[Multiplatform] Official Final Fantasy XIII Thread

Originally Posted by Karasu

That's bullshit I think. Square Enix thinks with their money instead of loyalty, which is now the norm sadly these days. Unfortunate I think. Meh whatever.

They sure thought with their loyalty when they ditched Nintendo for Sony, too.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

http://www.gamingforce.org/forums/vi...rtial-law.html

And this goes doubly true for the shitstorm that this thread will turn into if we leave this shit going unattended.

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Originally Posted by Shenlon

wow this is surprising. I invested on the ps3 thinking it would have some nice exclusives and here I am now being kicked in the crotch by it.

So you bought a console based on your assumption that certain games wouldn't come out on another console? That's fair enough, if a little naive given that pretty much all the big games are multiplatform eventually these days but I can follow your line of thought. What I don't get though is why it's a kick in the crotch that they're going to be available on other consoles too. It's not going to reduce the quality of the game and you'll still be able to play it on the console you bought so what's the problem? Unless of course you wanted to get a 360 to play Halo but went for the PS3 for FFXIII but now you could have got a 360 after all in which case, gutted, you better get saving up for a 360.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Shin

So you bought a console based on your assumption that certain games wouldn't come out on another console? That's fair enough, if a little naive given that pretty much all the big games are multiplatform eventually these days but I can follow your line of thought. What I don't get though is why it's a kick in the crotch that they're going to be available on other consoles too. It's not going to reduce the quality of the game and you'll still be able to play it on the console you bought so what's the problem? Unless of course you wanted to get a 360 to play Halo but went for the PS3 for FFXIII but now you could have got a 360 after all in which case, gutted, you better get saving up for a 360.

No it's not going to reduce the quality of the game of course but lets just say you bought an xbox because you heard and everyone assumed that the most popular game in the console, Halo, is now going to be exclusive to the 360 (which it is) BUT they suddenly announce that the game is going to come out for the ps3 as well.
Now let us just say that you originally wanted to get a ps3 but was overwhelmed by the hype of halo. Now you have your xbox and ready for halo, but guess what, now you hear that halo is coming out on the ps3 which is the system you wanted first. (and of course all hypothetical thought is in past tense)
Granted, that this is what just happened to the ps3 with FFXIII but what if other titles such as white knight story, god of war 3 (Which is doubtfull seeing as its a sony game), and other ps2 sequels which were once exlcusive to sony now all coming to multiplatform when your original assumptions were that they would be ps3 exclusive and thought "alright, i can only afford one console at the moment, let go with the one which has exclusives I'm familiar with and I know I'll probably enjoy"

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Karasu

That's bullshit I think. Square Enix thinks with their money instead of loyalty, which is now the norm sadly these days. Unfortunate I think. Meh whatever.

Oh my, it seems not everyone's thrilled to see that Square Enix announced that this game will also head to 360 *in Jade Curtiss sarcastic voice*.

How ya doing, buddy?

Well seeing as how I have a 360, this is great news!

I don't see how everyone's getting so SERIOUS BUSINESS about this anyway. Sony messed up this generation, however they will learn from their mistakes (Hopefully) and move on.

Also as people seem to be forgetting: It will be BOTH systems, so no one is being left out of the main event. Certain aspects of the game might change a bit from PS3 to 360 (Such as Multi-Disc, Hard Drive Installation as optional (For loading time reduction & such) and Achievements ), but until we even know if such assumed things are going to be in it, its a little early to be getting upset over phantom features.

Having that said, I think the decent success of Mistwalker's RPGs might have had an influence on the decision to make it Multi-console.

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Originally Posted by Shenlon

No it's not going to reduce the quality of the game of course but lets just say you bought an xbox because you heard and everyone assumed that the most popular game in the console, Halo, is now going to be exclusive to the 360 (which it is) BUT they suddenly announce that the game is going to come out for the ps3 as well.
Now let us just say that you originally wanted to get a ps3 but was overwhelmed by the hype of halo. Now you have your xbox and ready for halo, but guess what, now you hear that halo is coming out on the ps3 which is the system you wanted first. (and of course all hypothetical thought is in past tense)
Granted, that this is what just happened to the ps3 with FFXIII but what if other titles such as white knight story, god of war 3 (Which is doubtfull seeing as its a sony game), and other ps2 sequels which were once exlcusive to sony now all coming to multiplatform when your original assumptions were that they would be ps3 exclusive and thought "alright, i can only afford one console at the moment, let go with the one which has exclusives I'm familiar with and I know I'll probably enjoy"

Well that's fair enough then. I actually did buy a 360 to play Halo originally so GTA and now FFXIII coming out for it was a big bonus for me.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

main reason to bought PS3 for FFXIII,now my xbox360 is best now.what I need now to kick my PS3.

