[PS3] Plan on owning a PS3?

I don't think that Sony will disapoint in the long run. They always seems to be half asleep at their console launch and don't know what's going on around them. On the other hand, based on the last ten years and market trends I'm not all that worried about my investment.

As for thoes JRPGs coming out for the 360, if you look at sale numbers Blue Dragon didn't do much of anything for the system, it managed to increase sales by 3,000 units that week in Japan and then back down 4,000 the next week so for the effort it didn't do much. From what I've seen so far of Lost Odyssey it's not looking good, just a highly rendered PS2 game, they do nothing new in animation, mechanics or anything else that a PS2 game doesn't already do. For the rest, I'm not going to comment on something I don't know, but I'm always up for a good RPG no matter the system.

I still don't think that the Wii is going to interfere with the other two, which is fine. As you put it;

"It will succeed based on new gamers, which is a devious marketing strategy. However, there are people who are simply tired of entire genres of games or never liked some to begin with (FPS and sports come to mind for me) and may look to the Wii as a legitimately different way of playing them."

These people you mentioned are not potential PS3 or 360 buyers and therefore not going to affect their sales. However this was the exact thing that Nintendo was shooting for, the casual and non-gamer markets.

As for that last part in my prior post it wasn't in response to you actually. It's not your fault for thinking it was due to my lazy post structure, it is just something that I wanted to put in there to inform people that bein the "popular" system, doesn't mean as much as it once did. For example the GameCube was by far the least selling system of last gen, but the most profitable one.

EDIT:
This is what I've seen of LO to date: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1694

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Quote:

I don't think that Sony will disapoint in the long run. They always seems to be half asleep at their console launch and don't know what's going on around them. On the other hand, based on the last ten years and market trends I'm not all that worried about my investment.

I agree...I think they will do well in the long run. But then again, people and developers are going to be a lot more picky with a $600 game system than they would a $300 one that also serves a useful purpose (DVD player) or one that was the first viable introduction to 3D games (and $100 cheaper than the Saturn and way cheaper than 3DO), so anything can happen. There may not be a long run if they don't wake up.

Quote:

As for thoes JRPGs coming out for the 360, if you look at sale numbers Blue Dragon didn't do much of anything for the system, it managed to increase sales by 3,000 units that week in Japan and then back down 4,000 the next week so for the effort it didn't do much. From what I've seen so far of Lost Odyssey it's not looking good, just a highly rendered PS2 game, they do nothing new in animation, mechanics or anything else that a PS2 game doesn't already do. For the rest, I'm not going to comment on something I don't know, but I'm always up for a good RPG no matter the system.

Well, it's a start... Best scenarios I read were around the 10,000 range (I think there was a mix-up because they were bundling copies of the game in with the units). It was a losing effort from the start, but at least they're trying...

Quote:

These people you mentioned are not potential PS3 or 360 buyers and therefore not going to affect their sales. However this was the exact thing that Nintendo was shooting for, the casual and non-gamer markets.

But what I said was that I think a lot of hardcore gamers will gravitate towards the Wii as well, ones that find the upcoming 360 and PS3 acts a bit too much of an encore performance or for genres they might not normally care about. In the process, it will syphon off people who may buy the PS3 or 360 if the Wii were not an option, not to mention games sales for both. The competition may be more indirect, but considering the timing of Wii's launch and the aggressiveness of Nintendo's upcoming line-up (and the decision to stick in Zelda as a killer app at launch), I'd say both Microsoft and Sony should view the Wii as a lower cost threat/alternative.

We'll see...

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

But if you're going to count the Wii as a lower cost competator, then you would also have to include the PS2 in that analysis too. At least until the end of the year, by then the PS3 will be $400 - $500 and the big titles like MGS4, DMC4 and FFXIII wil be out or coming out around that time too.

I don't think we need to go on about this much more then we have. We seem to agree on the larger points, as far as that all three should do well and that the market will be pretty split or at least for a good while. Anything beyond that I don't think is something a gamer should have to worry about as long as they're happy with what they've got sitting on top of their TV, no matter the system.

BTW:
Iron Maiden ROCKS!!!!! Makes for the best Gears of War online curb stomp'n tracks go'n.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Slayer X

by then the PS3 will be $400 - $500 and the big titles like MGS4, DMC4 and FFXIII wil be out or coming out around that time too.

Yeah, and I shit apricots.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

yeah I think that we should not expect a price drop for the ps3 before 2008 and even end of 2008... and it will surely not be a 100-200$ price drop...

like said, I think later the ps3 will be fine when all the big name will be release and when there'll be more games.

and yeah for this gen I don't really care who's more popular, I think we have 3 console that aim for some different style of gamer and everyone have what they want now.

FELIPE NO

I agree that after more games come out and the hardware is shown off a bit more that the price tag might make more sense to the consumer.

