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CuteChocobo · 06:11 AM

Here are many side quest to be done, IF you want to 100% game completion... As it said before about the summons, but also gambit moves, equipments and others...

So I think I might clock this game over 100+ hrs easily with out even getting close to 100% >_< (Still have many summons missing

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Oh! Also my friend had finished the game already, and for those who are wondering about the impact of the ending he said (sic. trans from Japanese) "FFXII is an Epic game, the ending just blowed me away! Luckily I save near the end, coz I want to see it again!" I can't wait until the ending too

Might contain hint for the ending:

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Craze · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 07:17 PM

Hmm, guess your friends just played through the game without completing the side quests then?

Spoiler:

Sorry it wasn't any help Hunter, if I come across better scans I'll let you know.

I was speaking idiomatically.

CuteChocobo · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 08:04 PM

Heh, I was talking to him on phone just then so I asked him the question you asked! He said that he completed almost ~90% of the game, only the troublesome side quests and a few other optional skills are missed! His clock hits 138 Hrs since the first day release @ 10am until yesterday.

Hmm, don't understand your spoiler's question >_<

My Personal interpretation of your question with answer:

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Spatula · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 07:24 AM

Interesting. So this time the time clock goes over 99'99"? So far I don't think my other FFs have gone that far, but then again I really don't care about sidequests.

FELIPE NO

Craze · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by CuteChocobo

Heh, I was talking to him on phone just then so I asked him the question you asked! He said that he completed almost ~90% of the game, only the troublesome side quests and a few other optional skills are missed! His clock hits 138 Hrs since the first day release @ 10am until yesterday.

Hmm, don't understand your spoiler's question >_<

My Personal interpretation of your question with answer:

Wow, 138 hours without completing sidequests is considered pretty long! Although from what I've seen so far it doesn't look like a very long game...

About the spoiler..

[spoile]Sorry for being so unclear. Yeah, I meant what happened to each character at the end. I understand romance and love relationships aren't the main concern in FFXII, but I'm just curious since I've heard few things

[/spoiler]

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Simo · Mar 23, 2006, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by Spatula

Which is what Simo is so proud to display in his avatar description ^__^!!

Sup Simo.

Also, what order are the ratings in for Famitsu? Ie. Gameplay, music, controls, visuals etc. I'm curious because this will obviously help me understand reviews better with the Famitsu system of rating.

They don't break down the game like that but rather post their final impressions with each of them reflecting what stood out best. Like I said earlier though, Famitsu's reviews are pretty much worthless because of their review system and how how biased they are to some franchises that they'll rate others harshly. The magazine is so respected and popular however because of their news and exclusives that their reviews are primarily a "go to" source in Japan.

Originally Posted by B4-Hunter

Anyone got his hands on Cover scan yet? I'm still looking for it. It was easier to find MGS3 SUB Existance Cover scan then FF XII =P.

As for the game it self I'm on 8:30+ and having a great fun with it =D

Sorry about that but maskrider never came back to me with the request. Also is it possible for you to refrain from putting location names in your sig for where you are in the game?

It'd probably be best for a seperate spoiler thread since some seem to be having trouble grasping how to use the spoiler code.....

Oh and according to GPara.com FFXII sold over 1.76 million copies in 3 days. Not a bad number at all especially considering how expensive it is in Japan.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Spatula · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by Simo

They don't break down the game like that but rather post their final impressions with each of them reflecting what stood out best. Like I said earlier though, Famitsu's reviews are pretty much worthless because of their review system and how how biased they are to some franchises that they'll rate others harshly. The magazine is so respected and popular however because of their news and exclusives that their reviews are primarily a "go to" source in Japan.

Oh so they DO do group think. How sad. Megalith has spoken the truth.

"ZOMG IT'S FROM SQUARE ENIX SO IT MMMMMMMMMMMMUUUUSSTTT BE MADE FROM GOD SAUCE AND WIN"

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Simo · Mar 23, 2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Spatula

Oh so they DO do group think. How sad. Megalith has spoken the truth.

"ZOMG IT'S FROM SQUARE ENIX SO IT MMMMMMMMMMMMUUUUSSTTT BE MADE FROM GOD SAUCE AND WIN"

Yeah....unless it's FFVII: Dirge of Cerberus.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Spatula · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 08:37 AM

What reviews did DoC get? Again probably biased but oh well.

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Simo · Mar 23, 2006, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by Spatula

What reviews did DoC get? Again probably biased but oh well.

