops to pull off the pathos that she was trying to, but it didn't strike the right nerves for me.

The dialog was where I was the most disappointed and infuriated. Well, bluntly put, things were about as well written and subtle as they were in X3 (Okay, maybe not that bad, but you get the idea). I mean, I wasn't expecting gold or anything like that, but something better than what we got. Lucas tried to force a lot down our throats () in episode two, but it just did felt rushed and forced with the writing. There was little build up, but that also is very attributable to the acting just as well as the writing.

The plot and narrative, however, did have certain areas where it got deep and interesting. Take note what LeHah has already mentioned with the asshole Jedi's, and the fact that Yoda is a prick, who later knowingly sent Luke off to his death in episode 6. The whole abandonment issue with women that Anakin has (I don't remember the technical term) starting with episode two when his mother dies, was pretty well done as long as you can get over his 'behold furrowed brows in anger'. Of course, that flies in the face of obtuse things like Order 66, the lack of ability of the Jedi Order in finding the Sith that, according to them, they couldn't detect. Then again, that is more part of them being a bunch of arrogant dicks in their ivory tower, thinking themselves omnipotent, or am I completely wrong?

Anyway, just my two cents. I don't get to discuss this much outside of my 3 friends who are pretty into the Star Wars mythos.

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I like the Timothy Zahn series (featuring Admiral Thrawn and Joruus C'baoth), a great deal, but of course, it'd be pretty much impossible to translate those to screen.

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Originally Posted by BucPride

I wasn't an overly huge fan of the prequel series. LeHah makes a good point about Jar Jar, as he is easily dismissed and ignored. My most major gripes stem from the casting, dialog, and certain areas of the plot, not Jar Jar.

The prequels are certainly the weaker of the two trilogies - but don't let the weight of other people's ignorance weigh down your thoughts on them. Generally, if a hundred people say something is terrible - you should investigate yourself before agreeing with anything.

Originally Posted by BucPride

Unfortunately, Neeson didn't last past the first film, and is too bad they didn't bring him back for at least a cameo in the next in some form of a force spirit.

One of the strangest things is that Qui-Gon's spirit is in the offical screenplay book. His scene was suppose to be between where Yoda awakens from meditation and Bail Organa walks into the room at the end of Episode III. Not only that - but Qui-Gon mentions the Whills! (Something that was mentioned in the earliest drafts of the original trilogy). Hayden did much better in Episode III.

Originally Posted by BucPride

The bad casting, obviously, amounts to the two people they had played Anakin, Christiansen (sp?) and I believe kid's name was Jack Lloyd or something like that(?).

I didn't like Hayden Christianson for Episode II. I don't think he's a bad actor (go see the movie Shattered Glass, he's quite good in it) but I think that it takes a certain actor to deliver what George Lucas wants. I'm not talking verbally either, but also in terms of physical acting (which the three actors you mentioned hit the nail on the head)

Jake Lloyd is a different, trickier matter. He was, what, 8 when he made the movie? I can't blame him for not being good (because he's not) but I *can* blame Lucas and the casting director for hiring him - especially considering one of the finalists was a young actor named Haley Joel Osment.

(Personally, I find the worst offender to be Natalie Portman. On one level, she's suppose to have been a proven actress by this point - but she delivers dialouge with all the enthusiasm as someone reading the ingredients off a hot dog package. It eventually culminated in her really, really bad choking scene at the end of Episode III. Her dialouge is read as stilted and almost sarcastic, as if she speaks the english language but doesn't know what she's saying, like a first year Spanish student in high school.)

Originally Posted by BucPride

Though, to be fair, Jackson did do alright for his short lived screen time, so I suppose I'll retract that.

The big problem with playing a Jedi or a character like that is you have to play the character completely straight. Even Yoda, who has a humorous edge to him, has to be played completely straight - or you end up with someone whos just unbelievable.

