[DS] Apollo Justice: Ace Attorney

Although I don't truly agree with JFA being the weakest link (the final case is unique in the series and I actually enjoyed all the other cases as well), I can see why most people feel that way because it does have the most asinine, illogical case in the entire game series in there--and that's quite a feat!

Anyway this game is amazing, it looks fantastic, character design is really good (maybe a little bit weaker than in T&T but we'll see), and I really like the music as well. I also think they turned the difficulty down a notch, which I think is a good idea. I mean, I liked the brain-cracker cases and I'm sure the later cases will be more difficult than the first two, but in JFA and T&T some of the interrogations were just unreasonably tight in my opinion.

Anyway, gotta sleep so I can play more tomorrow. !

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To the Justice for All being the weakest of the three... I have to agree that, that third case was just... horrible. I didn't see any point of it to any part of the Phoenix arc, and, well, it was just annoying to complete.

I really enjoyed the last case though, even though it was a bit difficult (not as difficult as the bonus case in the first game though, in my opinion.)

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You kidding? The last case in part 2 was a PAIN. The logic behind presenting each piece of evidence was so thin that I found myself consulting a guide every five minutes, and the final piece of evidence was just.... argh.

Anyway, I have to agree in general, though, that once you beat Case 2 in Justice For All, you can completely skip to T&T. The fourth case has literally nothing to do with the entire arc, except for revealing that Edgeworth isn't dead (NAW REALLY?).

Case 2, though, has some VERY deep relations to Case 5 in T&T (which also masterfully sets up links to every case except 3 throughout the entire game).

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Thinking about it, JFA was tedious as hell to play. <_<

I liked the last case, but that was about it. Shelly deKiller was one freaky bastard though.

For me, it was bad enough borrowing the Japanese version from a friend and beating it. It was worse to do it again on an English version. <_<

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well for what its worth, I did enjoy the final case of JFA as it was unique in its story progression and how for once,

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your client was indeed guilty which was a very unique twist.

However like most people... 3rd case was horrible -_- especially that dumbass clown.

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Oh man, JFA's third case was horrible! I can't think of anything positive...the clown...the tiger princess person...the weird guy with the doll...the killer wheelchair guy. *dun-dun-dun* Awful cast of characters for that case, and the plot was just so "wtf"-inducing. KILLAR WHEELCHAIR GUY IS BEHIND YOU WATCH OUT!

Like Griffin said, I thought the second case was cool 'cause it tied together nicely with T&T case 5 (which, by the way, may be my very favourite case in the series thus far). The first case was the worst first cases I've ever seen (Maggie's cameo in T&T case 3 made me groan), but I thought the fourth was ok. I don't like it as much as the next person, but it was kinda intense and exhilarating, to a degree.

Plus I hated that Von Karma bitch.

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Originally Posted by The_Griffin

You kidding? The last case in part 2 was a PAIN. The logic behind presenting each piece of evidence was so thin that I found myself consulting a guide every five minutes, and the final piece of evidence was just.... argh.

I all honesty, I can't remember a single thing about the second case. I just can't think of what is was...

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I rather enjoyed the second case in JFA. It was the double-identity case in which the sisters had been injured in a car wreck and one had plastic surgery afterward. It was also the same case in which Mia was framed for the murder in the "Channeling Chamber". It introduced Pearl and also the Fey Urn that turned up again in T&T.

So, at least the second case provided an enormous amount of continuity, unlike the moronic circus case that followed.

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I'm talking about case 4 in JFA. The one with the TV star who hired the assassin Shelly De Killer to kill his rival.

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I am SO roflin' at Stickler's testimony.

"Why did you steal those panties, young man?"

"I saw a magician pull a full-size tire out of those panties! Then a stewpot! Then a frozen chicken! had to do it, your honor! For SCIENCE!"

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I rather enjoyed the second case in JFA. It was the double-identity case in which the sisters had been injured in a car wreck and one had plastic surgery afterward. It was also the same case in which Mia was framed for the murder in the "Channeling Chamber". It introduced Pearl and also the Fey Urn that turned up again in T&T.

So, at least the second case provided an enormous amount of continuity, unlike the moronic circus case that followed.

Pearls, Pearly or whatever wins so much that you have to do the 2nd case on JFA XD Admit it, she's quite adorable.

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Some thoughts of my own:

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It was freaky but in the last case for JFA, just before I found out our client was really guilty I was thinking "How freaky would it be if for once we actually DID have a guilty client"

A few other thoughts:

The second case in JFA was decent. Nothing too complicated but you could tell that there would be more written in the story with Pearl and all.

The third case was predictable. I literally at one point figured out half the case BEFORE it happened with the only exception being Ragina's 'motive' for what she did (which Phoenix explained in about ten seconds). I mean, it was one of those few times where I wished I had more flexability in answers as I could have explained all within about thirty seconds.

THe fourth case was freakin' insane. There were three parts that had so little explanation and were literally just TRIAL AND ERROR. Those are, in order of difficulty:

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1.) The picture where you point to the guy's leg. There was nothing mentioned to give you the slightest clue. It seriously was just randomly picking a spot, losing, restarting again and trying again.

