Best Anime Song Contest

Originally Posted by Sakabadger

Well, I don't see anything wrong with having just OP/EDs (or insert songs/image songs, etc) since, well, they tend to be the most identifiable themes of a series. Try to think of the music of any series and a vocal song of some sort probably comes to mind quickly.

On the other hand, there are (as mentioned) some great instrumental tracks which have just as big an impact on the viewer as the vocal songs. It'd be a shame not to include them.

My only concern is that it's going to be hard making one single nomination list for both vocal songs and instrumental tracks.

Do we only nominate VGM title tracks in the BSC because they are more memorable to people? In fact, we tend to nominate tracks from really obscure albums that most people aren't even familiar with so a melody being identifiable to the listener isn’t an issue there. I was under the impression that these types of contests were about comparing the musical merit of each track, and being introduced to new music; not the popularity of the series they were written for. I know I wouldn’t like to participate in a contest where I will only hear tracks from series I am already familiar with, it just wouldn’t be interesting.

So basically, I don't see why we should be enforcing a double standard when it comes to Anime soundtracks.

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I wouldn't mind a best song contest on just OP/ENs from anime, but I think Secret Squirrel's idea will work too. I just hope there is enough interest to start a BGM version of the contest.

Anyway, expect alot of J-Rock from me =D.

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Originally Posted by Excrono

Do we only nominate VGM title tracks in the BSC because they are more memorable to people? In fact, we tend to nominate tracks from really obscure albums that most people aren't even familiar with so a melody being identifiable to the listener isn’t an issue there. I was under the impression that these types of contests were about comparing the musical merit of each track, and being introduced to new music; not the popularity of the series they were written for. I know I wouldn’t like to participate in a contest where I will only hear tracks from series I am already familiar with, it just wouldn’t be interesting.

So basically, I don't see why we should be enforcing a double standard when it comes to Anime soundtracks.

You're taking me the wrong way. I'm not saying we should nominate only OP/ED tracks because they're easily identifiable -- rather, because they are easily identifiable, it's easy to nominate them. Isn't greater accessibility a good thing?

Furthermore, I never mentioned anything about a series' popularity so I am unsure where you pulled that out from.

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Originally Posted by Sakabadger

You're taking me the wrong way. I'm not saying we should nominate only OP/ED tracks because they're easily identifiable -- rather, because they are easily identifiable, it's easy to nominate them. Isn't greater accessibility a good thing?

Furthermore, I never mentioned anything about a series' popularity so I am unsure where you pulled that out from.

So the whole point of going OP/ED only is to nominate tracks most people will know/identify with? That kind of defeats the purpose of creating an interesting, varied contest and emphasizes series popularity over quality. As casual participants will recognize and nominate only what they are most familiar with, it will consist mainly of Bebop, Fullmetal, Eureka 7, etc.

But of course I could just be the only one who doesn't go with the grain.

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I'm thinking we should go with SS' idea and split it into 2 categories -- one for vocals (OP/ED/insert/image/etc), and one for BGM. They're too different to be judged side by side.

The downside of this is that the BGM contest will be inundated with Yoko Kanno and Yuki Kajiura nominations =p

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Originally Posted by Excrono

So the whole point of going OP/ED only is to nominate tracks most people will know/identify with? That kind of defeats the purpose of creating an interesting, varied contest and emphasizes series popularity over quality. As casual participants will recognize and nominate only what they are most familiar with, it will consist mainly of Bebop, Fullmetal, Eureka 7, etc.

But of course I could just be the only one who doesn't go with the grain.

That is not the whole point. But it is pretty inevitable, considering the calibre of Animespot. Not to mention that GFF's collective library of anime music is nowhere as expansive and varied as its VGM stash. Have you heard of Tsuneyoshi Saito? Mina Kubota? Kei Wakakusa?

As with any other contest, the more popular and familiar tracks will always win out. The most you can do is to throw in some of the more obscure compositions to give them exposure.

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Originally Posted by Excrono

So the whole point of going OP/ED only is to nominate tracks most people will know/identify with? That kind of defeats the purpose of creating an interesting, varied contest and emphasizes series popularity over quality. As casual participants will recognize and nominate only what they are most familiar with, it will consist mainly of Bebop, Fullmetal, Eureka 7, etc.

But of course I could just be the only one who doesn't go with the grain.

Look, I'm not really sure how you keep inferring from my statements that "IF IT'S POPULAR IT MUST BE GOOD," but I will say this: identifiability and being able to place the particular piece to a scene definitely accounts for something. Some songs only have as great an impact on you because you are able to recall the scene in which it was used, and thus you remember the various emotions you felt then as well.

Also, don't flatter yourself about not going "with the grain." There are a great many diverse arrangement of tastes here -- I doubt you'd find a single regular poster whose playlist consists solely of tracks from just the big-name series.

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Insofar as "going against the grain" goes, I remember similar concerns being brought up when Skate held the contest, namely, that Tank! and Cruel Angel's Thesis will be the top seeds in the first round brackets. Instead, popular sentiment went towards Sore Ga Ai Deshou (FMP Fumoffu) as the top song.

