[General Discussion] Is Sonic losing his speed?

Sonic-Dude that over thought out article almost reminds me of those endless bloody arguements religons have over which is the right version, I'm not going to be technical over something that tries to be deep but isn't, but here's the 2 cents of an old skool sonic fan.

For starters the meanings of the plot changes are just SEGA, fleetway or whatever company involved trying to make the sonic universe more appealing to their target audience. Apart from maybe the comic they have mostly failed at it, but hey we now have about 8 different versions of the sonic universe so full of plot holes it's impossible to link them all together.

Cliche as it may sound but I tend to compare sonic games with how mario has done now. Most of the time his game plots and vocabulary remind me of something out of a carefree pre school cartoon, but at least they get the gameplay right. Sonic tries to take the opposite approach for the most part and they can't even get sonic's image, storyline or universe right.

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Originally Posted by AcerBandit

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Dear god don't even get me started on the sonic fanbase, it's probably half the problem. I think it has to have one of the highest ratios of varied fans in all fandoms, from normal gamers to deluded freaks.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I agree with the thread starter.
Sonic not only lost his speed , he also lost his idenity.
Sonic died for me , but maybe there are way to fix it yet.
(the following are my opinions , not facts )
1.Remove any other charecter besides Tails and eggman,and maybe knuckles.
2.Stop trying to take the franchise in new direction , such as an RPG.
3.stop trying to change sonic. the idea of Sonic was awesome at the start, a blue hedgehog running at the speed of a race car . now it's a "Werehog" .
4.Don't give him weapons. no gun, no nothing.
5.Enough with the stupid sports game.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Here's a guys idea for a new look on Sonic's Story

Spoiler:

Here it is

PS: I think this Sonic story is very original & epic.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Original? Epic? I can't believe I read that shit. It's basically SatAM with a layer of more bullshit and tidbits from the first three games layered on top.

Here's a story for you. On Earth or Mobius or planetwhogivesaflyingshit there are these anthropomorphic critters living and talking like you or I but some of them for whatever reason can run fast, fly, or whatever to an absurd degree. Is there a huge or small human civilization? Like I care. There's Robotnik. He likes experimenting and robotics/machinery. He figures out an easy energy source and brain of sorts for his robots is little critters. This pisses off Sonic so he goes to free the critters and put a stop to Robotnik. Robotnik gets defeated, holds a grudge against Sonic or some crap and looks for power sources be they more critters, chaos emeralds, satanic energy, whatever, so he can continue his experiments and/or take over the world or better the world to how he sees fit. Rinse and repeat.

Sonic and maybe 2 or 3 buds go and run around really fast, beat up some robots or whatever minions, collect some rings and shit, and defeat Robotnik for whatever reason that is convenient for winding down some workings of a plot. The fucking end.

I don't care where Sonic goes and hangs his hat. I don't give a fuck about his animal buddies and their freedom fighting. I don't need a god damn creation story or mythology essay to enjoy makecharactergoforwardfastjumparoundexplodesomethi ngs.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Oh wow that was a whole lot of bullshit. Since when did a video game icon like Sonic need so much backstory. Christmas Land? Sir Charles Hedgehog?
Damn its like, once upon a time Mario was born in say... Plumberland (in a giant mushroom), with his father Lord William the 1st who had sex with a female mushroom. One day baby bowser (born as a bastard child of Duke Mushroom and Turtle Queen) takes revenge by kidnapping Mario (and his adopted brother luigi) for a human/mushroom hybrid sacrifice to take over the world...

Geez, someone has a lot of time on their hands to make this shit up.

Next, this writer will probably attempt to explain how Mario and Sonic met up to do the Olympics together.

Hm I wonder "Is Mario losing his bounciness?"

How ya doing, buddy?

Why haven't they thought of making him faster than he was originally rather than making him lurch like a motherfucker for things like werehog and LIKE A SWORD

I've always had the idea in my head that 'next-gen' Sonic would be almost exactly like the original games, but sped up to the point where everything is a blur. In order to throw a wrench into your speeding, the game would throw enemies/obstacles in your way that this hypothetical game's hud would warn you is incoming and imminent (maybe a small screen would appear in the corner giving you a glimpse of what exactly it is, like say... spikes or a robot about to shoot stuff in your direction). You would use the time between the warning and your actual arrival at that obstacle/enemy to figure out how to get through it or go over it without slowing down to a halt (like a dash-spin or a homing bop on the head). The rest of the time you'd be maneuvering through the course layout, trying to get to/maintain your top speed. All the while figure-8 running, Sonic CD style.