Jackson did well with what he had. Obviously, he had more to run with in Episode III, so there was more to "look at". I was pleased with his final scene but not so much his fate as it was a little too ambiguous. (My friend next to me whispered "REDUCE INJURY!" right before Windu went out the window - a nod to the old WEG Star Wars RPG)

Originally Posted by BucPride

The dialog was where I was the most disappointed and infuriated. Well, bluntly put, things were about as well written and subtle as they were in X3

The thing I don't get is that the quality of writing in the prequels is about the same level as the original Star Wars (and a lot of ROTJ). I'm not sure why people continue to hound it. Lucas is obviously not Alvin Sergent or Paddy Chayefsky - but anyone who expects that is not in his right mind anyway.

The X3 compairison is pretty apt, actually. The difference is that I hope to never, ever see X3 again - while I just watched Phantom Menace for the first time in years last weekend.

Originally Posted by BucPride

The whole abandonment issue with women that Anakin has (I don't remember the technical term) starting with episode two when his mother dies, was pretty well done as long as you can get over his 'behold furrowed brows in anger'.

He does have an abandonment issue - but you're actually thinking of an Oedipus Complex, which Anakin has in spades. He's unable to hold a healthy relationship with a woman due to his seperation from his mother at such a young age. He flips his shit when his mother dies - and then does it to Padme when she is about to be a mother herself. Cyclic and all that nonsense.

Originally Posted by BucPride

Of course, that flies in the face of obtuse things like Order 66, the lack of ability of the Jedi Order in finding the Sith that, according to them, they couldn't detect.

Something that was beautifully noted in Phantom Menace and later screwed with in AotC was that the Jedi were so blatantly ignorant of the galaxy around them. Here they are - peace keepers of the universe - but Qui-Gon refuses to free slaves on Tattooine? That there are slums and drug pushers on Coruscant? How are these people the righteous and benevolent judges of the Republic.

This was later changed to "We're losing sensitivity to the Force" ...and that was that. Nothing was explained except an impression that something was blocking them. What the heck was that about?

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Originally Posted by LeHah

The prequels are certainly the weaker of the two trilogies - but don't let the weight of other people's ignorance weigh down your thoughts on them. Generally, if a hundred people say something is terrible - you should investigate yourself before agreeing with anything.

I don't think the prequels horrible, but I see them more as mediocre or slightly above that. I certainly don't believe that they're complete dogshit as some would suggest since they do bring a decent amount to the table in terms of undertones in the narrative. At first, I really didn't like them, especially the Phantom Menace, but I have since warmed up to it and grown to enjoy it.

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Hayden did much better in Episode III.

I don't think there is much dispute there generally (then again, I don't roam around the internet that much, so I wouldn't really know who disputes what here). In RotS, he came about and delivered very well at the end when he is confronted by Obi-Wan. I just don't think I'll ever get over the "Nooooooooooooooo!" at the very end (though that wasn't Hayden).

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I didn't like Hayden Christianson for Episode II. I'm not talking verbally either, but also in terms of physical acting (which the three actors you mentioned hit the nail on the head)

(I think I'll have to see the Shattered Glass sometime then -- the only time I have been exposed to Christianson was the prequels.)

Hayden and Portman really didn't seem to have the proper chemistry together during their love sequences in episode two. That, and I just never got around to liking Hayden until about midway through the RotS, right around when he becomes Vader.

I loved Ian McDiarmond, especially in episode 3. I didn't like it when he went from foreboding old man to emperor. I had kind of grown to like the grandfather figure he played.

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I *can* blame Lucas and the casting director for hiring him - especially considering one of the finalists was a young actor named Haley Joel Osment.

I had heard that, but I thought it was only rumor and hearsay. I think I would have really been much more on board with the prequels to begin with if it was the boy who could see dead people (and out act Bruce Willis). But, its not a perfect world I guess. However, I still couldn't stand Jake Lloyd. But, we move on.

Portman was horrid, you'll get no argument there. I remember a few people laughing at the midnight release of Episode 3 when she said "Is this how democracy ends? With thunderous applause?" or something to that affect. She is just bad, and it brings about the 'what-ifs' when we think who could have played Padme.

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Jackson did well with what he had. Obviously, he had more to run with in Episode III, so there was more to "look at". I was pleased with his final scene but not so much his fate as it was a little too ambiguous.

