[Movie] LOST

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I didn't know people still really used VHS. You should invest in a recording device like a (hi definition) TiVO if you record television so much.

Guitly as charged. I've been interested in upgrading to TiVO, but I didn't have the cash for it until now. After the PS3, a new PC monitor, and HD cable, I'll set my sights on TiVO.

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Sarah? Bitch. I can't say I entirely enjoyed watching Jack become an obsessive man over Sarah's new squeeze, but Sarah was so cold towards him. "Look on the bright side: at least now you have something to fix."

We still don't know what caused them to break up. Jack must have done something unforgivable, and that isn't a longshot considering his attitude last season and now here. I think they're going to make like Charlie and focus on the dark side of Jack in this season.

Henry Gale/Ben's becoming a better "villain" with each episode. Can't wait to see what unpleasantries will be occuring for the captives.

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Pretty cool episode. About as good as an episode from Seaosn 1 (which is still pretty good), but not on par with the best of season 2. Nice to see maybe another survivor (Karl) and now we have Henry's real name (I wonder how many people are gonna call him Benry?). The opening did me going WTF!!!! Brill opening I must say.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Dr. Uzuki

And how long was the running time on this episode? The amount of ads seemed stupid.

Yeah, I was pretty pissed when they had two sets of commercials in the first 13 minutes.

Of course, I'm also pissed that I can't seem to get Digital ABC, so no Lost in HD for me. Dammit.

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Oookay well the first five minutes were totally awesome, but after that, the usual thing: It is all becoming too confusing again, really hoped they would have stopped this shit.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

See, I don't find it confusing at all. Weird yes, confusing no. This is a sci-fi show afterall, things aren't supposed to make sense straight away.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

We still don't know what caused them to break up. Jack must have done something unforgivable, and that isn't a longshot considering his attitude last season and now here. I think they're going to make like Charlie and focus on the dark side of Jack in this season.

In season 2 we sorta find out why Jack and Sarah break up...

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Sarah says she's seeing somebody else after Jack admits to making out with a patient's daughter.

Also, did anyone catch this?

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When Zeke tells Sawyer "the bears did it in 2 hours," I think he's referring to polar bears!

I was speaking idiomatically.

I guess what I liked the most about this episode was that the characters were actually entertaining and not taking shit from the Others. With Jack teasing Juliet about him being a repo man and Sawyer's figuring out the cage, it just seemed like they are finally acting the way they should in a tense situation.

Plus, I enjoyed how Kate actually had that fragile look on her face and not the "tough chick" type persona that has been shoved down our throats.

Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were finally likable again, and that is a huge plus with me. The dialogue was really well-written and we can at last connect with the characters.

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Hey Sprout

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In that Lost Experience thing, they revealed that one of Dharma's experiments was putting Polar Bears in a tropical climate to see how they adapt, so you are probably right with that.

Anyway I loved the season premiere, even though people are complaining that it was extremely confusing. But I like the new character, Juliet. Jack's story was very sad and some of my friend's were complaining that he never found out Sarah's new guy's name. I keep saying that the guy's name really didn't matter. The point was how obsessive and crazy Jack got over the fact that he didn't know who the guy was. If it really was something that the writers needed to answer, they would have had Jack ask what his name was when Juliet had his file. But instead he asked, "Is she happy?"

Anyway, it's interesting to see how civilized, yet savage the others are. When the other kid, Will?, let Sawyer out, they could have punished both Sawyer and the kid, but they made the kid apologize to Sawyer for making him participate in a breakout attempt. I'm interested to learn about the kid more and what they did to him after they dragged him away. Or maybe they didn't punish Sawyer because they need the 3 prisoners for something.

Notice Henry/Ben said to Kate, "The next two weeks are going to be very difficult." Or something along those lines. So they have some type of goal that will take two weeks for Kate at least. As for what will happen after two weeks, we'll have to wait and see. As for what Juliet accomplished, I have no idea. Maybe she was ordered to gain Jack's trust or evoke his emotions or I don't know. Anyway, I thought the premiere was good.