2.) The part in which you are being careful on what to press Shelly on. It was odd because you had to 'Not press further' just to get him to slip up by saying 'Him', THEN press him more afterwards. That seriously was just there to randomly try all possibilities for the conversation.

3.) The very last part where you show a guy a piece of evidence. Believe it or not, while it took me a few tries, this DID have a bit of insight when you had to 'show something to someone who hasn't seen it before'. By eliminating who had seen what, along with who would care about the pieces of evidence, you could narrow the choices down and logically come to a few conclusions.

Case 5 in the first case wasn't THAT difficult except for that stupid...

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Movie. I mean, I dunno how many times I watched and rewinded it. Ugh.

I felt case 4 was actually significant and well done in JFA. I think cases 2 and 4 were the best, with 4 being best over while 2 was obviously done to add more of a back story to Mia, Pearls, etc.

The one thing about these games is once you beat one, you need to take a mental break for a while. The above-mentioned frustrations with Case 4 of JFA is enough to make you insane. Hence, I haven't touched T&T and probably won't for a few weeks at earliest. And then after I beat that, I presume I won't play AJ because of the same reason. And with my luck, PW 5 will be out and it will just never end, haha.

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I'll agree that Justice for All was probably the weakest of the games, but I'd say the cases in there are pretty damn good (with the exception of the circus case that everybody has already pointed out.) The second case was quite good, and the last case was amazing.

I like the music from the first game though. None of the other themes have captured my interest nearly as much as the first game's music.

And yeah, Pearl is almost too cute. If nothing else, play the second and fourth case of PW2. You can read a guide through the third if you don't feel like doing it, but definitely do the fourth one. EPIC case.

Also, your third point on case 4 wasn't random at all. I thought it was pretty obvious. I'll agree with the second point though, that was a bunch of randomness.

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Oh, that's the second case in JFA? I didn't mind it too much. I thought it got really interesting (though vauge as hell evidence wise) near the end.

And I completely agree about the movie. It was the only time I actually had to look at a guide for the first game. Damn that movie. I also had a few other problems in the case, mainly...

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The testimony of Damon (I think his name was), SO infuriating, especially when you had to let him go for a bit. And I bevieve the lucnh lady's (I forgot her name... you know, the one with lunches and a ton of boyfriends?) testimony was also hard to pick apart.

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Originally Posted by mortis

Case 5 in the first case wasn't THAT difficult except for that stupid...

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Movie. I mean, I dunno how many times I watched and rewinded it. Ugh.

Ugh... I remember that one...

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That stupid fucking cloth.

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Re: Phoenix Wright series music:

Tres Bien theme > Steel Samurai theme > everything else > "Congratulation Everybody, Again" (CLOWN!)

I'm assuming I'm speaking for the entire populace.

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I picked up Apollo Justice yesterday, but I'm still working on Trials and Tribulations. I'm only on case 2. As far as Justice for All goes, I found it tedious at some points, especially in case 3.. but I found Acro a much more tolerable character than the others, especially since he was such an unshakable witness on the stand. He was pretty stoic until the end.

JfA isn't such a bad game though; case 2 was pretty cool and case 4 was really really good. Justice for All also has my favorite "Cornered" theme in the series so far.

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I much preferred the first game's questioning theme and cornered theme over the others. The Steel Samurai theme is a given. It's been in every game.

I thought the video in case 5 of the first game was pretty self explanatory. I don't recall having much trouble on that at all.

I'm probably going to go pick up Apollo Justice today, even though I'm only on the second case of Trials and Tribulations.

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Got Apollo Justice from Amazon Thursday, but didn't open it til late last night. I've waited months for the game, but I've just been so busy with other stuff that I couldn't get the time to sit down and appreciate the game (I ended up playing it in bed).

Played through Case 1 and everything looks great so far. I don't think there's ever been a more plot-intensive/confusing case 1 before, though... there are so many unanswered questions.

The animations for the game look really great. I'll probably finish up the game in the next week or so.

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God, I'm loving this game right now. I'm in the final stretch of the 3rd case and just about to start the final part of the trial.

So far, all the cases have been pretty interesting. Better than some of the crap cases Phoenix got.

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I find it to be bullshit that I couldn't find Apollo Justice at the nearby Wal-Mart, Gamestop, or Best Buy.

It sucks living in a somewhat isolated college town.

I was speaking idiomatically.

I feel your pain, Omnislash. I used to have the same problem where I used to live.

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I used to have that problem when I waited two or three weeks before my preordered copy of Trials and Tribulations came in because "not enough people preordered it." Ordering Apollo Justice online fixed that problem.

Of course, Apollo Justice came on launch day at my local game store. Fuck those people, honestly.

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I was expecting them to get the game in on Tuesday. When I found out they weren't shipping until later that day, I reserved it, so I wouldn't have to worry about losing my copy of it to some person who just so happened to get there earlier than me.

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One complaint about case 2:

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wtf... no bullet hole in the noodle stand? there was like barely indication there was anyone inside the stand. The case also doesn't explain how she was able to aim so well at the head.

However I did finish it with ease but still...

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Hm...

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Didn't Atila burst the front part open or something?

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