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I'll take your PS3 so I can play Valkyria Chronicles! Don't kick it! ;_;

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Dark Nation

Having that said, I think the decent success of Mistwalker's RPGs might have had an influence on the decision to make it Multi-console.

I think this is key right here. They saw the better than expected sales, especially for Lost Odyssey (if I'm reading the right lists), and thought "Aha! There IS a market for RPGs on 360!"

Mistwalker took the plunge for the entire industry, and showed that it is possible to do well on the 360 with an old-fashioned JRPG.

How ya doing, buddy?

This game's going to be on the 360 too? That's good news for me seeing as I not only do I have a 360 and not a PS3, but I don't really have the money I'm willing to go spend on getting a PS3.


I was speaking idiomatically.

I think its great it's coming for 360 just as long as its coming for the PS3 as well, its all about accessibility and not a lot of use can own every system that comes out years and years. I don't understand the fanboy-isms but i can understand someone buying a PS3 early just cause they think a game is exclusive. I guess what's done is done and you still have a system it'll play on, just embrace it.

Besides the 360 announcement its good to see that they've at least been working on FFXIII more.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Beard Overflow

There hasn't been an RPG console yet. Largely because no one's released a decent RPG since for next gen consoles.

Point taken. I do enjoy Lost Odyssey a lot though. That's at least one good RPG for the 360 as opposed to 0 for the PS3. (In my opinion)

I will say that, based on future releases, the 360 looks to still be the console for RPGs. I just hope that they don't sandbag on development for multi console RPGs to cater to the 360's lack of Blue Ray.

FELIPE NO

As long as the game is still built from the ground up for PS3, and simply ported to the 360, I don't really see any room for BAWWWING here. I'm sure it will still have the ridiculous clothing, thirty minute install time, and repetitive combat we have all been looking forward to.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

There is no installing on 360 so that won't happen. I doubt it will be ported either. =D

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by BZ

There is no installing on 360 so that won't happen. I doubt it will be ported either. =D

Yes there is. Microsoft is planning to make HDD installations and full-game installs doable so that at times you don't even need the disc to play.

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I am one of those that bought the ps3 on day 1 because of MGS4 and FFXIII exclusivity and I can,t say that at first it didn't bother me but I'll still be getting for the ps3 so it's still good news, more people will be able to lay, let's just hope that the fanboy will just shut up now...

I'm still worried about Sony thought... I wonder if Sony is not planning something big for tomorrow...

Anyway Square-Enix still haven't started to work on the 360 version, they are waiting to finish the ps3 first and then doing a port to the 360. I suppose the ps3 could be better, but I don't think there will be much difference... This probably mean we will not see it until end of 2009 since they want to launch it at the same time on both console...

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Originally Posted by Shenlon

No it's not going to reduce the quality of the game of course but lets just say you bought an xbox because you heard and everyone assumed that the most popular game in the console, Halo, is now going to be exclusive to the 360 (which it is) BUT they suddenly announce that the game is going to come out for the ps3 as well.
Now let us just say that you originally wanted to get a ps3 but was overwhelmed by the hype of halo. Now you have your xbox and ready for halo, but guess what, now you hear that halo is coming out on the ps3 which is the system you wanted first. (and of course all hypothetical thought is in past tense)
Granted, that this is what just happened to the ps3 with FFXIII but what if other titles such as white knight story, god of war 3 (Which is doubtfull seeing as its a sony game), and other ps2 sequels which were once exlcusive to sony now all coming to multiplatform when your original assumptions were that they would be ps3 exclusive and thought "alright, i can only afford one console at the moment, let go with the one which has exclusives I'm familiar with and I know I'll probably enjoy"

Here's what i don't understand about this argument, maybe you can help me out here.

In what you said above about buying the xbox for Halo 3, one assumes you probably bought the console reasonably close to when the game came out, not several years out. I can understand wanting to make the 'best' choice in console purchases if your money's tight and you can only afford one, but I just don't understand making that choice so many years before the games you wanted are going to come out. You know what I mean? Why lock your money into one console simply because of one game, or a few games, if no other games that had come out until this point really pulled you?

I guess it doesn't matter really though. YOu had already made your bed, and you're prepared to lie in it. I'm just wondering why people did this in the first place, I guess.

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I'm impressed. I basically said before that if they were serious they'd go after FFXIII and they did. I don't think this is going to have much impact in Japan but the sales figures in the US shall be interesting.

I'm just saddened a bit by the multi-disc prospect. That pretty much puts the game in the realm of being very linear and a step backwards of possibility cutting off access to parts of the game which they were moving away from in FFX and FFXII but well Final Fantasy has never been much of an open ended game to begin with.

