Sonic dying a slow and painful death...

I echo the sentiment about the environments looking too real.

Half-Life 2: Episode 2
"Gordon Freeman joins forces with a big blue hedgehog in City 17 to deliver the final blow to the Combine."



Look, there's the Citadel looming up in the background. I thought that got destroyed?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Just what Sonic needs - generic FPS rundown-style backdrops. :doh:

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Monkey King

The breakdance-fighting isn't necessarily as bad as it sounds, though. It worked pretty well in Sonic Battle, surprisingly enough. I'm not the only person who played that, am I? Besides which, I'm quietly amused by the reimagining of Sonic as a hardcore wigger.

Actually if they do continue to "grow sonic up" that way, then in two years the duo of Sonic & Tails will talk like Bill & Ted and on the final level you have to "melvin" Robotnik. Followed by a Matrix clone.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

You all Sicken me!!!!.....because it's so true...

What kind of environments are these? It's a game about a blue hedgehog. I don't buy it for it to focus on realism because it already isn't like that. Sonic is suppose to be about fun "fantasyish" environments.

Does this display a focus on fantasy?

http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?page...64&mId=2851431

It makes me think of a war game. I'll just be happy if they have a carnival or night-time level.

I just love how they have all of these "Ghost in the Shell" robots. :eyebrow:

From the bottom of my heart. Just Die Sonic. You're as tired as Madonna.

Breakdancing...please. Sonic is going to go down in even more shame then he's in right now.

Too bad the kids eat this stuff up so that means there will be enough money for a sequel...

Double Post:

Originally Posted by Qwarky

Also of note for dejected Sonic fans, the new Sonic Rivals game for PSP looks similar to Klonoa in gameplay style (2D movement on 3D backgrounds), but the constant presence of a second character makes me think it's either multiplayer Sonic 2 style, or (worryingly) some kind of gimmick in the gameplay, say, constantly having to race another character through the stages or something.

Yeah, I saw that yesterday and I don't have high expectations for it.

Of course, there's going to be a new character in it. It's a hedgehog Princess who needs to get rescued (Dr. Eggman took her...what a creative storyline) because she know a secret or something.

There's also going to be a new Rival character. So, 2 new characters to shove down our throats.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by soniclover

Does this display a focus on fantasy?

http://www.1up.com/do/slideshow?page...64&mId=2851431

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Y'know, that's actualy one of the more decent looking shots of the game. Only because it's the only shot that I've seen so far that shows Sonic's signature gold rings floating around. Which is the ONLY true Sonic-esque touch I've seen so far stamped on this instalment.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The rings don't make me believe the game will be any less real. I don't like the fact that they are going overboard on the realism. It's a game about a blue hedgehog! That alone already lost 10 realistic points.

And the robots are just boring. Again, it's not ghost in the shell. It's Sonic.

It makes me wish they'd at least keep some of the old characters like Rouge the Bat...wait, I take that back. They'd just have Shadow in the game shooting up things.

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You hear that? It's the sound of Sonic fanboys crying because they've outgrown Sonic! OH NOEZ!

Face it, Sonic's style has changed with his audience. We're outgrowing him because we were raised in 2-D land, and all 2-D efforts Post SA were little more than pandering-to-the-elder-fans efforts, even though Advance 3 and Rush were good. (Someone on this board told me that Advance 3 was Mario on fast forward. Which still makes no fucking sense to me.)

This game is truly impressive looking, although I'm weary of the Shadow the Hedgehog-esque looks around. Gameplay... I was impressed with SA2 and okay with Shadows, so if it's better than both of them I'll be amazed.

Breakdancing? Way to exaggerate and misinterpret screen shots guys.

Sonic: HEY DUDES I'm doing a sliding kick!

Robots: OH NOES HE'S GONNA BREAK DANCE *diez*

But also, Sonic Rivals looks to be made of lame and suck.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

hmm. This game looks good to me. I also heard a sonic game being made for the psp.

So this the infamous Sonic on the ps3.. This should be as good as the Adventure series, I hope. I never had a problem with any sonic games (of course Shadow the hedgehog) Rush did a good job, the Advance games had great music. Pretty much what all of you said.

Sonic still lives on not just for us old classic 2d-er's but for kids who are just getting to know about it. So we'll see , I guess. @.@

edit : and seriously, enough with the dull thread titles .

Jam it back in, in the dark.

How anyone can defend this new direction is beyond me... what happened to all the colour?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Grubdog

what happened to all the colour?

omg really good point! yeah what happen to them! well I never was a really big fn ofsonic but I did enjoy the first 3D sonic on the dreamcast but after that I think they did really improve the concept and was mostly the same thing. But yeah this was is really not going to help and even if the background look awesome (for any other type of game) that doesn,t really do good to sonic >.> I want all the flahys colors back and those little cute animal everywhere XD

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

No wonder I felt Shadow the Hedgehog-esque presence!