7/7/7/7.
7 being pretty much the equivalent to a 4 over here so usually when a game gets a 7 in Famitsu it usually means the game is shite even by their system.

No surprise their review for DoC didn't make press until 2 weeks after the game's release.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Spatula · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by Spatula

Interesting. So this time the time clock goes over 99'99"? So far I don't think my other FFs have gone that far, but then again I really don't care about sidequests.

Just to reask my question again, so the FFXII goes past 99 hours? Or I guess the players are just manually keeping track of the hours past the 99'99" mark?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Tequila · 01:59 PM

No, it goes beyond 99'99''... Judging by the displayed numbers, 999'99'' is the maximum, since every missing digit in the play time is displayed with a "0", so since there are three of them at the very start, it's more than likely that it doesn't cap at 99 hours. Oh, by the way, FFX didn't cap it there as well.

FELIPE NO

B4-Hunter · 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Craze

Hmm, guess your friends just played through the game without completing the side quests then?

Spoiler:

Sorry it wasn't any help Hunter, if I come across better scans I'll let you know.

It's ok. I only found one on with 150 DPI but still to small. Thanks anyway =)

Originally Posted by Simo

Sorry about that but maskrider never came back to me with the request. Also is it possible for you to refrain from putting location names in your sig for where you are in the game?

It'd probably be best for a seperate spoiler thread since some seem to be having trouble grasping how to use the spoiler code.....

Sorry for the sig. Just removed it. It's ok I asked him to but he don't want to scan it.

News:
Spoiler Thread and In Game Discussion Thread has ben made. Please all players and spoiler lovers move there. Thanks.

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Soldier · Mar 23, 2006, 03:51 PM

Thank god. I've generally been avoiding the last 2 or so pages of posts. I'm not sure how much has been given away, but with terms like "final boss" and so forth, I didn't want to take any chances.

I also think it's pathetic for anyone who looks up screens or info of the final boss. That's like getting a new book and flipping right to the end. Unless the final boss is one of those last minute creatures like FFIX's Necro, you're ruining the story by jumping ahead like that.

That said, I do have a few questions regarding the story, as long as I get some spoiler-free answers of course.

1. Usually in every RPG, there's always one or two characters who unfortunately have to take a backseat when the story picks up, removing any focus or development in their story. Examples include DQVIII's Angelo, FFIX's Freya, Xenogears' Rico, etc. Does the same apply to any of FFXII's characters, or is this a rare case where every character gets a proper amount of development and closure? Considering the small main cast, it shouldn't be too hard to do. But I have a feeling someone like Fran will get forgotten when the story progresses.

2. Speaking of the characters, who's the fan-favorite so far? I've been wondering myself which character I'll end up liking the most. Basch has a deliciously dark story about him, closely resembling FFT's Delita (not evil, but isn't afraid to take evil measures for the greater good). Ashe received a lot of praise in another forum when she was unveiled, in the hopes that she could be "the next Celes." This would be nice, since there hasn't been a lead FF heroine who has emotional depth AND is strong enough to take care of herself since Tifa. I really dig Penelo's design though, since it's cute. Plus I like how she and Vaan are already a couple before the game starts (hasn't been done since FFIV's Cecil and Rosa).

3. Finally, I wonder how far this FF pushes the envelope. FFT was pretty dark compared to other FF's, including a pretty graphic amount of violence (like the monster who sacrificed himself for the final boss by shoving his own claws into his stomach, releasing a huge gyser of bloodspray), along with other dark themes like betrayal, devil worship, and I think even implications of rape somewhere. How far does FFXII go? I'm hoping Square hasn't interfered with the story because they want to keep things relatively clean (there hasn't been a major death since Aerith, and that took a lot of persuading for them to approve).

I keep thinking about the shots that have Pennelo tied up while a group of orcs hover above her. Of course I doubt anything would actually happen, but I do wonder if they would at least imply if the orcs would do something to her. That's assuming if they would even want to do something like that to someone who's not from their species.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

B4-Hunter · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

1. Usually in every RPG, there's always one or two characters who unfortunately have to take a backseat when the story picks up, removing any focus or development in their story. Examples include DQVIII's Angelo, FFIX's Freya, Xenogears' Rico, etc. Does the same apply to any of FFXII's characters, or is this a rare case where every character gets a proper amount of development and closure? Considering the small main cast, it shouldn't be too hard to do. But I have a feeling someone like Fran will get forgotten when the story progresses.

As for characters in FF XII you have only main characters pushed to the first plan. You use tour team as an help in getting somewhere. Fran is not so pushed back as you think. It all depends on the way you look it.