We'll see what this does for the more niche games though from companies like Atlus, NIS, GUST, etc. I don't see them going to the Xbox 360 still, but hey most people didn't expect FFXIII to either. Whatever, as long as they don't go to the Wii exclusively.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Cetra

That pretty much puts the game in the realm of being very linear

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but well Final Fantasy has never been much of an open ended game to begin with.

Wait, what? Didn't you answer your own rant there?

On another note, do you really think they'd even be putting the game on multiple discs after developing it for PS3 for so long that it wasn't already linear as hell to begin with? Again, you raised that point yourself, but whining about the multidisc prospect is silly.

Espeically after MGS4 proved that just because it's all on one Bluray disc, that doesn't prevent the game from being ridiculously fragmented. How'd you like it if you got a free open world with a 10 minute install between continents?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Buffet Overflow

Wait, what? Didn't you answer your own rant there?

On another note, do you really think they'd even be putting the game on multiple discs after developing it for PS3 for so long that it wasn't already linear as hell to begin with? Again, you raised that point yourself, but whining about the multidisc prospect is silly.

Espeically after MGS4 proved that just because it's all on one Bluray disc, that doesn't prevent the game from being ridiculously fragmented. How'd you like it if you got a free open world with a 10 minute install between continents?

I don't give a shit about installs and I actually prefer them as they improve performance.

As for the linear issue. Yes they are linear, however FFX started to break that mold by allowing you to travel to all places before and give you some side quests to do. FFXII took this even further with complete access to the world and the hunt system to give it a purpose. One would hope these aspects would be further improved upon with FFXIII. However with the announcement of the game going to DVD-9 this is now very unlikely and we'll be returning to the even more linear nature of series that we saw in the PS1 era, with the multi-disc format being a large contribution to why they so linear.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

I'm impressed. I basically said before that if they were serious they'd go after FFXIII and they did. I don't think this is going to have much impact in Japan but the sales figures in the US shall be interesting.

It won't have any actually, they've decided that Japan won't be getting the 360 version.

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Originally Posted by Cetra

I don't give a shit about installs and I actually prefer them as they improve performance.

You clearly have not played MGS4, because you don't get what I'm referring to. MGS4 only lets you install one chapter at once, with a massive install, and STILL has terrible load times. I'm not saying it's guaranteed FFXIII will have that issue, but when you argue that blu-ray automatically ensures that there's no ridiculous fragmentation, I can point to MGS4 and say otherwise. There's no difference between it and a multi-disc game with the exception that MGS4 doesn't even make you leave your chair. How convenient!

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As for the linear issue. Yes they are linear, however FFX started to break that mold by allowing you to travel to all places before and give you some side quests to do.

So did Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, which were 3 and 4 discs respectively. Your point?

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Originally Posted by Buffet Overflow

Wait, what? Didn't you answer your own rant there?

On another note, do you really think they'd even be putting the game on multiple discs after developing it for PS3 for so long that it wasn't already linear as hell to begin with? Again, you raised that point yourself, but whining about the multidisc prospect is silly.

Espeically after MGS4 proved that just because it's all on one Bluray disc, that doesn't prevent the game from being ridiculously fragmented. How'd you like it if you got a free open world with a 10 minute install between continents?

For the record, The MGS4 installs were only 1 - 2 minutes. The only one that was 10 minutes was the installation in the beginning.

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Originally Posted by Buffet Overflow

You clearly have not played MGS4, because you don't get what I'm referring to. MGS4 only lets you install one chapter at once, with a massive install, and STILL has terrible load times. I'm not saying it's guaranteed FFXIII will have that issue, but when you argue that blu-ray automatically ensures that there's no ridiculous fragmentation, I can point to MGS4 and say otherwise. There's no difference between it and a multi-disc game with the exception that MGS4 doesn't even make you leave your chair. How convenient!

I hate the use of other games, I really do so much because they prove nothing. MGS4 isn't FFXIII. They aren't even in the same genre and have completely different asset flow to deal with in each. MGS4s solution does not apply to FFXIII so don't even bother.

And yes I own the game. There are no massive load times either so I'm wondering if you have actually played the game or not.

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So did Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey, which were 3 and 4 discs respectively. Your point?

Same deal. Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey were designed with a multi-disc plan from the start. The games could have developed into something totally different if they didn't have to take it in to consideration. We don't know. But what we do know is multi-disc game design has different requirements than a single disc. This is going to have a significant effect on the final product. There are things you simply cannot do when dealing with multiple discs or you have to pick and choose from a list of planned features rather than get the full featured suite into a single disc solution.

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