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 Member 423 Level 39.65 Mar 2006 
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There's a rumoured list of Xbox Live tweaks from an expected spring update that have appeared online. Most are fairly small changes, but there's some interesting ones in there. Here's the full list:
Spoiler:
The things that caught my eye are: - Group voice chat - Donate MS points to another Live account - Support for voice chat to Messenger contacts - Ability to delete 0 point games from gamercard (about fucking time if it happens) - Voice and picture messages accessible from Xbox.com (for Gold members) FELIPE NO |
Member 812 Level 22.90 Mar 2006
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"11. Support for titles to store installation data on Storage Device for faster loading."
Finally going to allow optional HDD installs? If that's what that means, that's probably the best thing in the list. What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Member 22205 Level 32.07 Apr 2007
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Provided it's handled properly, yes, I agree. I like the idea of exchanging MS Points between accounts. It'd be time to fuck up the Japanese economy if that's the case.
Jam it back in, in the dark.  |
Member 423 Level 39.65 Mar 2006
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The MS point exchange thing has me curious. Something tells me you'd be limited to gifting people in your region, because I pay more for my MS points than you fuckers in the States, so it'd be easy for me to get you guys to gift me points via Paypal and all that jazz, which would royally screw up their rip-off Europe plans. Something tells me that if it happens it'll be bollocksed up.
There's nowhere I can't reach. |
Member 22205 Level 32.07 Apr 2007
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Like many disappointing things, Heroes for instance, the speculation in our heads is probably going to be better than anything actually dished out from the source.
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. |
 Member 589 Level 64.55 Mar 2006
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I like the sound of being able to set online status before I'm signed in. Much as I love playing with people online, some days you just want to play single player and it'd be easier to appear offline than to seem rude refusing game invites.
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Member 222 Level 36.56 Mar 2006
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Group voice chat finally. Even though it is only up to four participants, that is still something that was a long time coming.
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 Member 601 Level 52.11 Mar 2006
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24. Option to disable invites from titles not on gamercard (excludes demos).
Now I won't get invites to play Halo 3/CoD4. Otherwise the things you listed sound like the very few things that Nintendo got right with their online service. Having the option to gift MS Points (why not XBLA titles?) is one of the few things that's missing from XBL. Plus it's about time they gave us group chat. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?  |
Member 722 Level 44.20 Mar 2006
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That's the reason is why I am not farther along in the missions on GTAIV. Everytime I get on its all "So-and-So would like to Play!". I like Multiplayer as much as the next guy, but I wanna get to Time's Square one of these days! 
FELIPE NO 
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Member 423 Level 39.65 Mar 2006
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You can always turn down invitations to games. People would understand. Just saying.
What, you don't want my bikini-clad body? |
Member 222 Level 36.56 Mar 2006
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I don't know, some people we know like to spam invites even when they know the person they are inviting don't even have the game in question.
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Sensors online. Weapons online. All systems nominal.  Member 80 Level 56.91 Mar 2006
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I'm still skeptical. "Feature lists" for these updates always come out early, and they're always somewhat flakey looking or from sources that aren't always that trustworthy. I'd love a lot of what's on that list, but I remember reading rumour lists containing group chat as a feature the last time we got a major upgrade. I ain't doubting it, but I ain't believing it outright either. Seems too good to be true, and all that. Especially with some stuff like the installations being on there.
But the gifting points (I can finally buy a bit of content on a marketplace that's not American without tieing the credit card to another gamercard!), group chat, and clearing out of old crap on the gamercard will be nice. How ya doing, buddy?  |
Member 445 Level 24.23 Mar 2006
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Good to be skeptical because Microsoft outright denied this list:
This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it. 
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Sensors online. Weapons online. All systems nominal. Member 80 Level 56.91 Mar 2006
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Well, that's a slight variation on the often used canned response they give to such things, that they have given it to both true and false rumours before, so it's hardly decisive.
I think the biggest knock against the list is how there are some wildly goofy things on it. I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body? |
Member 589 Level 64.55 Mar 2006
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I was speaking idiomatically. |
Sensors online. Weapons online. All systems nominal. Member 80 Level 56.91 Mar 2006
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Hahahahaha. Shit. No Spring update. AT ALL.
EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: MS to Delist XBLA Titles : Next Generation - Interactive Entertainment Today, Video Game and Industry News - Home of Edge Online Mclawl sandwich. Turned out it was correct to be skeptical! Once again, "news" blogs make shit up! Horray~ That's not the only strange thing, though! BEHOLD.
