[Movie] L O S T [possible spoilers]

Originally Posted by Mouthful of Pirates

Over the past few days there've been a bunch of preview events where people got to watch tomorrow's episode, and as a result there are summaries and shit online now. Be warned.

General opinion is that it's supposedly one of the most rewarding episodes of the series and nobody has anything bad to say about it. Keeping my hopes up.

If anyone talks about this before tomorrow, then, could they please warn us... not just with the standard spoiler tags? I REALLY don't want it ruined...

...I've got this lofty goal of watching as much of the series as I can before Sunday. I'm well into half of season 1. It is AMAZING how much you catch when you go back and watch. I'm becoming more and more convinced that the plot actually WAS all planned out from the beginning now... There's no way it can all be coincidental.

I hope tomorrow night is super awesome. It kind of has to be, seeing how Sunday's finale is right around the corner.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

It is AMAZING how much you catch when you go back and watch. I'm becoming more and more convinced that the plot actually WAS all planned out from the beginning now... There's no way it can all be coincidental.

What sorts of things are you catching? I haven't rewatched from the beginning in so long.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Just in this episode I'm on now (Michael's flashback), when he looks in the box that his ex-wife left for Walt, they do a pan up of the camera so that the ceiling is visible... and it's pretty much the outline of the Dharma logo. I wish I could get a screen shot for you. I'll see what I can do - I'd have to break out the DVDs.

That's just one example that I remember off-hand. I see things here and there. I was thinking of taking notes, just to see what gets resolved on Sunday and what DOESN'T.

One of the things no one has mentioned that had been bothering me for a LONG TIME, but I thought I may had made up until now: the beach. The tide coming in and taking out the fuselage and all that shit. Jack and Sayid talk about how strange that is, and how everything on the island is soooo bizarre. I don't think they ever really addressed this. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

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Yeah, Sass, I'm planning on buying a box set once the show's finished and gradually watching through the series again. The Adam and Eve thing in particular has whet my appetite for discovering long-term plans evident (or at least insinuated) in the first couple of seasons. Except I might skip a few of the cage episodes in season 3, the only part of the series I don't have fond memories of...

I'm very excited about tomorrow's episode now. The sneak peek videos on youtube seem interesting; then again, I said the same about last week's.

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Personally, I'm not at all convinced that they thought up all this shit from the start. Which is fine. I just wish they wouldn't try and convince us that they did. The whole Adam and Eve reveal last week just felt kinda meh because they built it up as being one of the biggest reveals of the series, and claimed that when they reveal the Adam and Eve secret, it will show just how much was actually planned from the beginning. I call bullshit.

The biggest problem is just how vocal Damon and Carlton have been with all the podcasts and interviews and shit. They continually say how the show should/will speak for itself but all they do is speak for it every week. They set themselves up for failure when they talk about the show. Their radio silence should have begun years ago.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I was under the impression that they threw the mythos together and developed an outline for the rest of the show once they realised that they had a huge hit on their hands and that it wouldn't be cancelled after its first season. Pretty sure they said in a recent interview that everything's been set in stone since about halfway through the third season (when they announced that 2010 would be its end date).

As long as it all comes together in the end, the make-it-up-as-you-go-along ethos doesn't bother me in the slightest. This is why Battlestar Galactica ultimately wound up pissing me off — they were winging it all the way into the last couple of episodes, and left so many goddamn loose ends that they felt that a spinoff series and a clusterfuck of a TV movie were necessary to keep things coherent. (The movie accomplished the exact opposite of what they intended, and I haven't bothered watching Caprica at all yet.)

Anyway. As soon as tonight's ep is done airing in the states I'm staying away from forums and the like until I've watched it.

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Originally Posted by Mouthful of Pirates

I haven't bothered watching Caprica at all yet.

