[Movie] Heroes

We already know that the father committed suicide. Mrs Petrelli gave up that story a while back, saying that the heart attacks were a cover up for his depressed condition, cause they didn't want Peter to know about it.

I think this all came out when Peter tried to 'commit suicide'/fly for the first time, but it might've been before that.

I was speaking idiomatically.

ooooh, right, now I remember that; but the mother seems to be a little shrweder than we were first led to believe. There might be more to the story. Remember her reaction to the news when Nathan found out he was Claire's father.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

He never managed to get the girl at the diner remember, Hiro went back in time and stopped that event from happening.

I just finished reading the latest graphic novel off the Heroes websight and it confirmes that Sylar DID get Charlie's (?) power of "recall". Hiro didn't prevent it.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Mohinder's Room: OSHI~ it's the number 23!

Anyway, Peter's beasting up. Also, lol Stan Lee.

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Stan Lee cameo FTW!!

Also, tonight's episode was awesome. Things actually moved forward quite a bit in certain areas.

The ending = crazy! Next episode = 20 questions, yay!

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You know, this show has you going "GOD DAMMIT" at the end of every episode not out of frustration, but just the fact that everything you see in the previews for next week, you wish happened this week, know what I'm saying?

FINALLY SOME ANSWERS ABOUT BENNET GOD DAMN FINALLY MOTHERFUCK.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

This show just gets better and better. And a Stan Lee cameo, great! Can't wait for the show to come out on DVD.

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Oh heck yes. FANTASTIC episode. Cleared up quite a few questions, and raised quite a few more, and left on an AMAZING cliffhanger that means yet another suspense-filled week.

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So now the question of what Peter took from Sylar is answered - we were all wondering whether he just stole his ability-eating power or if perhaps he took all of the powers Sylar had already acquired. Since Peter used telekinesis, we know that he took all the powers. That opens things up some.

Sylar's got a bit of a liability to deal with in his new power, which should be interesting. Still sad that Mohinder is too blind to see what is before his face, but whaddyagonnado.

Also interesting development between Claire and Mr. Bennett. Now he knows for sure that she knows, but was apparently slow to try to have her wiped again. And the questions that we'll hopefully have answered next week should be revelatory. I only hope that they don't take the opportunity to tease us with us, then show all Niki/Jessica story and put off the answers to the week after. I would cry.

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I would like to direct peoples' attention to a post I made back on October 29th.

In this post, I said the following thing:

Originally Posted by Me

In Episode 3, Mohinder is seated at his desk when the door knocks. The neighbor, Eden(?), comes in and sees Mohinder puts his gun away in the drawer.

In Episode 5, Mr. Bennet and the Unnamed Man escort Nathan Pitrielli outside. During this scene, Mr. Bennet is holding a gun that's a perfect match to the one Mohinder had in his apartment. I couldn't tell you the make or caliber, but studying several still frames showed that they were indeed identical models.

This gun is significant because it's also the same model that Hiro found on the floor of Isaac's studio in Episode 2. It was apparent that Sylar had come to visit Isaac. Whether Isaac or Sylar owned the gun is uncertain, but it's certainly curious because it could hold the key to unravelling the motives of either Mr. Bennet or Eden, the neighbor.

I am feeling pretty darn good right now. I knew that gun was significant. It's appeared numerous times.

1: Mohinder hid it in his desk right after Eden saw the gun.
2: Hiro found the gun laying beside Isaac's dead body after mistakenly teleporting to the future.
3: Mr. Bennet had the gun when he and the Haitian Man attempted to abduct Nathan Pitrelli.
4: Eden attempted to use the gun to persuade Sylar to kill himself, then turned it upon her own head in defense.
5: Mr. Bennet gave the gun to Isaac in case Peter Pitrelli should come to visit.

So now we know how the gun arrived at Isaac's apartment. It's turned out to be a critical item that provides a reference of time for certain events. Unfortunately, this means that Hiro's vision of the future seems destined to come true despite everyone's efforts. How long will it be before Mohinder pays another visit to Isaac's place, with Sylar in tow?

Here's a thought.

Hiro teleported into the future from his present-time in Japan. This is how he acquired the comic book and saw Isaac's dead body. Physically, Hiro was present in Isaac's apartment on that day in November, as the explosion went off.
This day is rapidly approaching in "present-time". And I'm wondering if it will create a paradox. See, Hiro was in that apartment at that time. However, when the time comes around again, where will Hiro be? And if he's somewhere else, how is that even possible? How can Hiro exist in two places at the same time? Furthermore, what would happen if Hiro were to arrive at Isaac's apartment at the time of the explosion again, and run into himself? He knows when and where his past-self will be intersecting his present existence.