I'm all for a fix to that extremely broken DRM. That's need a fix since day one. But removing titles from the service, even shitty ones, is ridiculous. Part of the point of digital distrobution is that there IS no shelf space one needs to consider. There is no concerns about lost revenue elsewhere if old product is left available. It lets people find whatever they want with ease, and not having to hear "sold out" or unavailable. This does nothing but hose over some devs. What's truely mind boggling is the bit about metacritic. Are we allowing a corrupt media to collectively decide what games we are even ALLOWED TO PLAY anymore? Just discount it and stick it in a special bargain bin catagory or something. There's literally NO REASON I can think of to remove the stuff other than realizing that browsing titles sucks on the Xbox. Some games I own that fall under the "metacritic has determined it sucks" catagory is Mad Tracks, Time Pilot, and Triggerheart Exelica. If these need to be deleted to make space, am I gonna be able to redownload them later? Hell, most of the arcade classics are eligible for delisting thanks to this. While I might personally not like them, a few people do. It's just silly to remove it at all. What argument do they have for doing this? GOOD GAMES NOT SELLING BECAUSE OF BAD GAMES? Then apply QA from here on out. But this is silly. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Member 222 Level 36.56 Mar 2006
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Man, they are really hurting for hard drive space on their servers. Those 30 or so XBLA titles taking up those five total gigs of hard drive space simply have to go. I think I could donate them a couple 32 gig SCSI drives if they are hurting that bad.
FELIPE NO I didn't say I wouldn't go fishin' with the man.
All I'm sayin' is, if he comes near me, I'll put him in the wall. |
Member 501 Level 30.26 Mar 2006
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I thought maybe instead of delisting titles they could cut the prices (or even give them away) at least that way there's a choice, removing them is just silly in my opinion. I kinda knew there wouldn't be any updates, that list was too good to be true.
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Member 267 Level 49.52 Mar 2006
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As for the delisting titles thing, are they fucking stupid? There is no logical reason that I can think of for them to need to remove titles that are performing poorly. There are plenty of people who've not taken their system online yet that might LOVE some of the games that are on the service. The fact that the games are online means that the game will never be impossible to find/sold out. It's right there, a button press away. If they're worried about being able to find the good games, why not just put the crappy ones into a "Value" section? That's pretty much a euphemism for "Shit" at this point, you can just move all the crappy games into the Arcade Value section, knock them down a couple hundred MSP to justify them being a VALUE, then leave them there to rot. Jam it back in, in the dark. 
Last edited by value tart; May 24, 2008 at 12:43 PM.
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Member 88 Level 16.94 Mar 2006
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236 Robotron: 2084 2006 65 237 Bankshot Billiards 2 2005 65 238 Feeding Frenzy 2006 65 239 Dig Dug 2006 65 241 Ms. Pac-Man 2007 65 246 Gauntlet 2005 65 247 Crystal Quest 2006 64 248 Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 2007 64 256 Texas Hold 'em 2006 63 258 Fatal Fury Special 2007 63 260 Contra 2006 63 261 Marathon: Durandal 2007 63 262 Triggerheart Exelica 2008 63 264 Missile Command 2007 63 265 Time Pilot 2006 63 266 Track & Field 2007 63 267 Hardwood Backgammon 2005 62 270 Hardwood Spades 2005 62 271 Pac-Man 2006 62 273 Frogger 2006 62 274 Mad Tracks 2007 62 278 Root Beer Tapper 2007 61 281 Super Contra 2007 61 288 Geon: Emotions 2007 59 289 Soltrio Solitaire 2007 59 292 Arkadian Warriors 2007 59 293 TiQal 2008 58 295 Rush'n Attack 2007 58 297 Aegis Wing 2007 58 298 Defender 2006 58 299 Rocketmen: Axis of Evil 2008 57 300 Double Dragon 2007 57 302 Xevious 2007 56 304 Gyruss 2007 56 310 Asteroids / Asteroids Deluxe 2007 55 312 Battlestar Galactica 2007 55 315 Centipede & Millipede 2007 55 318 Boogie Bunnies 2008 54 319 Spyglass Board Games 2007 54 322 Brain Challenge 2008 54 324 Tetris Splash 2007 53 328 Ecco the Dolphin 2007 53 331 Battlezone 2008 52 338 Yie Ar Kung-Fu 2007 51 341 Wing Commander Arena 2007 51 342 Novadrome 2006 50 349 Shrek-N-Roll 2007 49 353 Mr. Driller Online 2008 48 354 Scramble 2006 47 355 Tempest 2007 47 358 Street Trace: NYC 2007 45 360 Discs of Tron 2008 44 361 TotemBall 2006 44 363 Word Puzzle 2007 44 364 New Rally-X 2006 43 366 Tron 2008 43 368 Bliss Island 2008 42 369 Cyberball 2072 2007 41 371 Screwjumper! 2007 40 376 Rocky and Bullwinkle 2008 37 381 Yaris 2007 17 Feeding Frenzy Crystal Quest Texas Hold'em Contra Marathon Mad Tracks Geon: Emotions Arkadian Warriors Aegis Wing Spyglass Board Games Brain Challenge Tron NOTE: OPINION There's nowhere I can't reach.  |
Member 501 Level 30.26 Mar 2006
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Brain Challenge is getting delisted? I thought that was in the top 10 XBLA games?