That's really the only way Sonic can be entertaining in 3D. Not that I expect Sega to ever do that, though. Watching Sonic fans try to compromise with themselves on the bleak future of the series is just as gratifying, anyway.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by GB

Why haven't they thought of making him faster than he was originally ... That's really the only way Sonic can be entertaining in 3D. Not that I expect Sega to ever do that, though.

The problem with the solution you gave is that StH then becomes a rhythm game, effectively DDR, but with a blue rodent. I think that a better system, if you were going to attack Sonic stagnation with more speed, would be to use camera tricks and tiers of threats. At low speeds, you would have to deal with normal problems and would have a reduced FoV, but at high speeds, you could instead encompass a lot more, and give Sonic limited invulnerability to low speed problems.

I disagree that speed would be the only way to tackle it as well, since you could instead take the Sonic games down a route like shooters have gone, where the focus of the game becomes the speed of the decisions you have to make, not necessarily the speed with which you move. An Ikaruga style take would be kind of interesting, with swapping of characters based on threats or vulnerabilities.

Also, various attempts have been made at creating all kinds of crazy Mario backstory. Remember the horror of the Super Mario Super Show?




What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I'm not saying faster automatically makes it better. I'm suggesting that, if Sega must change the format (as they seem intent on doing), the route opposite the one they're currently taking seems like it would be more viable.

And the original Sonic titles were about opportune button presses to keep the momentum going. I mean, you could take your time, but it was boring-ass shit.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Dude, don't forget to give some loving to the Super Mario Movie also.

(hell, still waiting for a Sonic the hedgehog LA movie...its gonna happen, I know it)

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Garr

Honest to God, does a Sonic plot need to be any more complex than this? Going back to basics would do the series a HUGE fucking favor, back when it was all about running really fast, bouncing on springs, destroying robotic crabs, collecting rings and wrecking Robotnik's shit.

Now we've got fucking hedgethugs running around with twin gats. What the fuck happened here?

I didn't say wasn't a good idea, buts a start. Can anyone here come up with a better story this one, this is my challenge to everyone here?

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(hell, still waiting for a Sonic the hedgehog LA movie...its gonna happen, I know it)

I've been told its not going to happen until SEGA gets their mess straiten out.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

I didn't say wasn't a good idea, buts a start. Can anyone here come up with a better story this one, this is my challenge to everyone here?

Someone here already did.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

I didn't say wasn't a good idea, buts a start. Can anyone here come up with a better story this one, this is my challenge to everyone here?

Yes. Anyone can come up with a better backstory than that incredibly Asperger's pile of garbage you linked to. It's not hard, you just use your brain and write 3 paragraphs.

Here's the thing, though.

YOU DON'T NEED TO. No one needs to. It is a waste of energy and of bandwidth to sit around coming up with incredibly deep Sonic backstories. Sonic is blue, and he jumps on things really quickly! That's fucking IT!

If you want Sonic to get his speed back, perhaps you should focus less on the backstory and more on the fact that focusing on the story is what's slowing him down in the goddamn first place.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

I didn't say wasn't a good idea, buts a start. Can anyone here come up with a better story this one, this is my challenge to everyone here?


I've been told its not going to happen until SEGA gets their mess straiten out.

I really hope you are joking.

Oh yeah, making such stories is a real WASTE of time. It really isn't necessary to play these games with an extensive knowledge of SONIC THE HEDGEHOG LORE.

These fanmade backstories are pretty much as useful as those youtube poop flicks with Robonik and his Pingas.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

How about a story just about Sonic alone, to get things moving? Before all the other charters came in to play.

FELIPE NO

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

How about a story just about Sonic alone, to get things moving? Before all the other charters came in to play.

Oh my god. Are you even reading the posts we are making? Are you even attempting to understand what is going on in this thread?

Let me say it to you in plain English. Again.

No one here cares about Sonic's backstory. If you want to write one, do it yourself, don't share it with us, and stop posting.

That last part you should probably do regardless.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Sonic-Dude

How about a story just about Sonic alone, to get things moving? Before all the other charters came in to play.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

How ya doing, buddy?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?