By the way, was Juliet's favorite book Carrie? Because I sensed that Juliet was kind of disdainful towards the rest of the people and especially Ben. Maybe she's kind of an outcast like Carrie was....or maybe she has telekinetic powers! Ha, just kidding about the latter part....or am I?

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Originally Posted by rockthepartay

I guess what I liked the most about this episode was that the characters were actually entertaining and not taking shit from the Others. With Jack teasing Juliet about him being a repo man and Sawyer's figuring out the cage, it just seemed like they are finally acting the way they should in a tense situation.

Plus, I enjoyed how Kate actually had that fragile look on her face and not the "tough chick" type persona that has been shoved down our throats.

Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were finally likable again, and that is a huge plus with me. The dialogue was really well-written and we can at last connect with the characters.

Ok.

Take everything you just said and reverse it.

That's how I felt about this episode.

Others: We are talking calmly.
JACK: UGG UGG FUCK YOU UGG UGG
Others: Um, let's just talk.
JACK: {foams at mouth} WHERE'S KATE AND SAWYER YOU BASTARDS!
DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING USEFUL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO CALMLY REASON WITH YOU!! UGG UGG

Lost is about stringing along its viewers without showing them anything of any importance, instead making its characters angrily shout things at each other in a primitive show of power.

Plus, flashbacks suck ass now. I think we've scraped the bottom of the barrel for almost all of the main characters.

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Why should Jack calmly try and negotiate and trust the Others? Afterall, they've gone and shot him in the neck, captured him and his mates, turned one of them against them and stuck him in a room for slicing and dicing fish (which must smell horribly). I don't like Jack, but I do sympathise with him in this instance. I sure as hell wouldn't be calm as a cucumber in his situation, I doubt many people would.

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Jazz, you're just simply wrong about how the show is being handled.

And as Majin pointed out, I think the situation called for the shouting and anger. The guy was just kidnapped and the Others are known for killing people when they feel like it.

Also, I partly agree with your statement with the flashbacks. I think the stories of Eko, Locke, Jack, Sayid, Desmond and Hurley are still interesting. The rest of the cast, however, really don't need anymore new flashbacks.

New characters (from the camp) are going to be introduced soon, so we'll hopefully get new stories after the break.

I do believe that they will start having flashbacks of the Others (much like what they did with the first 5 minutes of the premiere), just not yet because of the situation that Jack, Kate, and Sawyer are in. So it only makes sense that they would start off with a Jack flashback this season since they've done so for the past two seasons.

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Bit of a nothing premiere, to be honest - I was hoping for dramatic revelations right from the get-go, but it's nice to know the name of another DHARMA station and to meet a few new characters. But yeah, flashbacks what. I'd have actually thought it'd been worthwhile if it HAD turned out that

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Jack's dad was having an affair with his ex-wife.

But, nooo, CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT not.

Also, the opening just made me stare at my screen and mouth "what the FUCK". Why couldn't the rest have been of that calibur? Oh well.

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The thing between Jack and his dad is an example of the useless drama this show spews forth. Don't get me wrong, it has some fantastic character drama and situations, but this is not an example of one. I'll elaborate-

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Jack's dad could have very very easily said "we are not having an affair, she is helping me with my drinking" or something to that effect. Instead, they have him say "let it go" and all this stuff to make you think he is, then it's supposed to be a dramatic reveal when he it turns out he's not. I dunno, I look at, you know, real life situations and I just do not see these character interactions being realistic at all. People give me shit for having a problem with that, but it's something that has bugged me since season 2.