I was really on the fence with Jackson getting hired on as a Jedi. I thought he was alright for the time he had, definitely not as bad as the people who detract the films, but on the same token, nowhere near as good as the people who give these films un-ending praise.

Death from falling is just stupid for a Jedi of his power and magnitude. But, we can pick any movie apart. Even then, the emperor dies from a great fall in episode 6, though it could be contested that he did fall into what looked to be a reactor or something (I don't remember, I never paid much attention to what he was tossed into).

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The thing I don't get is that the quality of writing in the prequels is about the same level as the original Star Wars (and a lot of ROTJ). I'm not sure why people continue to hound it. Lucas is obviously not Alvin Sergent or Paddy Chayefsky - but anyone who expects that is not in his right mind anyway.

Well, for me, I forgive a lot of the writing holes in the original trilogy due to the fact that I fell in love with the characters. Though I know that shouldn't be, but its not usual for me to just look the other way unless there is some really redeeming quality about it. In this instance, Han Solo, Luke, and Darth Vader made me forget how certain things had taken a turn into a wall.

Also, ROTJ, was my least favorite in retrospect (out of the OT). Bad pacing, plot holes, but the action sequences at the end were fantastic. It is part of what I find to be problematic throughout the prequels. Like most, Empire was my favorite, with Hope not too far behind.

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The X3 compairison is pretty apt, actually. The difference is that I hope to never, ever see X3 again - while I just watched Phantom Menace for the first time in years last weekend.

Most X-men fans don't ever want to see X3 again. I can't begin to mention how it disappointed me, both as a movie-goer and as a fan of the mythology. But that discussion is for another thread and another time entirely.

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He does have an abandonment issue - but you're actually thinking of an Oedipus Complex, which Anakin has in spades.

Thank you, I was wondering what the actual diagnosis was called.

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Something that was beautifully noted in Phantom Menace and later screwed with in AotC was that the Jedi were so blatantly ignorant of the galaxy around them. Here they are - peace keepers of the universe - but Qui-Gon refuses to free slaves on Tattooine? That there are slums and drug pushers on Coruscant? How are these people the righteous and benevolent judges of the Republic.

Good question.

The Jedi in the prequels are truly a bunch of arrogant dicks with some degree of a god-complex. Either they are apathetic to the lesser, poorer people, or they just don't care altogether unless it directly affect their own well-being. Which then changes them from the benevolent rulers that they purport to be, but rather the malicious, egoistic rulers that they are.

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This was later changed to "We're losing sensitivity to the Force" ...and that was that. Nothing was explained except an impression that something was blocking them. What the heck was that about?

The failure to elaborate on more significant things such as their loss in force sensitivity (or as I stated, Order 66 -- or whatever number it was) leaves me with a puzzled experience. There is definitely material there to bring about some important plot twists, but its brushed aside and never addressed.

The Jedi seem lazy, when they fully know they have lost their sight of the Sith, they don't bother putting someone on the job at least trying to un-cover the dark presence around them. Its just stumbled upon when Anakin tells Mace Windu about it. Of course by the time Mace flies out the window, it doesn't matter since the next move is to exterminate all the Jedi.

I suppose they got what they deserved in the end, to a point.

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I didn't like Hayden Christianson for Episode II. I don't think he's a bad actor (go see the movie Shattered Glass, he's quite good in it) but I think that it takes a certain actor to deliver what George Lucas wants. I'm not talking verbally either, but also in terms of physical acting (which the three actors you mentioned hit the nail on the head)

I don't get the idea that George Lucas directs the actors enough during the scene work. I watched a documentary on the original trilogy and there were many instances where Lucas basically just shouts "Action!" and expects the cast members to read his mind, the dialogue and the main gist of the scene exactly as he intends. There was quite a bit of bitching about this from cast members, because of this.

While he seemed to do well enough in the original trilogy, this is actually one of my real gripes about George Lucas directing of episodes I-III. He had phenomenal acting talent and seemed to have squandered a fair part of it.