Yeah, save your time. It's fucking horrible.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Copy/paste from a member at a Lost forum:

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It's really very simple. The man without a name wanted to get off the magical island he was born on to see the real world he was told didn't exist with the help of a wooden wheel that was built by visiting Romans to harness exotic matter and send the person who turns it to the desert in Tunisia while creating a spherical purple dome that sends the other people on the island back in time but he was turned into a smoke monster because his twin brother threw him into a cave filled with magical light a little of which exists in every man for killing their mother who wasn't really their mother but did kill their real mother which eliminated the protector of the island so the slow brother that threw him into the light then became the new protector and vowed never to let his evil brother leave the island and that he would prove to him not all people are bad people so for 2000 years he kept that vow with the help of an immortal Latin man from the Canary islands whose slave ship crashed into an Egyptian statue and a group of people he led there by touching them when they were children, using magic numbers, and corralling them all into a plane which was destined to crash that was comprised of a spinal surgeon, a murderous criminal, and a con man all engaged in an endless love quadrangle with a fertility specialist and an Iraqi torturer who falls for a spoiled diva, her incestuous step-brother who was the chief operating officer of a wedding clothing subsidiary, a junkie British rock star, a pissed off female Latino cop, a pregnant Australian woman who wants to give her baby up for adoption, a wealthy Korean heiress and her corporate hitman husband, a white dentist and his African American cancer patient wife, a teacher, a priest who formerly dealt drugs in the Africa, a TV star and her chef lover, a lottery winning fat dude, and some black guy and his son but after mingling with a crazy French woman and a one eyed Russian with his cohorts that consisted of a gay guy, a compulsive liar, and the aforementioned fertility specialist for 108 days and pushing a button every 108 minutes some of them decided to leave the island on a helicopter because mercenaries from a freighter were trying to kill them but they eventually decided to come back by crashing on another plane using coordinates to locate the mysterious moving land mass that they got from an old omniscient woman with a pendulum in the basement of a church and they wound up time traveling to 1977 where they worked for hippy scientists when a physicist whose brain had been damaged by radiation recommended they detonate a hydrogen bomb built by the American military which they did and it sent them back to the future where the no name brother monster took the form of a dead paraplegic and systematically manipulated them all along into to killing each other by getting them to set off plastic explosives hidden in a backpack while submerged in a submarine so that he could use a Scottish man who is immune to electromagnetism that was brought there by his rich father in law that also used to live there and his team of geologists to destroy the source and sink the island but he'll wind up failing and everyone will go to a concert.

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I think that's a pretty fair and accurate summary.

I wasn't terribly crazy about tonight's episode. It's too little, too late. Now there's the season finale.

I was speaking idiomatically.

As the series is winding down, I can't say I'm disappointed. My expectations of it as a mystery to be unraveled were never high, but I've always appreciated it as an amalgamation of genres and themes. I'm also a fan of ambiguity in tales and letting the audience work specifics out for themselves. And whether things are coming to a head the way they are because the writers felt backed into a corner or because they're staying true to atmosphere the show has had from the beginning, it's ending fittingly from my viewpoint. However, the comedy in the convoluted narrative is obvious.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Haven't watched Lost since the first season and reading that summary makes me very, very happy I didn't continue.

Plot sounds like random words they picked together from dictionary.

FELIPE NO

A very satisfying episode, no real complaints. Nothing extraordinary but it felt like a good prelude to the finale overall. I loved seeing Danielle again, that was tops. Ana Lucia too for some reason (she's such an asshole in every context). And Desmond; oh Desmond I didn't think you could get any cooler jeez. I wonder if Richard's dead though, and if so, how.

As for that post Uzuki quoted, I don't know, isn't a "pendulum in the basement of a church" a bit farfethced?

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One of my questions is this: what did The Man In Black do to Sayid that caused him to come back to life...and, aside from probably being blown to smithereens, would anything have stopped him from coming back to life again? Whatever this "darkness" or "sickness" is better be explained.

And what the fuck was the point of Dogen, Lennon and the Temple? Why were they protecting it, what was so special about it, why and when did it stop being special, why did The Man in Black even care about assailing it, and why doesn't he care about it now (aside from the fact that he flushed it out)?

I wouldn't say yesterday's episode was a "doozy" as Sass was expecting. However, I am curious to see if Desmond's actions in the alternate timeline will have any resolving impact on the actual timeline (that seems to be what they're leading too).