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

2. Speaking of the characters, who's the fan-favorite so far? I've been wondering myself which character I'll end up liking the most. Basch has a deliciously dark story about him, closely resembling FFT's Delita (not evil, but isn't afraid to take evil measures for the greater good). Ashe received a lot of praise in another forum when she was unveiled, in the hopes that she could be "the next Celes." This would be nice, since there hasn't been a lead FF heroine who has emotional depth AND is strong enough to take care of herself since Tifa. I really dig Penelo's design though, since it's cute. Plus I like how she and Vaan are already a couple before the game starts (hasn't been done since FFIV's Cecil and Rosa).

Reks. I know we see him in game not much but he was one of my favorite so far. Besides I'm quite big in game girls lover so Fran would look awesome in playboy bunny costume =P

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

3. Finally, I wonder how far this FF pushes the envelope. FFT was pretty dark compared to other FF's, including a pretty graphic amount of violence (like the monster who sacrificed himself for the final boss by shoving his own claws into his stomach, releasing a huge gyser of bloodspray), along with other dark themes like betrayal, devil worship, and I think even implications of rape somewhere. How far does FFXII go? I'm hoping Square hasn't interfered with the story because they want to keep things relatively clean (there hasn't been a major death since Aerith, and that took a lot of persuading for them to approve).

No no it's simple MMORPG style game with monster apers after certain amount of time and after death they just vanish. No horror stuff actions =).

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

I keep thinking about the shots that have Pennelo tied up while a group of orcs hover above her. Of course I doubt anything would actually happen, but I do wonder if they would at least imply if the orcs would do something to her. That's assuming if they would even want to do something like that to someone who's not from their species.

Orcs? You mean SeeQ race or Bangaa? Look on it that way. It's Final Fantasy what could happen to her =D?

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Hello_Kitty · Local time: Mar 24, 2006, 12:01 AM

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

devil worship, and I think even implications of rape somewhere

yeah FF12 definately needs more tentacles :biggrin:

but i agree with you, i've only played the game for two hours i don't want to play the game in japanese but i've had a little feeling this FF is much more serious and adult as the other ones

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Soldier · Mar 23, 2006, 05:03 PM

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As for characters in FF XII you have only main characters pushed to the first plan. You use tour team as an help in getting somewhere. Fran is not so pushed back as you think. It all depends on the way you look it.

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No no it's simple MMORPG style game with monster apers after certain amount of time and after death they just vanish. No horror stuff actions =).

I don't think you understand my questions.

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B4-Hunter · Local time: Mar 23, 2006, 11:16 PM

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

I don't think you understand my questions.

Ohh well then sorry =(

I was speaking idiomatically.

Hello_Kitty · Local time: Mar 24, 2006, 12:42 AM

SOLDIER if you like FFT you will like FF12, as simple as that

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CuteChocobo · 09:56 PM

Umm, I think someone requested the English Song Lyrics right?

Well suprisingly enough my Jap friend noted down the lyrics from Jap version. So I thought might as well for me to do the english version

Here I am retyping everything down ^ ^

-----------------------------------
Kiss Me Goodbye - Angela Aki

You say my love is all you need
To see you through
But I know these words are not quite true
Here is a path you're looking for
An open door
Leading the world you long to explore
Go, If you must move on alone
I'm gonna make it on my own

Kiss me Good-bye, Love's Memory
Follow you heart and find your destiny
Don't shed a tear, for loves' mortality
For you put your dream in my reality

As times goes by I know you'll see this of me
I loved enough to let you go free
Go, I will give you wings to fly
Cast all your fears into the sky

Kiss me good-bye, love is mystery
All of my life, I'll hold you close to me
Don't shed a tear, for love's mortality
For you put the dream in my reality

Kiss me good-bye, love's memory
You put the dream in my reality
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There you have it, exactly as the ending song goes
*cries* such a moving and well composed song in this epic story~~

Double Post:
SORRY FOR DOUBLE POST, but both post seems long~
Lemme have an attempt at answering your question too ^ ^ But forgive me if I don't answer to your expectation and ya, no spoilers here

Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Thank god. I've generally been avoiding the last 2 or so pages of posts. I'm not sure how much has been given away, but with terms like "final boss" and so forth, I didn't want to take any chances.

Hehe you did a wise move, there are spoilers here and there however its not that obvious thou~

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I also think it's pathetic for anyone who looks up screens or info of the final boss. That's like getting a new book and flipping right to the end. Unless the final boss is one of those last minute creatures like FFIX's Necro, you're ruining the story by jumping ahead like that.