Another idea: What if Hiro had jumped into the future and visited Isaac's apartment, but it turns out Hiro wasn't alone? What if Peter was there too, but invisible, so Hiro never detected anything? I don't know what this would affect, but it'd be cool anyhow.

And now a big question about Peter has been answered: Yes, he can absorb oowers that were stolen by Sylar. This means that Peter has telekinesis, rapid freezing, memory recall and Sylar's innate "analysis" power.
Given that Peter has absorbed Sylar's natural skill, this is probably how he's rapidly become able to selectively choose which power he manifests, and when. In the end, it's probably a good thing the two met, as Sylar's power might just allow Peter to figure out how to avoid exploding (presuming he still wants to avoid it.)

Also, Mohinder is pretty much the biggest retard on the show. I hope he either manifests a power (like his sister did - powers tend to run in families) or gets killed off. Sylar is pretty much spelling himself out to Mohinder and Mohinder can't see through shit.

At last there seems to be some convergence between the Heroes. A trio has gathered in the Bennet household. Many are concentrated in NYC at the moment. And the rest are centering around Las Vegas.
The only question is how Niki, D.L. and Micah still fit into all this. Their only connection to the plot is a history with Linderman and several brief run-ins with various, other heroes. As Hiro is moving toward Vegas to find his sword, I hope that he'll be the catalyst that brings the rest into some kind of forward plot movement.

And was that Hayden Pannetiere in the Neutrogena commercial?

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Yes, that was Hayden Pannetiere. Threw me for a loop, but apparently she's been doing the things for quite a while now. Or so say the girls I was watching with.

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Good call on the gun, Crash. I would dispute a point and bring up another one - we're not sure about the quick-learning ability, because it was never resolved (that I saw) whether Sylar got Charlie's power in the end - the reference to the brain tumor might mean that she died of natural causes. However, it's probably safe to assume that this is the case and Sylar has that one as well.

The point I want to bring up is the power of voice that Sylar used when he said "Murder" today and when Peter basically attacked Isaac. What was that? Have we seen any manifestation of that in the past?

Also, why must they keep killing off the attractive females? First Eden, then Simone.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Glad to see Peter controlling his powers now. Maybe he'll turn evil (with the dark colors and all) or turn good again, I just want to see him getting some more action!

BTW, Sylar does have the learning ability that he stole from Charlie (Hiro's dead girl.) It was also shown in the last comic along with the freezing powers.

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Basically, Sylar had to learn how to drive a truck and he remembered the powers he stole from Charlie. He read the manual, learned how to drive, and then used ice powers to make the roads slick to escape the cops.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Ok, I haven't kept up on the comics. That's very good to know, thanks. (:

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Fantastic episode, can't wait for next week. I really want things concerning Mr.Bennets motives cleared up a bit, so it should get interesting with the trio of heros in the Bennet residence.

I really didn't see that ending coming...

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Even though Issac is a major character of whom they've devoted alot of time to, I was starting to wonder if Peter might lose control and kill him. Should make for an interesting future between Issac and Peter with their hearts desire dead.

When/if Hiro ever grabs the sword from Linderman, I imagine we'll get to see the fullest extent of his powers (we got to see him manipulate things in 'real-time' this week), thus making him able to stop the mounting paradox you're referring to Crash. Hiro's powers could be limitless when controlling space and time, so I am very intrigued how that'll come out further in the show and how creative they'll be.

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I'd just like to point out that it seems Hiro can also center his power around an object, if you think about it.

Remember when that blonde bitch tried to shoot him? Hiro caused that bullet to go back into the gun...he reveresed time on the bullet itself, but NOTHING else...the guy still tackled the woman less than a second after she fired.


Loooool @ the car exploding during that fight.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I would like to direct peoples' attention to a post I made back on October 29th.

In this post, I said the following thing:



I am feeling pretty darn good right now. I knew that gun was significant. It's appeared numerous times.

1: Mohinder hid it in his desk right after Eden saw the gun.
2: Hiro found the gun laying beside Isaac's dead body after mistakenly teleporting to the future.
3: Mr. Bennet had the gun when he and the Haitian Man attempted to abduct Nathan Pitrelli.
4: Eden attempted to use the gun to persuade Sylar to kill himself, then turned it upon her own head in defense.
5: Mr. Bennet gave the gun to Isaac in case Peter Pitrelli should come to visit.