The original actors in the original Star Wars were young, unrealized and overall hungry! They were really into their roles and they had a lot of fun becoming and developing their characters realistically. Its so easy to value the original Star Wars due to the fact that these relationships were so well developed. I think that is the main difference between the 2 sequels and a large reason why the second trilogy doesn't work for me. The way the characters approach each other simply seems unnatural. (Especially the romance between Anakin and Padme, BARF!)

The relationships of the characters seems very cold and forced. This is particularly terrible due to the fact that the love story is supposed to be a large part of the storytelling. Since the sincerity of these types of relationships sell a rather large chunk of the 'human matter' in storytelling, good chemistry and direction likely means the difference between a decent movie that inhibits a positive and natural human emotional response, and one that reaches for the stars...and takes us with them.

I believe that indifference and failure best describe the relationship between cast members in I-III. The amount of acting "talent" in I-III dwarfs the original. Therefore it seems to me that George Lucas can be blamed for not giving his actors the resources they need to create a believable relationship.

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From the outside looking in, Hayden Christensen would apparently be a good role for Anakin based upon his ability to do well in the 'anxious, troubled teenager' role. (Case in point, role of Sam in 'Life as House') However, it seems that he, like Natalie Portman, overacted in a majority of scenes. However, the role of a directors is to work with the strengths of the actors and tailor them minutely to the character being portrayed. If the documentary was an indication of how Lucas approaches each scene, these acting failures will be attributed to George Lucas direction...or lack thereof.

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(Personally, I find the worst offender to be Natalie Portman. On one level, she's suppose to have been a proven actress by this point - but she delivers dialouge with all the enthusiasm as someone reading the ingredients off a hot dog package. It eventually culminated in her really, really bad choking scene at the end of Episode III. Her dialouge is read as stilted and almost sarcastic, as if she speaks the english language but doesn't know what she's saying, like a first year Spanish student in high school.)

I completely agree with you that Padme is a bore. Her conversation skills are clearly infantile but then again, so is the dialogue. Portman didn't have much to work with.

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Jake Lloyd is a different, trickier matter. He was, what, 8 when he made the movie? I can't blame him for not being good (because he's not) but I *can* blame Lucas and the casting director for hiring him - especially considering one of the finalists was a young actor named Haley Joel Osment.

I agree that Jake Lloyd is rather blank and vacuous...but Haley Joel Osment? That kid scares the shit out of me. He would've been perfect for that role, now that I think about it. I believe it was considered that he was too old at the time of the movie.

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The thing I don't get is that the quality of writing in the prequels is about the same level as the original Star Wars (and a lot of ROTJ). I'm not sure why people continue to hound it. Lucas is obviously not Alvin Sergent or Paddy Chayefsky - but anyone who expects that is not in his right mind anyway.

Which writing are you referring to? Are you referring to the storyline, the dialogue, the characters?

I think there is a rather obvious reason why Lucas originally skipped episodes I-III before making Star Wars: A New Hope and the sequels that followed it. The bread and butter of Star Wars lies in the original trilogy. Lucas himself has said that the writing of the original trilogy was far superior to the recent episodes. Since he wasn't sure whether or not he would get another shot at directing a film of this scope, he made the wise choice of picking the stronger of the two. The choice served him well.

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This was later changed to "We're losing sensitivity to the Force" ...and that was that. Nothing was explained except an impression that something was blocking them. What the heck was that about?

Meh. One of the other reasons I dislike George Lucas is due to the fact that he forfeited the intent behind the originals and all of the magic that made them to try to save save the vast plothole discrepancies of episodes I-III.

I felt teabagged after witnessing episodes I-III.

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I felt teabagged after witnessing episodes I-III.

People who don't do as they say and don't reply to posts directed at them are not welcome in this thread.

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Its fine for us to to harp on each other's posting technique and knowleddge/lack of knowledge and weighted sense of opinion earlier. I've moved on and feel no need to continue to weigh down this thread with senseless bickering over who is right or wrong.

However, I actually make an effort to bring the real discussion, Star Wars, to the forefront and now you'll have no part of it. This is just another way of you admitting that your argument wasn't all that strong to begin with.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.