OMG FFIX boss is Necro, aww you ruined it for me >_< *sigh*
But yeah I tried to avoid those spoilers, but my Jap friends love to show off and send me emails even FAX me the pics of their findings... soo unavoidable~!

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1. Usually in every RPG, there's always one or two characters who unfortunately have to take a backseat when the story picks up, removing any focus or development in their story. Examples include DQVIII's Angelo, FFIX's Freya, Xenogears' Rico, etc. Does the same apply to any of FFXII's characters, or is this a rare case where every character gets a proper amount of development and closure? Considering the small main cast, it shouldn't be too hard to do. But I have a feeling someone like Fran will get forgotten when the story progresses.

Well there is no such RPG game that gives EVERY character an equal importance(development) in the story. Well I haven't play such RPG yet! However in FFXII most characters are developed nicely, background story and relationships are told through out the game. There are a few suprising relationships that just pops out from no where, but we, as a player, will just have to accept the fact >_< As for Fran, she can be said as a minor-importance character, but her history and involvement in the story is not ignored since she plays 2 major parts in the development in this story. Just other characters somehow seems to empowered her interms of plot. Battle-wise... hehe shes da best~

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2. Speaking of the characters, who's the fan-favorite so far? I've been wondering myself which character I'll end up liking the most. Basch has a deliciously dark story about him, closely resembling FFT's Delita (not evil, but isn't afraid to take evil measures for the greater good). Ashe received a lot of praise in another forum when she was unveiled, in the hopes that she could be "the next Celes." This would be nice, since there hasn't been a lead FF heroine who has emotional depth AND is strong enough to take care of herself since Tifa. I really dig Penelo's design though, since it's cute. Plus I like how she and Vaan are already a couple before the game starts (hasn't been done since FFIV's Cecil and Rosa).

My personal fav would be Basch so far, because of his background, VA, character desigh and all other factors. I think i know why Ashe is most ppls fav in the game, but telling you why may spoil it for ya.

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3. Finally, I wonder how far this FF pushes the envelope. FFT was pretty dark compared to other FF's, including a pretty graphic amount of violence (like the monster who sacrificed himself for the final boss by shoving his own claws into his stomach, releasing a huge gyser of bloodspray), along with other dark themes like betrayal, devil worship, and I think even implications of rape somewhere. How far does FFXII go? I'm hoping Square hasn't interfered with the story because they want to keep things relatively clean (there hasn't been a major death since Aerith, and that took a lot of persuading for them to approve).

Umm, this one is hard to answer, coz i can't really tell your measurement of 'dark'. However, if you are looking for unexpected twists, bribery, betrayl and other typical bad guys theme... well they are what FFXII pretty much revolve around with. But don't jolt your expection too high thou coz this is still Final Fantasy serie so the typical melodramatic scenes still occur.

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I keep thinking about the shots that have Pennelo tied up while a group of orcs hover above her. Of course I doubt anything would actually happen, but I do wonder if they would at least imply if the orcs would do something to her. That's assuming if they would even want to do something like that to someone who's not from their species.

Well lets just say that Penelo and Vaan are popular with the low class society, and they are like Robin Hood. I will leave the rest for you to imagine

I think my implication are stright forward enough *hehe*

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Inhert · Mar 23, 2006, 10:25 PM

wait wait... what? ok I know that I really didn't search and look at the story or anything really about story of FFXII, but Penelo and Vaan are a couple!!? lol I thought they were brother and sister XD well I think it's cool, we don't see that really often(that a character is already in couple with another main charater at the start of the game)

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Kensaki · Local time: Mar 24, 2006, 05:47 AM

The big question is will Vaan dump her for Ashe?(Don't ansver that) If so I'll be very dissepointed. Give us one FF without the two focal characters in the story have to end up as a couple...

Then again this is a Japanese game so meh.

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CuteChocobo · 11:10 PM

I am still quite unsure about the use of 'couple' coz in Japanese term they used in the game Vaan referred Penelo as "Childhood friend" but where Penelo said once that their relationship is like "Siblings".

So I guess they are relationship are strong, but probably not to the level of being a 'couple' yet. ^ ^

@Kensaki

Your question answered with a bit of ending spoiler - Read at your own risk -:

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Kensaki · Local time: Mar 24, 2006, 06:20 AM

I told you not to ansver that...

Now I had to watch to satisfy my curiousiy.:P Oh well it was kinda obvious.

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Jagged · Mar 24, 2006, 12:02 AM

Summon's List (Updated with better pics and a bit more info.)

Spoiler:

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