[DS] How do you get 3,000 pikachus on a bus? POKEMON!

Originally Posted by BigCN401

If you have an Action Reply, a flash cart or a way to dump DS roms, you can make a "backup" of the save game.

Weird... I never thought of doing it that way... That's not a half bad idea than <.<

I'll tell that to my friend and maybe he can mass spawn Manaphy eggs.



This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Hey hey! While training my breeding Dratini today, Zaru, my level 94 Linoone found a Leftovers for me ^_^

I am giving this away to the lucky person who can name 5 of my favourite Digimon, and the list must include my most favourite one :3

Good luck! You'll need it XD

Update: Chaotic won my Leftovers! How fun!

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Heh, I've been breeding a ton of Feebas (with a ditto) so if anyone needs one, just ask. And if anyone hasn't noticed (not that anyone would care) I now have a card. Although it isn't finalized and my pokemon aren't even close to 100. Having lots of problems with EVs. Possibly IVs, but don't know if I even want to bother.

Most amazing jew boots

I haven't bothered with EVs at all. I'm starting to wonder whether or not it's a good thing for a bad thing...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by SuperDK

Heh, I've been breeding a ton of Feebas (with a ditto) so if anyone needs one, just ask. And if anyone hasn't noticed (not that anyone would care) I now have a card. Although it isn't finalized and my pokemon aren't even close to 100. Having lots of problems with EVs. Possibly IVs, but don't know if I even want to bother.

Just keep breeding them and use an online calculator, one way of doing it is forcing level 100 battles to see their stats and using an IV calculator to see what they're IVs are.

I ended up getting a pretty nice feebas (20+ IVs into each stat) so I'm levelling that right now.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Chaotic

I haven't bothered with EVs at all. I'm starting to wonder whether or not it's a good thing for a bad thing...

Yeah I read up on it and decided it is just way too time consuming to utilize properly. It's bad enough I have to jump through hoops of catching certain pokemon and breeding them to have the movelist I want.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I've begun to entertain a theory. I think GameFreaks may have revamped the combat system without making the change too obvious.

In all previous games, the potency of each attack was governed by one of your attack scores. Basically, all attacks referred to either the (regular) Attack stat or the Special Attack stat, and each attack typing (Ground, Flying, Psychic, etc.) was conveniently dedicated to one of the Attack stats, but never both.
If you wanted your Pokemon to use "Surf", you'd automatically know to make sure it had a good Special Attack stat. If it needed to know "Cross Chop", regular Attack was the essential number.

Now it doesn't seem so simple. I get the idea that each typing is no longer clearly divided between (regular) Attack and Special Attack. Now it seems that each damaging attack, no matter what is, is assigned a "category", either "Physical" or "Special", as if to denote that the Pokemon could either use it from afar or that the attack required contact for to be successful.

The trouble is that some moves that previously relied upon the regular Attack stat now seem to do less damage because they've been converted to the "Special" category.

Let's look at Alakazam and one of it's old movesets:

Alakazam
Psychic
Thunderpunch
Firepunch
Calm Mind

Under the old system, this moveset could prove lethal, since Zam's Special Attack stats are obscenely high. All Electric, Fire and Psychic moves relied upon the Special Attack to calculate damage.

I believe this has changed.

In D/P, both Thunderpunch and Firepunch are listed as "Physical" moves, which may well mean that their damage is calculated based upon the (regular) Attack stat. Where Zam was previously lethal with a Firepunch, it's now much less effective, since Zam's normal Attack scores are rather pathetic.

But consider Slaking, whose normal Attack power is absolutely destructive. Hyper Beam was a staple move for Slaking, but now Hyper Beam is categorized as "Special". Does this mean that Slaking can no longer deal strong damage with this move just because it has a very low Special Attack stat? Yet, Gardevoir, for all its Special Attack prowess, could suddenly wreck shop? It certainly seems possible now.