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8...genscan000.jpg

Shadow's actually in the game! Also this new guy, but he's some sort of fugly, so no one cares.

Sonic Team, stop character spamming! ARRRGGGH!

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Since he's a light colored hedgehog, his name will be Light then. -_-;

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Since he's a light colored hedgehog, his name will be Light then. -_-;

I have this terrible feeling you're right.

I wouldn't care about the new stylings at all - if the games were actually any good. What's becoming painfully obvious is that Sega is banking entirely on graphics and h4rdcor attitude to draw in the target 10-14 audience, and hoping all the visual flash will mask the complete lack of actual effort going into the game.

It's the same widespread problem as the rest of the game industry: Sega has stopped employing game designers. Their staff now seems to consist entirely of marketing experts and graphics modellers. The game itself has become an afterthought. Continue to make the game cutesy and accessible to kids, but add in that hint of trenchcoat-and-katana badass to draw in the young teens. They're continuing with the same philosophy that crapped out Shadow the Hedgehog.

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Obviously since Shadow is a black hedgehog..why not the same ? lol

It is true that they spend alot of time on Sonic. Im sure there were other games in the sega days that kicked ass.

If they were smart , they would bring back Streets of Rage and Shinobi. Hooked up background graphics and simply classic 2d sidescroller =/.

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(too long to double space, doesn't mean I'm changing my ways, though)

After seeing that image of the three hedgehogs, I'm not too thrilled. They should've kept it as Sonic and Shadow probably. However...there's also the possibility that it could be a fused Sonic and Shadow? Maybe? Eh? Eh? Probably not...

All I have to say is wait until E3 before we start going to conclusions. So far it's just been screenshots. I want to see the actual gameplay...the low quality shit on IGN doesn't cut it for me. All I ask is for a good storyline, good gameplay, and the ability to switch to the Japanese voices. Remember kids, if it's 4Kids and not Ryan Drummond, it sucks.

As far as this Sonic dying a slow and painful death...I won't believe it unless this new Sonic game flops. Until then, I think that's bullshit. The Genesis games were awesome, yes...to this day, my favorite is Sonic 3 & Knuckles. However, I am SO sick of hearing people say "Sonic doesn't work well in 3D. I wish he'd go back to 2D..." WAHHHHH!!! Go buy a frickin Game Boy Advance and get your 2D hard-on there. And while we're on the topic of 2D Sonic, Sonic Advance 1 was awesome. Sonic Advance 2, a little aggrivating trying to find those 7 rings in a stage but it was alright. Sonic Advance 3...forget about it, I didn't even bother to look for the emeralds. Sonic Battle...decent, but I'd prefer a Gamecube/PS2/XBox version. Sonic Pinball Party...again, decent. Almost reminded me of the days of Spinball. Just when I thought the 2D Sonic franchise was going downhill, they bust out Sonic Rush for the DS and save it from doom. While I'm not too fond of the 4Kids voices, the gameplay made up for it. The special stages were easy to find, but not easy to do...which is fine by me. I'll eventually get a PSP and find out how this Sonic Rivals fares.

Back to the 3D stuff...when I first played Sonic Adventure, it was awesome. The transition from 2D to 3D for Sonic was a success, imo, with that game. Um...I'll just skip Sonic Shuffle...decent game, but they could've done better. Sonic Adventure 2 was quite possibly the greatest game, graphically, for Dreamcast. While it didn't have the run around and find levels element like it did in the first Sonic Adventure, it more than made up for storyline and the ability to finally play as Dr. Robotnik. I was a bit skeptical about Shadow at first, but he turned out to be awesome. The Adventure series more than made up for the Sonic games that were released on the Saturn.

Before I go on...I forgot about Sonic CD. Though it was the only Sonic game on Sega CD, it was one of the best from the 16-bit era. Also, that was probably the first time I heard songs with lyrics in a video game.

On to the somewhat decline in the recent Sonic games. Sonic Heroes was alright...while it didn't live up to the Adventure games, imo, it was still a great game. Then, we move on to...Shadow the Hedgehog. While I got to hear Shadow and Sonic say "damn" in English for the first time, that didn't make up for what this game was...slowdown galore. My problem with the game is what everyone else had a problem with...you were too busy shooting enemies instead of running through the level. If one good thing came out of this game, it had to be "I Am" by Crush 40, that song freakin rocks.

Sonic Riders...I'd enjoy the game if the controls weren't too freakin complicated. I dunno, I must be doing something wrong because I keep screwing up and I can't beat Jet (oh, bad idea to introduce those three new characters). Sure, I probably suck at the game...it's alright, I understand.

The point is...there's a trend here. Just when I think Sonic might be going downhill, he comes zooming back up to the top again.