I wouldn't worry too much about only the popular series getting the nominations. I'm sure there will be a great deal of diversity if the last attempt at the contest is of any indication.

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Originally Posted by zzeroparticle

popular sentiment went towards Sore Ga Ai Deshou (FMP Fumoffu) as the top song.

Which is a great song by the way.

I'm not too worried about the diversity aspect of it. I'm sure there are plenty of people who realize it might be a "top anime" centered deal and purposefully nominate more obscure songs.

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Yeah, I definitely remember there was a diverse selection last time. I only really recognized maybe 20 or so of the songs and there weren't too many series dupes. I think seeing a lot of songs from the same series is much more unlikely than it would be for the VGM contest...Unless someone decided to go nuts with various Inuyasha/Naruto/Conan songs.

I see where both Excrono/Sakabadger are coming from. On one hand, diversity is good and tracks definitely need to stand alone to be considered good. On the other hand...A lot of OP/ED songs do lose something for me without the proper opening/closing sequence (much moreso than game music, since the music is timed with the animation). Obviously, more people have seen the more popular ones.

Maybe a solution would be to link to the actual OP/ED as a video (in addition to the main track). Through Youtube or something? Maybe do the same for BGM tracks (just show a scene where it plays). Just a thought.

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Hell yes! I already know what my nom would be...

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I think it's a good idea, and I agree with Saka about identifiable OP/ED. There are too much BGM that can be glossed over in series, and I'm afraid of the Yoko Kanno flood (although I wouldn't mind listening to her works). Although the OP/ED consists of Jpop, at the same time most people who watch these series have heard it 26 times through (unless they skip it) or have downloaded it. However a drawback to an OP/ED only contest is that there are unoriginal tracks like Franz Ferdinand's Do You Want To? (Paradise Kiss ED). Although the band is greatness themselves, we can't nominate songs like that, in my opinion.

One of the things I'm afraid of myself is nominating not so new series, simply because I'm not up to date with anime as I used to.

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I still think that there shouldn't be any restrictions to OP/ED. In addition to pretty much eliminating any chance of finding some good instrumental music (which would be of prime interest to me), there are some other factors to consider.

Take a look at the BSC. There's a lot of relatively unkown stuff circulating there, often side-by side with more popular material. People are re-exposed to songs they're familiar with, yes, but also to new and obscure tunes.

Restricting entrants to "recognizable" OP/ED would be like decreeing that only Squeenix music is eligible in the BSC. There's plenty of Squeenix anyway, despite no such rule (some of it very good), just as there'd be plenty of OP/ED in an anime contest, but to impose that limit seems like a bad idea.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Look, maybe I need to explain myself further. I am not saying we should or should not restrict a contest to OP/EDs or whatnot, or that only popular music should get in. Anyone who knows me realizes that the stuff I listen to is reasonably diverse in terms of popularity or obscurity.

What I am saying is chill out. People seem to be getting offended at the idea of a popular song making it, which I have no problem with. It's usually popular for a reason, right? All you have to do is nominate that which you like, and all will be fine.

Here's another nod in approval of separate OP/ED and instrumental track contests.

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Well even if we allowed both OP/ED and BGM music, I am pretty sure 80-90% of the nominated tracks would be OP/ED tracks anyway. Or at least that's what I think it will result in. When I'm looking in my ANIME folder which contains about 150 MP3s, I can only see a couple of BGM tracks.

I am still prefering SS's idea of splitting the contest, but I heard some pretty valuable arguments against that idea as well.

However, I don't think that another contest with 256 entries would be a good idea. That would just be too enormeous; I don't have anything against large contests, but I don't want people to lose interest in it, which will probably happen if we take the contest over two months.

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I like the idea, but I don't think we should split it into two contests. Making seperate contests for OP/ED and BGM is kind of like making two seperate contests for Main Themes and BGM in the Best Video-Game Song contest. Any song from an anime series should be fair game. If 80% of the nominations are OP/ED, then that's fine, it speaks for the community. The contest will reflect the ratio of OP/ED to BGM tracks according to their popularity anyway. Also, I think there are enough of us who are familiar with composers other than Yoko Kanno to include some lesser-known stuff.

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

However, I don't think that another contest with 256 entries would be a good idea. That would just be too enormeous; I don't have anything against large contests, but I don't want people to lose interest in it, which will probably happen if we take the contest over two months.

You know Mush, maybe one contest with 64 songs that are OP/ED/insert/etc and the other 64 with BGM would be ideal, or regulate the number at your taste; that way there's only one contest with two categories. I think that would be a good choice, and would definitely save you some trouble.

If that's not possible, count with my approval for separate contests.

Hopefully my suggestion helped. O=

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Yeah...YUki Kajiura and Yoko Kanno would indeed flood the contest. Then we'd need to pupm that all out, and it's messy @_@

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Anyone want to say Toshihiko Sahashi?