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Originally Posted by sprouticus

The thing between Jack and his dad is an example of the useless drama this show spews forth. Don't get me wrong, it has some fantastic character drama and situations, but this is not an example of one. I'll elaborate-

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Jack's dad could have very very easily said "we are not having an affair, she is helping me with my drinking" or something to that effect. Instead, they have him say "let it go" and all this stuff to make you think he is, then it's supposed to be a dramatic reveal when he it turns out he's not. I dunno, I look at, you know, real life situations and I just do not see these character interactions being realistic at all. People give me shit for having a problem with that, but it's something that has bugged me since season 2.

That's exactly it!

In case you other people didn't understand my argument, I was complaining how no one COMMUNICATES on this show AT ALL. They just fight without simply explaining things.

I was speaking idiomatically.

And why the fuck do we need more people from the camp/crash coming into the show. They still have not explained anything about anyone from the crash and their experiences on the island. We dont need more people just for more flashbacks.

Why not use what we know about all the main characters now and develop the story while giving us occasional answers to what is going on. Stop stringing us up.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by JazzFlight

In case you other people didn't understand my argument, I was complaining how no one COMMUNICATES on this show AT ALL. They just fight without simply explaining things.

That's really the only problem I have with the show. Everything else is great, but the drama feels so forced and unrealistic. There's enough drama to go around with the fact that they're trapped on this crazy island being prodded and probed by The Others, this hatch, and some smoke monster where we don't even need any of the useless lack of communication. It's dramatic enough as it is. The character drama is just plain awful.

Last season it was really bad, especially with the lockdown and the map. Any normal person would have run screaming onto the beach like a lunatic after what happened.

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight

That's exactly it!

In case you other people didn't understand my argument, I was complaining how no one COMMUNICATES on this show AT ALL. They just fight without simply explaining things.

My main beef with the show as well. That, and I'm just sick of Jack and his dad at this point. Still, I'm looking forward to seeing how this'll all pan out. I mean, season 3 can't be any worse than season 2, right?

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I mean, yeah, I too wish the characters would talk more with each other, but I in no way see this as a problem or unrealistic.

The only episode that I can remember that had this problem of "no communication between the characters" and having it directly affect the quality of the episode was Fire+Water. Every other instance that people have pointed out (you guys aren't the only ones with this opinion) is just the result of the viewer knowing more than the characters in the show.

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Originally Posted by rockthepartay

I mean, yeah, I too wish the characters would talk more with each other, but I in no way see this as a problem or unrealistic.

The only episode that I can remember that had this problem of "no communication between the characters" and having it directly affect the quality of the episode was Fire+Water. Every other instance that people have pointed out (you guys aren't the only ones with this opinion) is just the result of the viewer knowing more than the characters in the show.

I dunno, I think it's unrealistic that a bunch of adults would hold grudges and initiate confrontations like a bunch of middle schoolers. They're constantly starting unrealistic conflicts that are just not needed for a show like this. It's mostly Jack I have the problem with. His stubbornness reminds me of this stupid bitch I had to work with all last year. It's realistic, yeah, but it's piss-poor drama because it's not fueled by anything except Jack's douchebaggery. Now suddenly, EVERYONE is behaving that way. I dunno, that just feels like a cheat or a cop-out to me. It's tiresome.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Maybe it's just me, but in my interactions with people in their 30s and older, there is very little difference between adults and middle schoolers.

In fact, I would go as far to say adults are more annoying.

So, I guess I just don't agree that the drama is being forced. It seems that people are projecting what THEY would do in the situation instead of just watching what the characters actually end up doing instead.

Once the mystery is solved and the show is finally over, all that will be left for most people is the drama. So, it makes sense that the drama is infact a big part of the show, and I feel for the most part they've done a great job in making us care about what happens in their past. Yes, some of it is running thin, but it has yet to become a problem in my eyes.

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The acting was so great in the premiere that I just can't seem to understand why anyone would find that episode boring.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I liked the premiere for season 3, but it seemed too much like a filler episode. That's my only beef so far.

