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 Member 456 Level 19.69 Mar 2006 
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And what are you going to do? Tell people and use brute force to tell people, ROFL HEY THERE IS A LOLICANE(Hurricane), COMING 4 JOO. YOU BETTER MOVE OUT BEFORE YOU GET SMITED UPON THE GROUND! You can't just go about and force people from thier homes. That would be the only -way- to prevent such troubles that happened. The Gov't did acted on the situation, might not be as best as some would have expected but they did act as Lord Styphon said.
Oh and anther thing, you can't just 'relocate' resources at will without harming others as well.
Oh, and by the way, what is more criminal? Perjury or someone acting on what the CIA tell you? To some people, perjurt is a serious offense and that is why he was. Bush hasn't committed any 'high' crimes. Oh and anther thing, the Senate could easily stop the war in Iraq.(Even though there was no declariation of war. And only Senate can declare war.) The Senate coudl just say, hey you have no right to use those troops anymore and you must return them. Even though the president can use the troops for so long, he must return to them to get an extension. To me, it isn't just Bush's fault, the whole Gov't is at fault.
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Member 27 Level 61.14 Mar 2006
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And what failures? What about the failures of deliberately only stocking "loyal bushies" (thanks for the quote, Mr. Rove) into the supreme court and forcing out people who were qualified because they were moderate? How about chasing out civil servants who didn't agree with him? Did Bush personally do it? Nope. But you want to tell me Karl Rove didn't tell him about it? What failures? How about being the single most hated Commander in Chief since Nixon? How about making the entire outside world hate you? The man takes bad advice from the good old boys rather than good advice from people qualified to give it. Just ask all the 20 something uber-republican, pro-Bush, non-arab speaking kids Bush sent in to nation build rather than a qualified, more mature group. Impeachment is stupid. It's just as stupid as when they impeached Clinton. It's his last term. Let him run it out and bury himself. But to say he hasn't done anything is fucking clown shoes. Most amazing jew boots  John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Member 668 Level 20.50 Mar 2006
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
Member 27 Level 61.14 Mar 2006
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Oh, U.S. Attorneys. Sorry, NP. Canadian, not used to your judicial system. And it's a failure because it makes him look like an idiot to anyone not in his paltry 36%. Team Texas has been thoroughly bounced, and his decisions have cost him Rumsfeld, Powell and probably Gonzalez. That's a failure. When your team implodes like that, that's what we call it.
What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
 Member 7 Level 44.22 Feb 2006
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FELIPE NO |
Member 668 Level 20.50 Mar 2006
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How ya doing, buddy? |
Member 18 Level 51.14 Feb 2006
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I'm pretty sure, though, that the president require's congress's approval before going to war. If there was a war that congress could have stopped it isn't a failure of Bush's. Jam it back in, in the dark. |
Member 27 Level 61.14 Mar 2006
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Brady, when 9/11 happened, Congress didn't know Bush had relied on heinously bad information and ignored the CIA recommendations. He swore up and down there were WMDs and that death was the horizon unless something was done. So now we've heard from the libertarian and the right wing party spokesman. Anyone without an agenda? Oh, RR. Hey. I have no idea what the rules are, but I'd be interested to know if that's true. There's nowhere I can't reach. John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Member 1200 Level 26.94 Mar 2006
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This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
Member 18 Level 51.14 Feb 2006
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Member 27 Level 61.14 Mar 2006
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And 9/11 wasn't directly responsible for the emotional response by congress to approve the war, or anything. The information came out after the US was already in the sand, Brady. 20/20 hindsight, remember?
I was speaking idiomatically. John Mayer just asked me, personally, through an assistant, to sing backup on his new CD. |
Member 18 Level 51.14 Feb 2006
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Nevermind that there was already sufficient cause to believe that Iraq wasn't a threat to national security. It's not as if greenlighting the damn thing was near-unanimous.
Is it really that hard for Congress to insist that they declare war instead of just letting the president invade any country he wants? I guess so, becuase it would mean they'd have to take responsibility for something. Or maybe it's just that peace treaties are too hard? What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Member 668 Level 20.50 Mar 2006
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Bush, on the other hand, removes 8 and it qualifies as corruption? How in the fuck do you get that leap in logic? Most amazing jew boots |
Member 1200 Level 26.94 Mar 2006
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Presidents are allowed to clear out house at the beginning of their terms. But when you're 6 years into your term and these people have been doing a good job and you fire them because they won't go after as many Democrats as you want, THAT is corruption.