I also think that destroying the island is probably not what TMIB really wants to do, but if we're looking at this whole plotline from the viewpoint of people who've been watching a show for years, destroying the island is likely going to lead to a disappointing series finale. "Hey guys, guess what? IT HAPPENED, BUT NOW IT'S ALL MOOT. Thanks for watching!"

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Did anyone else feel gypped by last night's episode?

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I'm a little burned that the whole "who wants to take over" schtick was resolved in, like, 2 seconds. Six years of watching in something that could have taken 2 seconds. FUCK Jacob.

And "Oh, yea, I crossed off your name because you became a mother, Kate. But hey, that doesn't matter, want the job anyways?" SO WHAT WAS THE POINT OF THE LIST IF YOU WERE GOING TO MAKE IT OPEN SEASON, YOU FUCKWIT.

I'm also a little confused. Jacob is dead, right? And, I mean, that... kind of... defeats the purpose.... what the fuuuuuck guys

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish

One of my questions is this: what did The Man In Black do to Sayid that caused him to come back to life...and, aside from probably being blown to smithereens, would anything have stopped him from coming back to life again? Whatever this "darkness" or "sickness" is better be explained.

And what the fuck was the point of Dogen, Lennon and the Temple? Why were they protecting it, what was so special about it, why and when did it stop being special, why did The Man in Black even care about assailing it, and why doesn't he care about it now (aside from the fact that he flushed it out)?

My personal opinion on this temple farce is that it was built to protect the 'lifestream' as it were of the island, you know, the mystical gold river of fairies and dancing and prancing. I don't know where the two are located relative to each other, but I get the feeling that pool of water was the centre attraction of that temple. Given the monster flew out from the source in early AD, one can assume it's somehow connected to it.

When they entered that pool room in the temple to revive Sayid, Dogen or Lennon remarked that the water was dark, suggesting it's usually in a pure state and usually has the capacity to restore life. With Jacob dead it is likely the pureness of this water was tarnished, Sayid being brought back to life somehow by the Man in Black. In this sense, the 'sickness' is likely an influence over a person by dark forces dictated by MiB.

But really the temple thing was a very messy addition to the plot, and should never be mentioned again.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I haven't watched Lost since some of them got off the island at the end of season 3/beginning of season 4, and it sounds like I quit at a good time. I've sort of kept up with this thread since then to check up on how things were wrapping up. Stuff like this temple guarded by a samurai and John Lennon makes it sound like the writers started throwing darts at a board of random ideas for things to cram in just to make the show weirder.

Originally Posted by Mouthful of Pirates

(The movie accomplished the exact opposite of what they intended, and I haven't bothered watching Caprica at all yet.)

What Zinc said. I watched the first two episodes because nothing else was on at the time, and it's boring as hell. Maybe 2 minutes of neat original Cylon stuff and the rest is all boring soap opera crap that barely even makes sense.

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I feel somewhat neutral about this week because it felt like an incomplete episode and more of a build towards the end. I'm leaning more towards "like," though.

Spoiler:

This episode featured some of the best Ben moments of the whole series. His subtle hint of sadness/pride when Rousseau (woohoo!) said that he's like a father to her, juxtaposed almost immediately with some truly heinous, evil deeds show just how terrific Michael Emerson is. The best moment was when he offed Widmore (did NOT expect that to happen) and said "he's not allowed to save his daughter." Fucking EPIC moment.

Speaking of which, I'm happy that the useless-as-fuck bow-legged moron Zoe got killed in a brutal way, though I now bemoan the probable lack of a hardcore reverse cowgirl sex scene between her and Sawyer. Come on, a man can dream, right?

Jack is the new Jacob. Glad they didn't waste a fuckload of time with that inevitable reveal and instead just got right down to business. I hope to see Jacob again on Sunday but am not going to be heartbroken if I don't see him anymore.

Sideways Hurley is 100% in on the mystery along with Desmond. Interesting.

If Alpert is dead, I will *never* forgive the writers for making his death completely and utterly inconsequential. That would be a MASSIVE fail.

Flocke wants to destroy the island. I love it. Finally some long-term seasonal conflict has been introduced this season... It only took 16 episodes for them to introduce it.