As for the comment on communication... Why don't people just talk? My main example: Back in season 1, when they were dynamite-ing the hatch, and Hurley saw the numbers. He was all 'THENUMBERSAREBADTHENUMBERSAREBAD' but never EVER tells anyone why. You'd think that's something he would talk about, especially since the numbers pop up all over the place on the island.

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He told Jack, and all he said to him was "they're just numbers." The old lady in his flashback said the same thing. He's told Charlie his is worth millions, but Charlie doesn't believe him. He's hinted at how he is bad luck, and people just shrug it off.

A better example would have been on episode 4 when Locke doesn't scream out to everyone "I SAW THE FUCKING MONSTER" but instead pretends that the whole thing didn't happen. I'm hoping that this will be resolved one day (maybe when they give a full answer of what the monster is), but probably not.

I'm pretty sure the lack of communication stems from everyone on the show being insecure with who they really are so they keep the secrets so that they do not further embarrass themselves which would leaves them vulnerable.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Once they start having flashbacks for the decent characters (Hurley, Sawyer, Desmond, Locke, Eko, hell, maybe even Benry) the show'll be back into gear. Jack's episodes are always the worse.

And let's not forget people, they've only known each other for a couple of months. Why the hell should they trust each other like they're best buddies? Only somecharacters have shown a degree of trust when it comes to matters that involve other things (you know things are fucked when one of those characters is the resident con-man).

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You guys probably already figured this out, but I just realized this about the relationship between Jack and his dad and why it bothered him so much after the events that were revealed in the Season 3 premiere. Anyone who says nothing really happened in this episode, or nothing was revealed, must not have realized from the chronology:

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Jack caused his dad's death. You see, his dad was recovering while he was still a doctor. Then, Jack's physical attack on his dad at the AA meeting caused his dad to drink again (as mentioned by his ex-wife as they left the polic station). What does this mean? This means that when Jack's father was drunk in the operating room, which lead to his being stripped of his license to practice medicine, it was because of Jack. Not indirectly, but directly because of him. It was because of all of that that Jack's dad fled to Australia, where he died shortly thereafter. So, there you go: Jack killed his father.

This is an F'N BRILLIANT example of how plot "chronology" can have such a deep impact on the story. I wonder how many people watched the premiere and missed this? I mean, anyone who hadn't seen the previous seasons wouldn't make the connection either. Basically, in this scenario, no facts have changed, but the way in which the timeline of events is presented to us has all the effect in the world. I've never seen another TV show do this across 3 seasons. Insanely wonderful...

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Originally Posted by speculative

You guys probably already figured this out, but I just realized this about the relationship between Jack and his dad and why it bothered him so much after the events that were revealed in the Season 3 premiere. Anyone who says nothing really happened in this episode, or nothing was revealed, must not have realized from the chronology:

Spoiler:

Jack caused his dad's death. You see, his dad was recovering while he was still a doctor. Then, Jack's physical attack on his dad at the AA meeting caused his dad to drink again (as mentioned by his ex-wife as they left the polic station). What does this mean? This means that when Jack's father was drunk in the operating room, which lead to his being stripped of his license to practice medicine, it was because of Jack. Not indirectly, but directly because of him. It was because of all of that that Jack's dad fled to Australia, where he died shortly thereafter. So, there you go: Jack killed his father.

This is an F'N BRILLIANT example of how plot "chronology" can have such a deep impact on the story. I wonder how many people watched the premiere and missed this? I mean, anyone who hadn't seen the previous seasons wouldn't make the connection either. Basically, in this scenario, no facts have changed, but the way in which the timeline of events is presented to us has all the effect in the world. I've never seen another TV show do this across 3 seasons. Insanely wonderful...

That's not so new, I always thought Jack had feelings of guilt for having a fight with his father before the trip to Australia.

Even after the actual fight, he's still not directly responsible. It's the same as it was before. Indirectly responsible for the death. Jack's father made the decision to drink and go off and die of his own accord.

This isn't brilliant, and especially not because it is over 3 seasons. They're just stretching out the same basic character profile longer and longer.

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