[Movie] Heroes Season Two Discussion

Wow, what a molasses-slow start to the 2nd season! I mean, sure I understand how they had to "set things up" so-to-speak, but there was absolutely no suspense or drama in this episode. They sucked all the drama out of the two characters getting the "black spot" as it were... I am going to have to wait and see how this season goes; hopefully once they're past this initial season 2 set-up they'll get back to their old story flow which was excellently paced.

At any rate, I still enjoyed the episode but I don't think there is any single episode of season 1 that I didn't enjoy more than this one.

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Just something that amused me this episode:

"Okay class, turn on your bunsen burners... carefully. Now let's talk about Charles Darwin!"

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

lol, yea that was funny, I almost thought she was in a different class.

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Nice eppy, nice pace, not sure if I like how they started though, creating the impression of us having missed a few beforehand. As already mentioned they will probably have an episode detailing what happened after the bomb.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

Maya:

My take was a bit different. The people were all bleeding from the eye sockets, which suggested to me that they'd perhaps had some kind of hemorrhaging. If she were able to manipulate the heartbeat and blood pressure of everyone around her, she could easily cause cerebral and ocular bleeding.

I don't think her brother is a super. I get the feeling that he's normal and it's merely his reassuring presence that helps Maya calm down enough to control her powers. He is the Ando to her Hiro.

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Yeah, since all we know about her ability is that it causes cerebral and ocular bleeding there are several possible causes. Off the top of my head:
- Some kind of fast-acting, localized disease
- Blood pressure manipulation
- Sonic frequency

Plague was just my favorite explanation of the three. Plus, think about what was mentioned between the Company man and Mohinder. If the virus affecting people with abilities mutated to affect the rest of the population, it would become a worldwide epidemic. What easier way for the virus to mutate than someone with a plague-related ability contracting it?

Also, since she killed everyone on that truck without meaning to it makes blood pressure seem to be the least likely of those three. I'm not sure how an ability to alter body chemistry like that could work on so many targets that just happen to be in the same general area at the time.

Oh, and I agree that Alejandro is probably powerless. It seems like he's just there to keep her calm.

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Originally Posted by Grail

Ahah, I already have a theory to this, though it might be wrong.

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I have a good idea that somehow the haitian got to peter after he exploded. How else would he have wound up in a box, with no memory at all of who he is? And furthermore, he has teh Hatian's necklace around his neck.

Somehow I think mama petrelli still wants that bomb to hit New York.

Wow good point! I was wondering why the necklace looked so familiar! Holy smokes that's the most plausible theory yet, and it fits the best since everyone was wondering where the hatian disappeared to in the last few episodes of season 1.

Originally Posted by Tritoch

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I was disappointed by that too, but look at the info Crash posted in the OP of this thread. Since we already know this guy is probably in league with the company, maybe they've found a way to artificially give powers that they've seen before. It's possible that they managed to get a sample of Nathan's DNA and replicate his ability. That would make them much more dangerous.

Ah very true, that thought had not occurred to me at the time of my writing that, and it makes since due to Nathan having been taken by the Company in Season 1.

Originally Posted by Tritoch

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You couldn't tell if he was dead, but there was a second body collapsed on the ground. I highly doubt that the assassin died though. Didn't Takei say that there were only 9 of those extremely powerful guys? He recognized which one he was too. Plus, if this assassin was supposed to be so powerful, I doubt he would just tackle Takei on the edge of a roof without knowing he could survive.

Once again good point. My memory is fuzziest on the details of what Takei said, and such, so I'd have to watch the episode again to get it all. That assassin will pretty much become Ando's number 1 target too.

Also, I used spoiler tags since I literally posted my message right after the show ended and figured there might still be folks in the other U.S. timezones as well as international timezones that were waiting for the show to come on, so I figured I'd air on the side of caution. If they aren't needed though, I'll stop using them.

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I've already lost the plot for season 2. I take it a plague is around killing off the heroes? What's happening between the 'company'? I get lost very easily while watching things

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Good theory about the necklace. Makes sense.

As for replicating DNA, I don't recall Nathan ever being captured. He was about to be, but flew away.

Takei said there are nine left, including him and Angela. Adding the deceased Linderman, Pa Petrelli, and Duveaux.. makes 12.

And BTW, there was only one body on the blood splattered pavement, Nakamura's.
How come they don't even put up a small fight? ..just grab and fall off the building. Same thing happened with round one of Sylar vs. Peter.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Nathan wasn't necessarily captured, but he did meet with Noah's boss quite a bit last season. Who's to say they didn't get a small sample then?