If I'm right, then I'm not sure I like the system. It feels like an excuse to placate whiny brats who howled about being unable to stick Fire attacks on their Linoone and still win duels.

However, I've no proof that I'm right. Maybe I'm reading into things too deeply. Has anyone else come across data that supports or disproves my notion? I hope I explained it clearly enough.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I've begun to entertain a theory. I think GameFreaks may have revamped the combat system without making the change too obvious.

Now it doesn't seem so simple. I get the idea that each typing is no longer clearly divided between (regular) Attack and Special Attack. Now it seems that each damaging attack, no matter what is, is assigned a "category", either "Physical" or "Special", as if to denote that the Pokemon could either use it from afar or that the attack required contact for to be successful.

However, I've no proof that I'm right. Maybe I'm reading into things too deeply. Has anyone else come across data that supports or disproves my notion? I hope I explained it clearly enough.

Here it is, right from Serebii.net.

Originally Posted by Serebii.net

Bringing 107 New Pokémon into the mix, bringing us to a total of 493 Pokémon, including many evolutions of old Pokémon, Diamond & Pearl completely overhauls the battling system. No longer are move's stats based on its type , but rather each move is individually allocated being Physical or Special.

So your hunch is correct, Crash. This development was alternately welcomed and trashed since it meant that countless monsters were raised above the level of worthless to something decent, while other staples got nerfed. Of course, then you have things like the dragons which got even more uber thanks to this.

All in all, it's actually a positive improvement, since now we can get more moves, each with a physical/special version. For example, the physical version of Hyper Beam is Giga Impact.

Serebii's Attackdex reflects this change, where you can see the physical/special/other split down at the bottom, so you can find out all the moves that are based on either attack stat or none at all (support moves).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Weird... I never thought of doing it that way... That's not a half bad idea than <.<

I'll tell that to my friend and maybe he can mass spawn Manaphy eggs.

Well, when I think about it after Kairyu generosity, couldn't people just breed a Manaphy with a Ditto? I haven't tired it yet as I'm going for my third gym badge like my sig says. >_>

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Oh definitely not...

For Manaphy it doesn't work the same way. When you breed it with Ditto, you'd get a Phione instead. The only egg born Pokemon that doesn't evolve.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by BigCN401

Well, when I think about it after Kairyu generosity, couldn't people just breed a Manaphy with a Ditto? I haven't tired it yet as I'm going for my third gym badge like my sig says. >_>

Nope, at least I don't think so after checking serebii.net. Apparently breeding a Manaphy will result in this.

...yeah what Chaotic said =p.

edit: Actually I have a odd request if anyone has time for a trade. I would like a Horsea with a neutral nature! Neutral natures include:
Bashful
Quirky
Serious
Docile
Hardy
But why? They're so easy to find! Easier to train that way~

edit2: Thanks Freelance Wolf for the Horsea!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

But why? They're so easy to find! Easier to train that way~

How are they easier to train, exactly? You get no bonuses, as opposed to using a Pokemon with a certain nature which gives (for example) +10 S.Atk, -10 S.Def, where S.Def on that certain Pokemon wouldn't be needed anyway due to it's type.

If you mean they're easier to catch, I guess.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Elixir

How are they easier to train, exactly? You get no bonuses, as opposed to using a Pokemon with a certain nature which gives (for example) +10 S.Atk, -10 S.Def, where S.Def on that certain Pokemon wouldn't be needed anyway due to it's type.

If you mean they're easier to catch, I guess.

Actually no, I was talking about the fact that traded pokemon recieve more experience points in battle over pokemon you've caught or breeded yourself.

FELIPE NO

Could someone send me a Pokemon with a "Serious" Nature? I need it for the Gear add-ons. I'll send it right back too after I get the Gear

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Chaotic

Oh definitely not... ...

Originally Posted by Kairyu

Nope, at least I don't think so after checking serebii.net. Apparently breeding a Manaphy will result in this.

...yeah what Chaotic said =p. ...

Ah. I see.