So now we know how the gun arrived at Isaac's apartment. It's turned out to be a critical item that provides a reference of time for certain events. Unfortunately, this means that Hiro's vision of the future seems destined to come true despite everyone's efforts. How long will it be before Mohinder pays another visit to Isaac's place, with Sylar in tow?

Here's a thought.

Hiro teleported into the future from his present-time in Japan. This is how he acquired the comic book and saw Isaac's dead body. Physically, Hiro was present in Isaac's apartment on that day in November, as the explosion went off.
This day is rapidly approaching in "present-time". And I'm wondering if it will create a paradox. See, Hiro was in that apartment at that time. However, when the time comes around again, where will Hiro be? And if he's somewhere else, how is that even possible? How can Hiro exist in two places at the same time? Furthermore, what would happen if Hiro were to arrive at Isaac's apartment at the time of the explosion again, and run into himself? He knows when and where his past-self will be intersecting his present existence.

Another idea: What if Hiro had jumped into the future and visited Isaac's apartment, but it turns out Hiro wasn't alone? What if Peter was there too, but invisible, so Hiro never detected anything? I don't know what this would affect, but it'd be cool anyhow.

And now a big question about Peter has been answered: Yes, he can absorb oowers that were stolen by Sylar. This means that Peter has telekinesis, rapid freezing, memory recall and Sylar's innate "analysis" power.
Given that Peter has absorbed Sylar's natural skill, this is probably how he's rapidly become able to selectively choose which power he manifests, and when. In the end, it's probably a good thing the two met, as Sylar's power might just allow Peter to figure out how to avoid exploding (presuming he still wants to avoid it.)

Also, Mohinder is pretty much the biggest retard on the show. I hope he either manifests a power (like his sister did - powers tend to run in families) or gets killed off. Sylar is pretty much spelling himself out to Mohinder and Mohinder can't see through shit.

At last there seems to be some convergence between the Heroes. A trio has gathered in the Bennet household. Many are concentrated in NYC at the moment. And the rest are centering around Las Vegas.
The only question is how Niki, D.L. and Micah still fit into all this. Their only connection to the plot is a history with Linderman and several brief run-ins with various, other heroes. As Hiro is moving toward Vegas to find his sword, I hope that he'll be the catalyst that brings the rest into some kind of forward plot movement.

And was that Hayden Pannetiere in the Neutrogena commercial?

Hey, I'm sorry I didn't read your previous post, dude. I noticed the very same clue (the infinity gun) back when Eden shot herself, but I didn't write about it until later on. I guess there are other people who are just as keen to detail as I am. ^^

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First off, wow I've been watching this series since it started and can't believe I didn't think to check this area of the forums for a thread on it

This series has single handedly managed to cause me to lose sleep because it keeps my mind whirling so much after each episode ends.

Originally Posted by Drex

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The point I want to bring up is the power of voice that Sylar used when he said "Murder" today and when Peter basically attacked Isaac. What was that? Have we seen any manifestation of that in the past?

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There have been manifestations of that in the past from Sylar. The most recent one was when he attacked Mrs. Bennet. After knocking her down to the floor and approaching her he said "hi" in that really deep, evil sounding voice. At that point Mr. Bennet and the Hatian burst through the door with a well aimed shot at Sylar.

The other one that I know of offhand is when Peter is asleep dreaming in the police cell after having been arrested for the suspected murder of Jackie Wilcox. His brother Nathan enters and supposedly wakes him up. He starts talking to Nathan about how he wants to save the world, but doesn't feel like he'll be able to. Nathan then whispers in his ear "That's because you can't". Peter looks away and the camera pans Nathan out of view. Then another voice is heard: "How can you stop what's coming?" As Peter looks back over he sees Sylar sitting next to him instead. Sylar finishes with the evil voice coming through saying: "When you don't know anything about power." At that point Peter wakes up from the nightmare.

It's really hard to tell what's happening there. It's almost like another persona, but it's hard to tell since it's nothing like the whole Niki/Jessica split personality thing. As far as I can tell, it's as if the person's darkest side is coming through there. The wiki on the Heroes website so far makes no mention of this voice either.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

About Peter's powers:

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At first, I thought that Peter couldn't absorb any power that Sylar had stolen, and for a reason. The reason being that this would make them have different powers since Peter, obviously, wouldn't be able to get the powers that Sylar got because Sylar kills his victims off. However, seeing as Peter actually CAN get the powers that Sylar stole, this makes Peter a lot more powerful than Sylar. Boring, IMO.