I'm sorry but I have my nominations ready if this ever comes. Some of them will be a nice shocker =)

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Originally Posted by Demon Arashi

Yeah...YUki Kajiura and Yoko Kanno would indeed flood the contest. Then we'd need to pupm that all out, and it's messy @_@

Nah not really, I mean, who would have thought that the Best Videogame Song Contest wouldn't be dominated by Uematsu, Hamauzu and Shimomura tracks? And, I mean, even if it's going to be the way you describe it, where's the big deal, see, if Yoko Kanno is considered the best anime music composed, then it's nothing but okay that her tracks are going to dominate the contest. Well, at least I do not really have a problem with that.

Well I think we should start nominations when the best videogame song contest is about to finish not to confuse people with too many contests We still have to figure out who's gonna organize this contest, though =/

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

if Yoko Kanno is considered the best anime music composed, then it's nothing but okay that her tracks are going to dominate the contest.

It's more a question of people not knowing of a lot of music beyond the basics than a question of whether Kanno's music is considered the best there is. This is the way it is though and it's to be expected that there will be more music by Kanno or Kajiura than by, for example Yuji Ohno, in the contest.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Ah well now that's not true. Everyone who's going to participate in this contest should know at least a few tracks beside the "basics". Maybe I am being too optimistic right here, but we'll see.

If I'm wrong, well, then I'm sorry you guys need to tell me what we can do about that. I mean, setting a limit of tracks by the same composer seems pretty much retarded to me.

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I'm actually surprised Joe Hisaishi's name hasn't been mentioned as a potential dominator here.

I'll be curious to see how a typical Kanno/Kajiura track does against a typical JPOP OP/ED.

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Fine: heres a list of decent anime composers:

Taku Iwasaki, Mark Mancina (one), Kotaro Nakagawa, Kou Otani (I know he spells it Kow, but that looks funny), Kohei Tanaka, ALI PROJECT (who is just weird sometimes), Tsuneyoshi Saito, Nagaoka Seikou, Naoki Sato

With already mentioned: Yuki Kajiura, Yoko Kanno, Joe Hisaishi, Toshiro Matsuda

And don't get me wrong, but I'm SURE you've never heard of some of those

Tons of vocalists who are good... and I mean tons (who did anime jpop):

angela, Sae, eufonius, kotoko, Porno Graffiti, Koda Kumi, Miyuki Hashimoto, yozuca, Mikuni Shimokawa, Asami Abe, Akino Arai, Mikio Sakai, Chihiro Yonekura, FLOW, Tatsuo Suzuki, Asami Izawa, Rie Tanaka, COACH, Yoko Ishida, Aya Hirano, Do as Infinity, Chihiro Onitsuka, Nami Tamaki, tiaraway, Eri Kawai, KEY, FictionJunction YUUKA (and the other small groups w/ Kajiura), See-Saw, AKINO, Kinya Kotani, Hitomi Takahashi, UVERworld, Mami Kawada, Romi Paku, Hoshi Souichiro, Asian Kung Fu Generation, Orange Range, TM Revolution, Every Little Thing, Younha, HIGH and MIGHTY COLOR, Michihiro Kuroda, savage genius...

Those are just quickly off my head...

By the way, I'm still looking for a quality anime music hub (VBR or CBR320). I find that WAY too often anime music is either ripped in 192kbps and 128kbps, and I like to keep my archive collection as high quality as possible. Anyone have some suggestions?

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Originally Posted by Musharraf

Ah well now that's not true. Everyone who's going to participate in this contest should know at least a few tracks beside the "basics". Maybe I am being too optimistic right here, but we'll see.

Agreed. I mean, going through this thread, most of the posts has either been "I know all these other composers" or "I'm worried that there's going to be a skew in the amount of music by Kajiura and Kanno". Thus, I think it's safe to say that the people that are going to nominate already knows "a few tracks besides the basics", as Mush puts it. I mean, if you didn't care about this contest, you wouldn't be posting in this thread to bounce ideas around, right?

Originally Posted by arch_slayer

ALI PROJECT (who is just weird sometimes)

What is "weird" about their music?

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Tons of vocalists who are good... and I mean tons (who did anime jpop):

I think we've pretty much established that getting an ample amount of vocal tracks isn't going to be a problem, so you don't need to worry about that.

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I think i've already named a huge list of perfect composers but anyway:


I always thought of Ali Project to be a little bit unique and different. I wasn't really a fan of Coppelia's Coffin but after that crap, they did a great job.

.hack//Roots (TV) : Music, Theme Song Performance (ED)
Avenger (TV) : Music, Theme Song Performance
Clamp School (TV) : Theme Song Performance (OP)
Maria-sama ga Miteru ~Haru~ (TV) : Theme Song Performance (OP)
Noir (TV) : Theme Song Performance (OP)
Rozen Maiden (TV) : Theme Song Vocals (OP)
Rozen Maiden: Träumend (TV) : Theme Song Performance (OP)
St. Luminous Mission High School (TV) : Theme Song Performance (ED)
Wish (special) : Theme Song Performance

They aren't that bad in the end. I usually see them and Kaijira working together. Its a good mix anyway.

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