Oh well. If anybody wants a Manaphy from me just let me know. >_>

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Could someone send me a Pokemon with a "Serious" Nature? I need it for the Gear add-ons. I'll send it right back too after I get the Gear

I can, if you'd like to wait til night :3
Just let me know if you still haven't gotten one by then.

Also, I got your Horsea, Kairyu. I didn't know if you wanted a male or female, so I didn't stop fishing until I caught one of each. I also found two Dragon Scales. Do they do anything else besides evolving Seadra? If not, you can have one if you want. I'll save the other for future trades.

Oh, and one more question. Sorry XD

What is a better item to use? Macho Brace or Lucky Egg? I suppose MB's good when you're training an actual team member, while LE's good for everything else. MB is best for Pokémon with naturally slow speed anyway, right?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I've begun to entertain a theory. I think GameFreaks may have revamped the combat system without making the change too obvious.

In all previous games, the potency of each attack was governed by one of your attack scores. Basically, all attacks referred to either the (regular) Attack stat or the Special Attack stat, and each attack typing (Ground, Flying, Psychic, etc.) was conveniently dedicated to one of the Attack stats, but never both.
If you wanted your Pokemon to use "Surf", you'd automatically know to make sure it had a good Special Attack stat. If it needed to know "Cross Chop", regular Attack was the essential number.

Now it doesn't seem so simple. I get the idea that each typing is no longer clearly divided between (regular) Attack and Special Attack. Now it seems that each damaging attack, no matter what is, is assigned a "category", either "Physical" or "Special", as if to denote that the Pokemon could either use it from afar or that the attack required contact for to be successful.

The trouble is that some moves that previously relied upon the regular Attack stat now seem to do less damage because they've been converted to the "Special" category.

Let's look at Alakazam and one of it's old movesets:

Alakazam
Psychic
Thunderpunch
Firepunch
Calm Mind

Under the old system, this moveset could prove lethal, since Zam's Special Attack stats are obscenely high. All Electric, Fire and Psychic moves relied upon the Special Attack to calculate damage.

I believe this has changed.

In D/P, both Thunderpunch and Firepunch are listed as "Physical" moves, which may well mean that their damage is calculated based upon the (regular) Attack stat. Where Zam was previously lethal with a Firepunch, it's now much less effective, since Zam's normal Attack scores are rather pathetic.

But consider Slaking, whose normal Attack power is absolutely destructive. Hyper Beam was a staple move for Slaking, but now Hyper Beam is categorized as "Special". Does this mean that Slaking can no longer deal strong damage with this move just because it has a very low Special Attack stat? Yet, Gardevoir, for all its Special Attack prowess, could suddenly wreck shop? It certainly seems possible now.

If I'm right, then I'm not sure I like the system. It feels like an excuse to placate whiny brats who howled about being unable to stick Fire attacks on their Linoone and still win duels.

However, I've no proof that I'm right. Maybe I'm reading into things too deeply. Has anyone else come across data that supports or disproves my notion? I hope I explained it clearly enough.

Are you kidding me? You just figured this out? It tells you the entire game. Every attack listed has a physical, special, or other indicator.

Jesus Christ, Crash.

How ya doing, buddy?

Look, asshole, for years the battle system was done a certain way, and I wasn't exactly seeking out signs of an overhaul.

Remember before, some moves were still denoted as being physical, in the sense that they required contact to deal damage. This was represented through abilities like Poison Point and Rough Skin.
Thunderpunch, while still an Electric move that relied upon Sp.Attk. for damage calculation, could still trigger Poison Point. Thunderbolt, however, could not.

The trouble was that there was never any real notation as to which moves fell into those subcategories.

Thus, when I saw "Physical" and "Special", I took it to mean that the moves required contact. I figured they were making that part clear. That's all. There wasn't any clear indicator that Thunderpunch suddenly relied upon the normal Attack score. I even checked the manual to see if this was explained, which it wasn't.