He goes downhill during the Saturn era, but comes zooming back up in the Dreamcast era with the Adventure series.

He goes downhill with Sonic Advance 3, comes zooming back up with Sonic Rush.

He goes downhill with Sonic OVA, comes zooming back up with Sonic X Seasons 1, 2, AND 3.

Now I hope that with this recent downhill with Shadow and Riders, he comes zooming back up with the new Sonic the Hedgehog game.

I can't be sure of anything...I like what I see so far, but once again...I can't be sure of anything until E3. All I have to say is...don't count Sonic out just yet. He's still cool, true blue, with an attitude.

How ya doing, buddy?

Regarding the breakdancing how come Nintendo fans arn't screaming bloody murder at Smash Bros? Capt Falcon, Sheik, Gannondorf, Mario, Luigi and Samus all had breakdancing moves. They were awesome. They pretty much fit Sonic anyway. In fact Sonic 1 was to feature an animated Sonic breakdancing to the games music in a music test section, the animation alone took up most of the space on the cartridge but then someone digitised "Sega" and that HAD to go into the opening, so breakdancing was cut for 2 seconds of words.

How ya doing, buddy?

Hopefully Naka actually tries to make a good game this time. I'm tired of the last great (or decent depending on your point of view) major Sonic game being Sonic Adventure 2. Couple that with the original Sonic Advanture, that'd make only two great Sonic games since 1994's Sonic & Knuckles. I wonder how fast the next Sonic game will be, 60fps will be a necessity though. Playing Sonic Adventures 1 & 2 showed me the difference 30 as opposed to 60fps can make.
Oh and SuperSonic, if you liked Sonic CD's music, you should really check out the link I have on my signature, it has a link to both the US and Japanese Sonic CD games.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Three hedgehogs, huh?

I just really wish they'd stop saying stuff like "going back to the roots" when in reality they aren't.

The new hedgehog doesn't look that great and why is Shadow still in town? It was his time to quit the whole Sonic series once he shamed the himself in Shadow the Hedgehog?

Great. I bet this new hedgehog has some sort of projectile attack or something in an attempt to make him play differently from Sonic and Shadow. Too many hedgehogs.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Super Sonic hit the nail right on the head, although I'd have to disagree with you regarding game choice.

Advance 3 was an opposite try on Advance 2, and it was the best of the three. Rush is Advance 2 minus the suckiness. Thought I'd point that out.

Also. There might be some method to Sega's madness, well at least I hope.

I want to see gameplay videos. The stuff at E3 05 won't cut it.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Three hedgehogs now? Going to add an extra element to all of that Sonadow slash.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Make the 3rd one a neo-conservative Southern Baptist and then we'll have a game character worth mentioning.
We'll see how he pans out, really though I hope they think it through and make him a good character. None of that throwaway shit like Big the Cat and company.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Kaiten

Oh and SuperSonic, if you liked Sonic CD's music, you should really check out the link I have on my signature, it has a link to both the US and Japanese Sonic CD games.

Already have both versions, but thanks for the offer.

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

Super Sonic hit the nail right on the head, although I'd have to disagree with you regarding game choice.

Advance 3 was an opposite try on Advance 2, and it was the best of the three. Rush is Advance 2 minus the suckiness. Thought I'd point that out.

Well, I just thought there was too much damn stuff in Advance 3.

I dunno, maybe I'll give it another shot this summer.

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I loved Sonic Advance 3....and 2....and 1....

I thought they all were fun in their own way. Not to mention I loved the music from them. The Twinkle Snow Theme from Sonic Advance 3 touched my heart.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I better be the one bringing destruction in this one.. Oh wait, forgot about the name change.

I mean, the Good Doctor better be the one destroying cities in this one. And would it really kill Sega to give him a theme song in this one? The last game that actually had one was Sonic Adventure 2, and that was a while ago.

Even with that though, I have what one would call doubts about this game, if one had a very strong penchant for euphemisms, that is.

I've been saying it for years: what sega need is a new, non-hedgehog centered game, say, one where you control a certain genius scientist and dispense destruction with armies of robots and various large machines, such as an hovering vehicle with a slowly swinging giant ball attached to it, eventually leading to your conquest of the world. Or its destruction, your call. And most importantly, finally killing that blue hellspawn!

Then again, Sega would probably butcher that, so maybe I shouldn't make any wishes.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by soniclover

I loved Sonic Advance 3....and 2....and 1....

I thought they all were fun in their own way. Not to mention I loved the music from them. The Twinkle Snow Theme from Sonic Advance 3 touched my heart.

For me it was Chaos Angel 2 theme ^^;. The best evil-serious stage theme i heard in a while..


As for Dr Robotnik/Eggman, I haven't heard a good theme of his ever since Sonic Adventure 1's Militant Missionary theme. SA2's was alright but i didn't expect him to have it like that.

There's nowhere I can't reach.