I predict that Ben is going to play a larger role as the villain on Sunday. He's certainly reverting to his old ways and even though it was a rather quick shift, unlike a lot of character changes on this show, I believed it. Mostly because Ben is one of the most interesting and well-written characters on the show.

We're in the home stretch now. Not much to speculate on on my end because all will be revealed on Sunday. I hope.

Fingers are crossed for a mindblowing finale.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Muzza

With Jacob dead it is likely the pureness of this water was tarnished

Is he even dead though? Y'know, considering

Spoiler:

we just saw him alive. Plus, he's been scampering around the island as a little kid taunting TMIB off and on for most of the season.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I called it.

Linus is like Snape. Everyone thinks he's a bad guy until the very end where he will do something heroic (like sacrificing his life for the greater good) to atone for his sins (death of his daughter).

Or not.

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I very much hope Richard is still alive, but considering how many people have been dying over such a short period of time, I wouldnt be surprised if they rushed it in like that.

It really sucks they downplay the deaths now. Take lapitus for example, we didnt even saw him dying he just said something like "oh shit" and that was the last we saw of him. Same can be said about a lot of deaths recently.

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Originally Posted by Xellos

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I very much hope Richard is still alive, but considering how many people have been dying over such a short period of time, I wouldnt be surprised if they rushed it in like that.

It really sucks they downplay the deaths now. Take lapitus for example, we didnt even saw him dying he just said something like "oh shit" and that was the last we saw of him. Same can be said about a lot of deaths recently.

Yeah, Juliet is the character who got the best send-off really (Widmore's was good too, in my opinion). This haphazard treatment of character deaths can largely be attributed to the flimsy writing and pointlessness of many episodes in the middle of the season. With a bit more fine-tuning, so much more substance could have been added. A damn shame, really.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Juliet's send-off was brilliant... Until they kept her alive TWICE.

Seriously, when she fell down that shaft... Sorry, when she was PULLED down that mine shaft, I completely lost it. I haven't bawled like that watching a show since the Six Feet Under finale. But then when they cut back to her being alive... Ugh, it just ruined it for me. Completely. And then they made it even worse in the season 6 opening when she's STILL alive after detonating the bomb (maybe? who knows, this hasn't been addressed yet), and the shaft is only like 10 feet deep.

They took a beautiful and heartbreaking death scene and pissed on it twice if you ask me.

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Oh man, I completely forgot about that, oh dear. I was referring to the bomb 'death' (I had no problem with her still being alive after the fall), I forgot she didn't die until later. I remember now, just before dying she told Sawyer 'It worked'...

OK, add that to the List of Haphazardness.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

So I guess Matthew Fox accidentally made direct eye contact with the camera last episode.



Which drove someone to make an animated gif of the scene.

Spoiler:

"Jack is tickled over your idiocy and then immediately disgusted."

And playing it in reverse ranks among one of the creepier things I've seen.



Jesus.

Spoiler:

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Originally Posted by Muzza

I remember now, just before dying she told Sawyer 'It worked'...

Actually...

Originally Posted by from Lostpedia

When a heavy metal beam is removed, Sawyer then manages to dig into the rubble and locate her. She asks where they are and Sawyer says not to worry about that and that he will get her out of there. She says "It didn't work. We are still on the island". Sawyer cradles her and Juliet mumbles about purchasing a cup of coffee and going Dutch for it before asking Sawyer to kiss her. The two kiss and Juliet says "I have to tell you something. It's very very important". But, before she is able to say anything, Juliet dies.

Then:

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Sawyer, desperate to find out what Juliet had to say before she died asked Miles to stay with him and assist in her burial. After he helps Sawyer to bury Juliet, Miles realizes what he is really there for and when Sawyer grapples with him he reluctantly communes with her last thoughts. He reveals to Sawyer that Juliet's last thoughts were that "It worked".

So, uh...what? I guess one theory is that Sawyer and Juliet will meet in the alternate timeline (probably in the last episode) and she was having flashes between the alternate and actual timelines..

I was speaking idiomatically.