As for the price drop Sony seems very confident that it will make a price drop this year, but how much is still unknown. My sources are IGN, GameSpot and 1UP.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Considering how much they dropped the price prior to launching the console in Japan, HK and the States, it seems very unlikely that Sony would risk another drop in price this year, seeing how they lost so much since the launch. Granted their PS2 and PSP sales dipped and their AV products managed to stem the loss, however a further price drop could be quite a gamble all the same.

Then again, I guess your sources would know a lot more than I do. I'm just happy I have a PS3 now.




Most amazing jew boots

Originally Posted by hikarub

Considering how much they dropped the price prior to launching the console in Japan, HK and the States, it seems very unlikely that Sony would risk another drop in price this year, seeing how they lost so much since the launch. Granted their PS2 and PSP sales dipped and their AV products managed to stem the loss, however a further price drop could be quite a gamble all the same.

I believe they're replacing the internal PlayStation 2 hardware (or whatever it was) with software emulation, which should make the PlayStation 3 slightly cheaper.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Slayer X

At least until the end of the year, by then the PS3 will be $400 - $500 and the big titles like MGS4, DMC4 and FFXIII wil be out or coming out around that time too.

Dunno about MGS4, but if it does (including the euro release) then i'll get one and the game original ofc.....And pirate the HELL OUT OF the other PS3 games (including FF series, XD)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I will eventually own a PS3 partially because I actually have a nice 1080p set so Blu-Ray will be nice and beyond that because I HAVE to play White Knight Story.

As for price drop, something most people don't think about is this: Even if Sony doesn't drop the MSRP themselves, if the units don't move, you can expect some great sales from the retailers. When a product just sits on the shelf, eventually Circuit City or Wal-mart is going to be having "$100 off and get a game free" type sales and eventually those will be sweet enough to take. Hell, even this past Christmas season with as well as 360 was doing, you could already pick up a system and get a guaranteed free game of your choice at most stores.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I'm only gonna consider getting a PS3 after I see more than just MGS4 and FFXIII. For me, those are the ONLY two games that seem worthwhile. To chuck in $1000 for something I won't touch until then isn't enticing. Not even the blu-ray (which I don't see necessary yet... that or maybe I'm a guy that doesn't ask for much).

If the PS3 can produce a library like the PS2 has then PS3 will be able to pull itself back on track. Speaking of which... I gotta get myself a PS2 and play the games I missed out on...

I was speaking idiomatically.

I Already have a PS3, and i would recommend anyone who is going to get one they're awesome.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It feels a lot like I've been kicked in the teeth on the PS3 issue.

About 2 years ago I bought an HDTV (huge-ass CRT, can only do 1080i) because I was planning on playing HD games with it and, at the time, the PS3's ass-rapingly expensive price hadn't been announced.

Then Sony pulled their shenanigans with the XCP rootkit on their music CDs. Being a geek of principle, this made me seriously reconsider buying a PS3. People have waxed lyrical about different divisions of a company and such things, but as far as I was concerned, Sony was Sony and they had done wrong.

Around the same time were the rumours that PS3 games were non-transferable via some kind of serial-number-based DRM. That didn't pan out, but it was another damper on my willingness to pay money for Sony's new widget.

Finally, I find out the PS3 is going to run me $600. Well fuck that. I'll wait for a price drop. In the meantime, I'll just enjoy whatever HD offerings Nintendo has to provide.

"Revolution will not have HD output." God. Dammit.

Finally PS3 gets released and there are all these problems with it. PS2 pixel-flipping thing, HDCP handshake failing, HDCP even existing in the first place, lack of decent games (I know, I know, launch libraries are always slim pickings), no force feedback in the controller, shitty Wii ripoff tilt detection...the list goes on and on.

Initially I was going to buy a PS3 when the next main installment in the Shin Megami Tensei series came out for it (e.g. not a Persona/DDS/DemiKids/Devil Summoner/Soul Hackers/etc.).

After that, it was the combination of SMT and Silent Hill.

Now I've decided that IF I am to ever own a PS3, I shall not pay in excess of $300 for the high-end version, and it shall be purchased used so as not to fund a company that finds it okay to root people's computers. Sony can go to hell. Do not pass Go, do not collect $500 for base model, $600 for enhanced.

And I'm no MSFT/Ninty apologist either. My PS2 library is well over 50 games and I've logged thousands of hours on the little machine. Sony, however, has crossed too many lines and need to learn some humility.

FELIPE NO

I'll get one when the price drops dramatically and when there are good games for it. So far there are two that look good for me, MGS4 and Lair. I don't give a fuck about HD or whatever because I don't have it right now, and it still won't mask a bad game and in fact will make me feel like I just flushed money down the toilet.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Loofy

I Already have a PS3, and i would recommend anyone who is going to get one they're awesome.