Mind you that Bush HIMSELF appointed all 93 in his first term and no one complained. It's THIS instance right NOW that is corruption Also, enough with the "But Clinton" card. Saying "A is bad but B is worse" never makes A an OK person. Not to mention that when Clinton came into office the GOP had been in power for 12 years so ever the conservative strategists acknowledged that he was merely trying to get some people he could work with. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
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 Member 3 Level 50.41 Feb 2006
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Member 456 Level 19.69 Mar 2006
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But then again, what President hasn't done anything that bad. Last I checked the Kennedies(Sp?), had some rather fullfilling relationships in the past with women. But then again that means nothing right now. How ya doing, buddy?
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Member 2219 Level 13.14 Mar 2006
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It's a fact that President Bush was given several documents from both the CIA and foreign intelligences many months beforehand that terrorists were planning to attack the U.S. which Bush ignored. If Bush knew of a threat and failed to act (which there is plenty of evidence to suggest and this is part of what I speak of when I mention the many "failures" of 9/11), then he should be brought down on treason. Nevermind a "lie" as I described in previous posts.
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.  You're staring at me like I just asked you what the fucking square root of something. |
Member 18 Level 51.14 Feb 2006
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Terrorists are always planning on attacking the US. Having a warning of relative danger isn't cause for policy change.
Also, zio, quit with the fucking quote-nukes, for the love of God. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Member 668 Level 20.50 Mar 2006
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Of the hundreds he sees a month, one happened to come to fruition. Hindsight is 20/20, but given the sheer volume of these 'serious threats' that come across his desk, it isn't a reach to see how one slipped by. I was speaking idiomatically. |
Member 903 Level 12.68 Mar 2006
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Wasn't the only war that was approved by Congress since WWII was Afghanistan? Congress never ratified anything to declare war on Iraq, they've only been approving a huge chunk of our tax dollars for Bush to waste.
I think Bush as president as consent to use the military without Congress' technical support. They just keep feeding him money, which essentially means the same thing but what are they supposed to do? Let the troops fight with no weapons? What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Member 1200 Level 26.94 Mar 2006
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We haven't formally declared war since WWII ever. But resolutions authorizing use of forces in Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War I, and the current War were all passed by Congress.
FELIPE NO |
Member 2219 Level 13.14 Mar 2006
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The U.S. has the most sophisticated intelligence and defense on the globe. Terrorist attacks on the magnitude of 9/11 do not "slip by". That's like the idiots referring to Pearl Harbor as a "surprise attack". How the fuck can you not see a 1,000 bombers flying towards you. A radar made from a coat hanger and tin foil would have seen that shit coming. Historians often tell us a document titled: “The God Damn Japs Are Coming” was never able to reach some General guy’s desk and therefore nothing could be done to prepare for the attack. But with all the other bogus WWII reports falling on his desk why should he look at it? What ever else they have in common, Pearl Habor and 9/11 are certainly laden with failures of communication. The damning thing is how easily avoided the attacks were. If a passenger airliner deviates 6 miles from its original flight plan, red lights start flashing and fighter jets are scrambled to intercept and escort it to a new flight path. If the pilot fails to make contact or communicate in anyway the fighters are ordered to destroy the aircraft. This isn’t from the scenes of a James Bond flick. These are standard procedures that were in place for many years before 9/11. On 9/11 there is evidence that someone ordered to “ground” these fighters. If that is the case who has that authority when it was known at this point you have aircraft under the control of hijackers. The hijackers must have watched the film Con Air the previous night and made sure to roll down a window so they could toss out the transponder. The FAA on 9/11 essentially claimed they were “blind” and just had no idea what was going on and where these 4 hijacked aircraft were or where they were headed. No problems with the hundreds of other aircraft flying in U.S. air space at the time however. All those were grounded with meticulous precision all in a very short amount of time. Something you would expect from the FAA after all. But 4 aircraft dodged the radar so to speak. Inconveniently, that being the 4 hijacked aircraft. This is the very first time in aviation history that 4 passenger airliners more or less de-atomized if that’s even a word. There was essentially not a single recognizeable piece of debris recovered. The only piece I recall is a single small turbine recovered from the Pentagon which is dubious at best not to mention suspicious. No wings. No fuselage. No engines. Nothing. You’re the President of the United States. You just learn your country is under attack. What do you do? Something? Or do you continue reading “My Little Pony” with a classroom of children? This is not appropriate behaviour from a Commander in Chief. You cannot form tactical strategies inside a classroom when seemingly you do not even know if you yourself are a target. On 9/11, 3 buildings collapse due to fire. A first in structural engineering. 