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Except that Sylar's still building powers, and knows at least in some measure how to control them - it looks like Peter doesn't entirely understand the stuff that he's got from Sylar. And they seem best accessible to him when he's pissed and aggressive, since that's how he felt with Sylar around. I dunno - they're going to have some way to balance it, I'm sure.


On another note, do we know what power allowed Sylar to not get killed by bullets?

I was speaking idiomatically.

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It's possible that at the time he did not have a sufficiently high level of control over his telekinesis to immobilize them, so he merely slowed down their impact. Other than that, I have no idea. Maybe he ate somebody that has really tough skin (like Luke Cage from Marvel Comics).

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

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He gets at least thrown back by the bullets that Mr. Bennett fires after Sylar attacks his wife, though, too. So that's twice he's been hit by bullets and come out essentially unscathed. Hmm. I wonder how you kill him?

The thick skin would be sweet. =D

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I wonder what would happen if Slyar took Niki's power. Would he get super strong like Jessica, or would he gain a split personality. Does Niki actually HAVE a power, or would Slyar have to kill her when she is "Jessica" to get the power? OR is Niki like Peter used to be and has access to her super strength at all times, but only seems to use it when she is Jessica.

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Originally Posted by parKbench

I wonder what would happen if Slyar took Niki's power. Would he get super strong like Jessica, or would he gain a split personality. Does Niki actually HAVE a power, or would Slyar have to kill her when she is "Jessica" to get the power? OR is Niki like Peter used to be and has access to her super strength at all times, but only seems to use it when she is Jessica.

Niki actually has the super strength. Two or three episodes ago it showed her being subdued by guards, and she was about to get hit with a night stick, caught it, broke it in half, and that was that. The reason behind it was Niki looked astonished that she actually did that herself.

Jessica, on the other hand, has a power that seems almost unexplainable...either she can take over one's mind or who knows...possess them or something.

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I hope I don't sound annoying when I keep bringing up the comics to answer some questions.

But Sylar did get hit by the bullets that Mr. Bennet shot at him (when he was about to kill Mrs. Bennet, but was stopped by Haitian and Bennet.)

You've guess right, it was shown in a comic (the same comic that Sylar mentioned about having Charlies power and also using ice powers.)

There is a frame of him by a dumpster near a gas station where he ran away to. There's blood on him and a handy sewing kit nearby that he used to stitch himself up. Maybe his "knowing how things work" teaches him to be a doctor too.

But there is some inconsistency in the show, where he doesn't show any signs of pain from the bullets.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

I hope I don't sound annoying when I keep bringing up the comics to answer some questions.

But Sylar did get hit by the bullets that Mr. Bennet shot at him (when he was about to kill Mrs. Bennet, but was stopped by Haitian and Bennet.)

You've guess right, it was shown in a comic (the same comic that Sylar mentioned about having Charlies power and also using ice powers.)

There is a frame of him by a dumpster near a gas station where he ran away to. There's blood on him and a handy sewing kit nearby that he used to stitch himself up. Maybe his "knowing how things work" teaches him to be a doctor too.

But there is some inconsistency in the show, where he doesn't show any signs of pain from the bullets.

He probably read how to stitch himself up in a book somewhere. Having the power to learn stuff he read almost instantly, he should be able to get a doctor's degree in no time if he so wishes.
I don't know about the pain part, but you could always take the easy way out and say that he understands how pain works and knows how to work around it.

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Why was the super-hearing giving Sylar such problems after he stole it? I thought he knew how things and powers worked, but he seemed to have trouble controlling the power. I don't remember him ever having any problems like that with the other powers that he stole.

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So, at the end of episode 15, we saw that Mrs Bennet couldn't remember anything, and was freaking out. However... after Claire grabbed Lyle and brought him downstairs, she seemed perfectly fine. What actually happened there?

I know it should SEEM obvious, but in the shot where Mrs Bennet freaks out, you see food all over the kitchen, in various states of preperation, but in the next scene where she's fine, the kitchen is all clean.

About Hayden Pannetiere, I also discovered that she voiced Kairi in the Kingdom Hearts series. I think I already knew that from seeing the game's credits, but I didn't know who she was at the time.

I was speaking idiomatically.