I'm sold! I'm geting PS3 tomorrow!!!

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Scratch and Sniff

Fixed.

I traded that game in already. You're not still playing it are you?

Actually I think I'll consider buying a PS3 if all my other consoles become faulty as well. Or maybe if they plan a sequel to Ring of Red.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by CelticWhisper

Then Sony pulled their shenanigans with the XCP rootkit on their music CDs.

What became of this? It was all rah-rah at one point and I haven't heard anything since.

Most amazing jew boots

They paid out 1.5 mil or thereabouts in discount coupons and everyone pretty much forgot the whole thing ever happened. People don't get nearly pissed off enough these days. I think a few state governments are still pursuing lawsuits against them, but no Sony executives wound up in jail, and no corporate charters were revoked. It's a goddamn shame.

It would've been especially hilarious if major trade sanctions were placed on them just before the PS3 launch. Elliot Spitzer of New York would have pushed for that, methinks.

How ya doing, buddy?

also if I find website to buy new PS3 (20G) with 500$

I was speaking idiomatically.

Elixir: If you're talking about the music catelogue feature that it gets from the net then yes, it is one heck of a feature. Unlike the 360 catelogue where it only works for the original disc, the PS3 will catelogue anything that has an intact ID3 tag, whether you got it from P2P or the actual disc.

Celtic: I don't even know what you're going on about.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The only thing that's putting me off from buying a PS3 when it launches over here is the price. I'm not willing to spend £425 on a console and then fork out another £100 at least for a couple of games.

Plus the only game that I am really excited about on the PS3 is MGS 4. Maybe by the time that's released, the console will have gone down in price. Though I can't really see that happening until early 2008, if we're lucky.

FELIPE NO

I may buy one in about three years...literally. Why? The reasons are as follows:

1) I am not that impressed in what I have seen right now (which is admittingly, not too much). When the FIRST Playstation came out and was out for about a year, I was impressed and that made me want to buy it.
2) The game selection is not that impressive. When I bought a PS2, part of the reason was the game selection had increased after two years to include various RPG's and Pro Wrestling games (the latter which I really enjoy playing...especially with a group of people)
3) Bugs. I like to avoid them, and hence wish to wait for a while until all the issues are sorted out.
4) Price. Want to know when I bought a PS2? The day it's price dropped a 100 U.S.D. Seriously, the day it dropped a hundred, I called around to make sure that was the case, and then went out and got one. It's insane to pay 300 Hundred/400 Hundred for a system that within two years will be three-fourths of that price. And I have a PS2 to tide me over until then...

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I probably won't be getting one. The price is just to much for me, and the announced games just makes me meh. Funny, I thought PS3 would be the one console I'd be all over, but it's been nothing like that for me.
If there is a huge pricedrop, or I can find a REALLY cheap used one, I might consider it. But for the current price, no.

I believe the console that is most likely to be bought by me is actually the Xbox360 (never thought I'd say that). But the most likely thing overall is that I'll put the money into upgrading my PC.

Most amazing jew boots

Don't know what you think you're going to get out of PC gaming that a console, especially a PS3 won't be able to deliver. Now a days the only games that PCs get are late ports of console games. I used to be a PC gamer too, but with lack of exclusives and the fact that the PS3 has Keyboard and Mouse support for the next Unreal Tournament as well as Mod support (which the 360 won't have) I find it way too expensive to bother with PC gaming anymore for the 2 exclusive games that come out each year. To each their own I guess.

I've got all 3 consoles going, and from the current announcements of PS HOME and LBP along with the upcoming PS3 exclusive titles I think the majority of my time will be spent on my PS3 unlike last year when I was mostly on the 360.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Quote:

Slayer X Don't know what you think you're going to get out of PC gaming that a console, especially a PS3 won't be able to deliver. Now a days the only games that PCs get are late ports of console games. I used to be a PC gamer too, but with lack of exclusives and the fact that the PS3 has Keyboard and Mouse support for the next Unreal Tournament as well as Mod support (which the 360 won't have) I find it way too expensive to bother with PC gaming anymore for the 2 exclusive games that come out each year. To each their own I guess.

Well, I mostly spend my gaming time playing cRPGs nowadays, and while I think there are not enough (good) games in this genre released, there are a few that I look forward. The Witcher and Age of Decadence (though I will certainly not need a new computer for that one) are such examples. I also like that you can customize a lot of the games for PC a lot. Not to mention modules for Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 (which brings loads of playtime).
My PC is not only for gaming though, so that plays in as well.

As for the PS3, well. I used to look forward to stuff like FF and MGS a lot, but I've just lost interest. I don't know why, but the consoles just don't have me interested like they used to.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.