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Originally Posted by Tritoch

Nathan wasn't necessarily captured, but he did meet with Noah's boss quite a bit last season. Who's to say they didn't get a small sample then?

I think a more realistic approach would be that Angela (mommy petrelli) would have easily been able to secure a blood sample of her son's after he had been in a car accident of sorts.

If anything that is when/if they ever took a sample from Nathan, I'm betting

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A compelling theory:

Spoiler:

Hiro, having gone back and met Takezo Kensei, realizes that the stories he'd been told as a child were false, that Kensei was a petty con-artist. Disillusioned, Hiro takes on the responsibity of fulfilling the legendary acts himself, with Kensei along for the ride. At some point, Kensei reveals his own power - limited immortality - and Hiro realizes the scope of how both their abilities could work together. (It's by this that Kensei could theoretically cut out his own heart to save another, yet survive.)

Eventually, Hiro brings reform to Kensei, who rededicates himself toward working for the benefit of mankind - based largely upon the stories about himself as told by Hiro. Satisfied that he has caused history to maintain its sway, Hiro returns to the present.

Fast forward to the mid-20th century. Kensei is alive and well and is now working alongside Linderman, the Petrellis, Deveaux, Kaito Nakamura, and others. As their philosophies collide, Kensei is angered by the manipulations and greed shown by some - traits that do not mesh with his reformed sense of purpose. Kensei goes into hiding and watches the group from a distance. It is at this time that he sees Kaito have a son, the tme-traveler he met centuries prior - but Kensei says nothing.

Fast forward to the present day. The Linderman Group's attempt at destroying New York has failed and its supporters are struggling to find new direction. Angered by their cavalier attitude toward humanity, Kensei decides that the plot's creators must perish - Angela for her central role, Kaito for knowing yet actively doing little to prevent it.

Takezo Kensei is the man who kills Kaito Nakamura and plans to kill Angela Petrelli. For having killed the elder Nakamura, Kensei and Hiro will become rivals.


A fun twist would be having the blacksmith's daughter hook up with Hiro and unknowingly conceive a child after Hiro returns to the present. This child would bear the genetic code and, in effect, Hiro would become his own great-great-great-great (and so on) grandfather. [/Futurama]

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Originally Posted by speculative

Wow, what a molasses-slow start to the 2nd season! I mean, sure I understand how they had to "set things up" so-to-speak, but there was absolutely no suspense or drama in this episode. They sucked all the drama out of the two characters getting the "black spot" as it were... I am going to have to wait and see how this season goes; hopefully once they're past this initial season 2 set-up they'll get back to their old story flow which was excellently paced.

At any rate, I still enjoyed the episode but I don't think there is any single episode of season 1 that I didn't enjoy more than this one.

Yeah the episode was a little dry compare to the first season, but keep in mind, when the creators were asked what Season 2 is about, its no longer about Normal people doing extrodinary things, its extrodinary people trying to do normal things.

Its suppose to give a little of what The Incredibles have to go through when they have to try to be normal. Except this is abit darker in tone. That dinner table scene was just like the Dinner scene in Incredibles to me, cept alot of more awkward, which makes it even funnier.

And I also heard there IS gonna be an episode that flashes back to right after the bomb, entitled "Four Monthes ago", from HeroeWiki's Spoilers section.

And that is one cool theory, Crash London.

I was speaking idiomatically.

That new kid is such a stalker. There's short little comic about him (doesn't reveal much). The link to it is in my previous post.

Oh yeah, what's up with Two-Face/Nathan?
Somehow I felt that Candace was around.

But.. a lot of things could have happened during the 4 months gap that could explain a lot of things.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by striped phantom

That new kid is such a stalker. There's short little comic about him (doesn't reveal much). The link to it is in my previous post.

From the way it looks, he is just loving the power that he has been given.

Shit, I wish I could fly...and I don't really think he was stalking Claire, but more or less trying to confirm if she was 'special' too.

That, and earlier people were saying that this new kid has two puncture wounds in his neck, and COULD be working for the company...so...he might be keeping tabs on her or something.

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Also to add some curiosity about what happened during the 4 months gap, anyone remember the scene with Peter 'cuffed in the shipping container with the Haitian's necklace?

When the guy was about to attack Peter, he countered. There was a bright light and crackling sounds. Definitely it wasn't TK. It could be Ted's powers.. or...

spoiler about future character.. who Crash already mentioned in the first post ;P:

or.. sometime during those 4 months, Peter came into contact with Kristen Bell's character "Elle" who is rumored to have electric powers.