Aegis Wing isn't available to us Brits so that's not a loss As of 5/12 Top Arcade Titles (Full Versions) 1 Assault Heroes 2 2 UNO 3 Brain Challenge 4 DOOM 5 N+ 6 Ikaruga 7 Wits & Wagers 8 Worms 9 Bomberman LIVE 10 Assault Heroes The above arcade list is based on full versions purchased. This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
Last edited by Bloggs; May 24, 2008 at 12:50 PM.
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Member 88 Level 16.94 Mar 2006
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My list doesn't take into account conversion rate, which only Microsoft has the numbers on.
Also, since it's going on conv. rate only and not sales, you could still see popular games getting canned if enough people downloaded the trial (but not full version). Unlikely, but going purely off their statement for delisting eligibility, it's possible. EDIT: Copy+Pasting the top 10 list also serves to show how pointless basing delisting off metacritic is. Who cares what websites rate games if the consumers are enjoying them. Stupid. How ya doing, buddy?
Last edited by Tube; May 24, 2008 at 12:58 PM.
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Sensors online. Weapons online. All systems nominal. Member 80 Level 56.91 Mar 2006
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Keep in mind that stuff like the auto demo download option would do nothing if not artificially drive down conversion rates.
I was speaking idiomatically. |
Member 267 Level 49.52 Mar 2006
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Well, you know, maybe they set it up so the auto download registers differently from a --
Who am I kidding, if they have to go in after the fact and delete shitty games they definitely didn't have the foresight to make the autodownload not affect a metric like conversions. What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now? |
Member 88 Level 16.94 Mar 2006
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Here is a cleaned-up and more focused list, for anyone who cares, which filters out games younger than 6 months and games with no conversion rate (free). I have conversion rates for all 2005-2006 games in an excel sheet somewhere, but beyond those, it's up to Microsoft to release the numbers.
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236 Robotron: 2084 2006 65 237 Bankshot Billiards 2 2005 65 238 Feeding Frenzy 2006 65 239 Dig Dug 2006 65 241 Ms. Pac-Man 2007 65 246 Gauntlet 2005 65 247 Crystal Quest 2006 64 248 Speedball 2: Brutal Deluxe 2007 64 256 Texas Hold 'em 2006 63 258 Fatal Fury Special 2007 63 260 Contra 2006 63 261 Marathon: Durandal 2007 63 264 Missile Command 2007 63 265 Time Pilot 2006 63 266 Track & Field 2007 63 267 Hardwood Backgammon 2005 62 270 Hardwood Spades 2005 62 271 Pac-Man 2006 62 273 Frogger 2006 62 274 Mad Tracks 2007 62 278 Root Beer Tapper 2007 61 281 Super Contra 2007 61 288 Geon: Emotions 2007 59 289 Soltrio Solitaire 2007 59 292 Arkadian Warriors 2007 59 295 Rush'n Attack 2007 58 298 Defender 2006 58 300 Double Dragon 2007 57 302 Xevious 2007 56 304 Gyruss 2007 56 310 Asteroids / Asteroids Deluxe 2007 55 312 Battlestar Galactica 2007 55 315 Centipede & Millipede 2007 55 319 Spyglass Board Games 2007 54 324 Tetris Splash 2007 53 328 Ecco the Dolphin 2007 53 338 Yie Ar Kung-Fu 2007 51 341 Wing Commander Arena 2007 51 342 Novadrome 2006 50 349 Shrek-N-Roll 2007 48 354 Scramble 2006 47 355 Tempest 2007 47 358 Street Trace: NYC 2007 45 363 Word Puzzle 2007 44 364 New Rally-X 2006 43 369 Cyberball 2072 2007 41 371 Screwjumper! 2007 40 Most amazing jew boots
Last edited by Tube; May 24, 2008 at 01:12 PM.
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