So don't act all superior because it seemed self-evident to you. I'm sure it wasn't an instant realization the moment you played. As I've explained, I had a very good reason to think the way I did.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I wouldn't have known about the new battle changes too if I hadn't been checking Serebii and other places. That puts a whole new spin when it comes to making teams. Maybe people will start using Pokémon that weren't so useful before.

Speaking of which, I just hatched three lovely Totodiles (the fourth is mine), two adorable females and one equally adorable male, and they are in need of good homes, if you'd like to have them. Of course, these are no ordinary Totodiles, for they all have the awesome Dragon Dance. That's right. Who wouldn't want a Totodile with Dragon Dance? I can do trades tonight if you want to have one. Just tell me what gender you want and what you want to call them. First come first served.


Please take me home.

P.S. If you want a Dusk, Shiny or Dawn stone, I'll attach it to the Totodile. I have at least 10 of each >_>

I was speaking idiomatically.

I finally got some Feebas and am now breeding eggs from them.. if anyone wants one. D: I only have one egg right now.. but if you give me the time I can make more.

Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf

I wouldn't have known about the new battle changes too if I hadn't been checking Serebii and other places. That puts a whole new spin when it comes to making teams. Maybe people will start using Pokémon that weren't so useful before.

Speaking of which, I just hatched three lovely Totodiles (the fourth is mine), two adorable females and one equally adorable male, and they are in need of good homes, if you'd like to have them. Of course, these are no ordinary Totodiles, for they all have the awesome Dragon Dance. That's right. Who wouldn't want a Totodile with Dragon Dance? I can do trades tonight if you want to have one. Just tell me what gender you want and what you want to call them. First come first served.


Please take me home.

P.S. If you want a Dusk, Shiny or Dawn stone, I'll attach it to the Totodile. I have at least 10 of each >_>

I'm interested in one.. but what do you want in return? Even better if it has a Dusk stone on it. :d

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I don't want anything in return. I'm such a nice person. Any gender preference and/or name?

FELIPE NO

Nah, doesn't need a name. Female would be better but male is okay too.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Cool. I only have one female left. Kairyu has expressed interest in the male. Anyone else wants a Dragon Dancin' Totodile?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf

Also, I got your Horsea, Kairyu. I didn't know if you wanted a male or female, so I didn't stop fishing until I caught one of each. I also found two Dragon Scales. Do they do anything else besides evolving Seadra? If not, you can have one if you want. I'll save the other for future trades.

Oh, and one more question. Sorry XD

What is a better item to use? Macho Brace or Lucky Egg? I suppose MB's good when you're training an actual team member, while LE's good for everything else. MB is best for Pokémon with naturally slow speed anyway, right?

About your two questions:
1) Dragon Scales don't do anything to a user other than assist in evolution trades for Seadra. If there's more to it then I obviously don't know about it!

2) If you're into EV training Macho Braces will do alot of good for those tanks. Supposedly it doubles the amount of EV points earned for the affected stats but the user's speed stat is inhibited. Well you know what a lucky egg does~ Now to say which is better depends how you're training your pokemon. I'm not really into counting EV points or anything like that so in almost all cases I'll pick a Lucky Egg over a Macho Brace!

Originally Posted by Freelance Wolf

Cool. I only have one female left. Kairyu has expressed interest in the male. Anyone else wants a Dragon Dancin' Totodile?

Thanks for the quick trade *again*
Enjoy the Bagon =p.

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Could someone send me a Pokemon with a "Serious" Nature? I need it for the Gear add-ons. I'll send it right back too after I get the Gear

I just chatted with Freelance Wolf about it and I can cover the trade whenever you're online. I have a Sneasel with a serious nature.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Kairyu

I just chatted with Freelance Wolf about it and I can cover the trade whenever you're online. I have a Sneasel with a serious nature.

Well I just tried to IM you but you weren't online, so I'll try back later.

Also for those who might not be aware: Today is Friday which means its Driftloonday, which you can capture at the Valley Windworks.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.