2 of these buildings collapse, in what was called the “pancake theory”, at same speed as free fall while no explanation was given to account for #7. Educated people refer to this as the post 9/11 laws of physics. Before 9/11 the universe operated under “Newtonian” physics. 9/11 introduced a new law, “Bushism”. 9/11 was a day of misinformation, disinformation, deception, secrets, and lies. Why were so many officials from all these organizations afraid? Suddenly everyone was “mum” on the issue. When Boeing was asked about the turbine recovered from the Pentagon they said nothing, that it was classified. What? Everything which could have provided answers and clues were shrouded as “national security” “classified information”. Someone was afraid. And someone did their best to cover the truth. If one of these failed it could be counted as incompetence. That all of these failed in tandem suggests not incompetence but implicit and indirect involvement. How ya doing, buddy? You're staring at me like I just asked you what the fucking square root of something. |
Member 456 Level 19.69 Mar 2006
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Jackyboy, what if the plan commincations are not working? Are you still going to shoot it down even though possibly it may not know it's off path and etc?
Second, imagine your in a classroom, your a kid. You see the big guy in black suit sya something to the president, and then he HAS to leave. You start to wonder or PANIC cause the President, the cheif commander HAD to leave. It might not be reasonable but take it as this. I work with Residents in assisted living for the elderly. Take it as this. Say you have one that has alzermier or Dementia or some other brain/memory problem. They CONSTANTLY are paranoid, say things out of place, things are stolen and etc, even if they move it or do something. They could be right but out of the 5,000 times they've said it, you just kinda shrug your shoulder at it. Yanno? You can't just take any case and be like, OMG SOME OF THESE ARABS THEY ARE GOING TO ATTACK THE TWO TOWERS! BUILD SAM SITES, LETS MAKE SURE WE SEND THEM TO ALLAH IF THEY TRY TO CRASH THESE PLANES! I bet we'd be in constant alert from how many people 'threaten' the white house or us. Most amazing jew boots
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Member 3 Level 50.41 Feb 2006
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Your first post attacked Bush for being incompetent. For an administration that is supposedly so incompetent and has failed so repeatedly, something like 9/11 would seem to be outside of the range of their capacity to pull off. Yet it would seem that they managed to pull it off perfectly. Where did the competence go since then? There is an even bigger problem, though. For the government to have pulled it all off, as you are suggesting, it would have required the services of a great many people, none of whom have said anything. This is especially interesting considering the straits the administration now finds itself; if someone wanted to drag Bush down, this would be the perfect opportunity. But nothing. If the administration was still practically invincible, this would be one thing. But they aren't. Oh, and another thing.
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 Given the amount of things you've been wrong about, going by the standard you use for President Bush, you're a liar. There's nowhere I can't reach. |
Member 1399 Level 25.03 Mar 2006
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I guess you could argue about who started it, but that is irrelevant at this point. The point is it's escalating, and the "impeach Bush" crowd is only contributing to it. (Who, again, is trying to control the country by fear? The radical left wants people to fear that Bush is controlling America through fear. That kind of "hall of mirrors" approach should make peoples' heads spin if they're keeping their eyes open. Just an example since that is the topic of this thread; I'm sure an example on the other side could be found too.) Reality has already been tossed out the window; the Constitution isn't far behind. Sane people on both sides of the isle should be very concerned about this trend imho. Where people should be looking at objective reality and debating about how to deal with it politically based on their ideology, they are now skipping the objective analysis altogether and creating their own reality from scratch which of course backs up their subjective ideology from the start. We're at the "No gas for 100 miles" sign on that road, but it's not too late to turn back. Most amazing jew boots
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