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Everyone's passing it off as some kind of electricity, but when I saw it, I thought it was just the flashlight the guy was holding. You know, the light hitting the camera, and the flashlight being dropped, or tossed at the side of the container when he was thrown. I thought it was just TK, to be honest.

Then again, who knows? There IS a four-month gap there.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

David Anders as Takezo Kensei is pretty cool. He was one of my favorites on Alias (Sark, for those who watched the show). I hope he has a substantial role throughout the season. Give me even more reason to watch this show (as if that's even needed!)

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Yeah for a second I didn't realize it was Sark till it hit me lol. That guy is a great actor and I hope we see more of him.

Good theory about the Haitian, makes perfect sense now that its been mentioned.

They have definitely laid out the plot quite well in this first episode. Remember guys, this is the first episode. The first episode of Heroes was rather blah as well, I only got into it after the 4th episod if I recall.

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Another thing I'd like to point out is at the beginning of the show, the first episode, it seemed as though it was giving some small flash fowards into what everyone was doing still. I mean immediately you knew that Matt was alive, Nathan was alive so forth and so on, and even though everyone had a strong feeling that most were going to live, there was another thing that puzzled me.

In that small frame of time, Nathan can be seen standing, fully shaved, but still with long hair, on top of the roof of the Deveux building, and what seems to be ashes all around, and the place looks pretty roughed up. I'm wondering if this is going to play a big part later on, and perhaps something still does go Boom.

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Oh, I'm pretty sure there are still forces working to make the boom happen.

I was speaking idiomatically.

More on Peter 'zapping' the guy in the container:

Ted Sprague wasn't just radioactive, he could do EMP blasts too, as we learned in season one when he, Parkman, and Bennet escaped from the Company. Since this is the last power we saw Peter used, maybe that's just the 'most active' one, seeing as he lost his memory. Or had it taken, whichever the case may be.

Just more speculation, as always.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It's a new power, that we don't know of yet. I guess we'll know soon or when they backtrack to those 4 months.

and the proof.. If you watch the episode at nbc.com with the commentaries (with Tim Kring, Jeph Loeb, and Jack Coleman), during that zapping scene Kring says "Wha? how did he do that?.. I've never seen that power before.." and then Loeb confirms, "Nope."

Anyways regarding Nathan, what if the shot of his skin being all fucked up is his actual skin and there is some illusion to give him normal skin? There was that explosion..

Instead of all the Heroes parting ways and living their own lives, I think it'd be interesting if they all had planned something that we don't know of yet. Maybe the Bennetts, Nathan and Peter, Haitian, Mohinder, etc are all doing their part in bringing the Company down.

Also, I dunno if you guys remember Hana. Maybe her character wasn't popular enough to keep around. But the last we heard of her was last season when she helped Noah Bennett take down the Company's satellite. There were two ways for them to track our Heroes, their satellite and Molly. And now Hana is somewhere researching random stuff about Central America and some of Kensei.
link to Hana's blog

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

Also, I dunno if you guys remember Hana. Maybe her character wasn't popular enough to keep around. But the last we heard of her was last season when she helped Noah Bennett take down the Company's satellite. There were two ways for them to track our Heroes, their satellite and Molly. And now Hana is somewhere researching random stuff about Central America and some of Kensei.

Spoiler:

Hana Gitelman is dead. Most of the comics from this past summer addressed Hana's involvement in taking down the Company. She managed to steal a ride aboard a spacecraft, enough to get close to a certain space satellite. But when Hana tried to manipulate the data in it, she fell victim to a specially designed trap and somehow became infected with a computer virus. She leaps onto the satellite and burns up during re-entry.

It's speculated that while Hana's physical body is no more, her consciousness still persists within the internet.

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I just skimmed the thread so I dont know if anyone has said this or not. But judging from the comics it sounds like that mexican girl's "power" is being able to host a deadly virus.

A virus that could be harvested and used to perhaps create a cure or discover a way to make cells live longer. It's also a virus that could completely wipe out all of mankind. But it doesn't look like it has anything to do with the virus targeting those with special abilities. D:

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Originally Posted by Shonos

I just skimmed the thread so I dont know if anyone has said this or not. But judging from the comics it sounds like that mexican girl's "power" is being able to host a deadly virus.

A virus that could be harvested and used to perhaps create a cure or discover a way to make cells live longer. It's also a virus that could completely wipe out all of mankind. But it doesn't look like it has anything to do with the virus targeting those with special abilities. D:

I suppose I really need to go back and read the comics sometime. It's really annoying how they have characters like Hana that play an important role in the story, but I know nothing about them because I just want to watch the show. Nice to know that it's looking like I was right about her having a virus power, though. Much cooler than the other possibilities.

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